Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Marvel united]

Deadpool is the future. It makes sense for him to be a tension breaker. It's not like Infinity War where the movie ended on an extremely sad, pessimistic uncertainty for the future. Endgame will have our heroes triumph even if a sacrifice has to be made. So it's not out of place at all for an optimistic ending.

Either way, the Russos said the deal was finalized a bit too late... But who knows. The Swarma scene was shot a week in advance. Reynolds can put on a DP suit and fly out to Studio in under 2 days

 

[Detective Conan]

Deadpool is the future. It makes sense for him to be a tension breaker. It's not like Infinity War where the movie ended on an extremely sad, pessimistic uncertainty for the future. Endgame will have our heroes triumph even if a sacrifice has to be made. So it's not out of place at all for an optimistic ending.

Either way, the Russos said the deal was finalized a bit too late... But who knows. The Swarma scene was shot a week in advance. Reynolds can put on a DP suit and fly out to Studio in under 2 days

Disagree. A Deadpool post-credit sequence, is again, a massive pendulum swing from the feeling that Marvel would want you to leave the movie with.

I don't want to be laughing at the end of the Endgame I want to sad but hopeful for the future and you want to preserve the gravitas of the type of story they're telling. They're better off putting a DP post-credit sequence in a much more light-hearted movie like Far From Home than doing it with a serious finale of Endgame, imo.

 

[Dasher10]

I really want a teen Marvel universe on Disney+. New Mutants, Ms. Marvel, Power Pack, Champions and Avengers Academy which would all cross over.

 

[psylockolussus]

I really want a teen Marvel universe on Disney+. New Mutants, Ms. Marvel, Power Pack, Champions and Avengers Academy which would all cross over.

After seeing Runaways and Cloak & Dagger, I wouldn't be up for it. And something like New Mutants and Avengers Academy shouldn't be done under a tv budget imo.

 

[Dasher10]

After seeing Runaways and Cloak & Dagger, I wouldn't be up for it. And something like New Mutants and Avengers Academy shouldn't be done under a tv budget imo.

The issue is that a New Mutants cast would age out of their roles by the time they'd complete a trilogy and it would be time to cast replace them with the Generation X cast.

 

[psylockolussus]

The New Mutants can be students in the first two films then be adults and join the other teams by the end of the third film. And as long as they don't cast actors that look like they are already pushing 30 then I don't see any problem.

Thing is if you watch Runaways and Cloak/Dagger, most likely they would be limited in a lot of things despite having more screentime than 1 featured film. The action, the vfx, the power displays and they would limit it the entire season to just 1 or 2 villains. And thats just not eXciting. They also shouldn't do X-Men Jr. and Avengers Jr. without the bigger names showing up.

 

[Moridin]

I'm kind of baffled at how some folks are acting like Feige saying Marvel has a 5 year plan means that plan is completely set in stone and can't/won't change, given what happened with Phase 3 from the announcement in October 2014 to what it actually turned out to be.

Within a few months of this announcement they'd added Spidey in, pushing back Ragnarok, BP & CM.
In Oct 2015 they added Ant-Man 2, pushing back CM again.
A few months after that, they removed Inhumans.
And other dates were shuffled around within that.

These plans are flexible folks. Any film not currently in active development - i.e. any film that doesn't have a director officially signed on - can be pushed back a few months to make room for F4 & XM.
Right now the films definitely happening are -> Black Widow, Eternals, DS2, BP2 & Shang Chi, which perhaps takes us up to Nov 2021 if no extra dates are added in 2020 & 2021.

 

[Detective Conan]

And I'm baffled that people keep citing the Spider-Man deal as an example of what Marvel could do with how fast they're willing to change gears from what the originally planned to do a quick turnaround on an X-Men or Fantastic Four film.

Spider-Man isn't that good a comparison considering that the reason they shifted the release dates to make room for him in the first place was because they were essentially forced to by Sony(who wasn't willing to wait) to do so. That just isn't going to be the same case with the formerly Fox-licensed Marvel characters like X-Men & Fantastic Four where Marvel can take all the time in the world because they own the rights completely meaning that they don't have to work to the schedule demands of another studio. That's a big difference. This is a fact that a lot of people seem to be missing whenever they bring up Spider-Man in this context.

Of course that doesn't preclude plans from changing but it won't be as soon as some are expecting/hoping. I suspect once they start getting into four movies they might be able to fit a FF film in there somewhere but I still expect we won't see X-Men or FF until the last half of Phase 4. Who knows? Fantastic Four could end Phase 4(wouldn't that be kind of fitting?) and X-Men starts off Phase 5. Though I still think both X-Men and Fantastic Four both come in Phase 4.

 

[Darkprime]

So I just saw that Ryan Coogler is rewriting the Spam Jam 2 script. Does this mean Black Panther 2 is further out than we thought? Ryan Coogler Rewriting Space Jam 2; Shoe Contracts Limiting Casting Options

 

[Dasher10]

The New Mutants can be students in the first two films then be adults and join the other teams by the end of the third film. And as long as they don't cast actors that look like they are already pushing 30 then I don't see any problem.

Thing is if you watch Runaways and Cloak/Dagger, most likely they would be limited in a lot of things despite having more screentime than 1 featured film. The action, the vfx, the power displays and they would limit it the entire season to just 1 or 2 villains. And thats just not eXciting. They also shouldn't do X-Men Jr. and Avengers Jr. without the bigger names showing up.

Then they'll just be extras. They won't get character development as teens. I say put them in a separate TV series with Emma Frost teaching each new generation before they grow up to join the X-Men, X-Factor or X-Force.

The Hawkeye series is already introducing Kate Bishop there so it looks like Champions/Young Avengers is headed to Disney+.

 

[Miles Gonzalo]

Newbie to the forum and interesting reading everyones opinions on what could/should happen in phase 4.

With the way the modern world is I'd expect more diverse movies every so often, look at black panther, captain marvel being the first MCU movie where a female has had the lead role.

Firstly I would not be surprised if P4 builds up to an A-Force movie happening at some point at a later date (possibly the beginning of P5. Evangeline Lilly has already championed this to some degree.

Off the top of my head we've had The Wasp, Valkyrie, Scarlett Witch, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Shuri, Okoye and we'll probably see most of these in phase 4. An A-Force movie would politically be approved of and it would be the ideal opportunity to add a mutant (and She-Hulk) to the roster before the eventual X-Men movie.

I also see that Chris Hemsworth has appeared on a chat show over the last couple of days stating that if they (MCU) want him then he is more than happy to stay on to do another movie.

An ideal world for me

P4

Spiderman Far From Home (2019)
Black Widow (2020)
The Eternals (2020)
Black Panther 2 (2020)
Thor & Valkyrie (2021)
Doctor Strange 2 (2021)
Ant Man & The Wasp 2 (2021)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2022)
Captain Marvel 2 (2022)
The New Avengers (2022)

First Year of P5

Fantastic 4 (2023)
Moon Knight (2023)
A-Force (2023)

 

[Yowza]

I think it's safe to sum up as 6 fresh ongoing franchises with an upcoming sequel or sequels (Dr. Strange, Antman, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Gaurdians, and Spiderman) and 3 new properties (eternals, black widow, shang-chi). That about sums up the whole 5 year thing.

The main mystery I think is the amount of crossover potential (with older, still ongoing, or newer franchises maybe) along with a potential event film mid-way through or at the end of this period to usher in films for the next generation.

 

[psylockolussus]

Then they'll just be extras. They won't get character development as teens. I say put them in a separate TV series with Emma Frost teaching each new generation before they grow up to join the X-Men, X-Factor or X-Force.

The Hawkeye series is already introducing Kate Bishop there so it looks like Champions/Young Avengers is headed to Disney+.

How do you know theyll be eXtras if they are headlining a New mutants movie, like as if the movies acknowledge the shows so much that its better to be utilized in a tv show. I didn't say star Storm, and the bigger names in a New Mutants film. But obviously the stars who are playing the bigger characters would likely appear in the film for a cameo or special role. That can't be guaranteed in the tv shows especially with Marvel Tv's track record.

And there's a reason why they are introducing Kate Bishop in a freaking tv show instead in a film that would be seen by more people.

 

[8ulk87]

Well my take on the next MCU films is this.

From what we know and can guess.

After Spider-Man Far From Home later this year we ll get.

Black Widow probably in 2020.
The Eternals in 2020 or 2021
Shang-Chi in 2020 or 2021
Doctor Strange in 2020 or 2021

Black Panther 2 in 2021 or 2022
Captain Marvel 2 in 2021 or 2022
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 in 2021 or 2022
Avengers 5 in 2022 or 2023
Namor in 2022 or 2023

Deadpool 3 will probably happen (a business decision given the boxoffice numbers) in 2021 or 2022 and will likely be its own thing.

No other film is known to be in production or planned.

No news for Ant-Man 3.
No news for Thor 4.
Spider-Man is heading back to Sony unfortunately (unless Marvel and Sony make a new deal).

X-Men & Fantastic 4 wont come until 2023 or later. Although some of their characters might appear in the movies mentioned above in a small role or cameo.

 

[psylockolussus]

We aren't getting a Namor film until its tied to Universal.

 

[Iceman]

Newbie to the forum and interesting reading everyones opinions on what could/should happen in phase 4.

With the way the modern world is I'd expect more diverse movies every so often, look at black panther, captain marvel being the first MCU movie where a female has had the lead role.

Firstly I would not be surprised if P4 builds up to an A-Force movie happening at some point at a later date (possibly the beginning of P5. Evangeline Lilly has already championed this to some degree.

Off the top of my head we've had The Wasp, Valkyrie, Scarlett Witch, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Black Widow, Captain Marvel, Shuri, Okoye and we'll probably see most of these in phase 4. An A-Force movie would politically be approved of and it would be the ideal opportunity to add a mutant (and She-Hulk) to the roster before the eventual X-Men movie.

I also see that Chris Hemsworth has appeared on a chat show over the last couple of days stating that if they (MCU) want him then he is more than happy to stay on to do another movie.

An ideal world for me

P4

Spiderman Far From Home (2019)
Black Widow (2020)
The Eternals (2020)
Black Panther 2 (2020)
Thor & Valkyrie (2021)
Doctor Strange 2 (2021)
Ant Man & The Wasp 2 (2021)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (2022)
Captain Marvel 2 (2022)
The New Avengers (2022)

First Year of P5

Fantastic 4 (2023)
Moon Knight (2023)
A-Force (2023)

Welcome! That list is fine with me although you would have to add Shang Chi (another diverse movie), and hopefully we start getting hints of mutants soon after.

 

[8ulk87]

We aren't getting a Namor film until its tied to Universal.

Marvel will get him back eventually and they can still use him in other movies like the situation with Hulk.

Marvel cant make a stand alone Hulk movie but can use them in other MCU films.

 

[Silvermoth]

It’s interesting to think before we know it we’ll be talking in the MCU phase 5 thread

 

[Dasher10]

IMO, it's going to be

Black Widow and Doctor Strange in 2020. Those are likely a lock.

Spider-Man 3, Black Panther 2, Eternals and Shang Chi in 2021. I'm calling four films since Sony will want a Spider-Man film every 2 years and nothing is hitting in Q3 but Sony have to be the ones to call the date.

Three films in 2022 which I'm drawing blanks on but one will most likely be Captain Marvel 2. It won't be Guardians unless they add a Q4 date for a fourth film but Marvel haven't done so yet. Guardians 3 will likely start shooting in 2021 and aside from Eternals, Guardians 3 is supposed to set up future cosmic films. They may not start until 2022 since Gunn may want to write in characters he got from Fox like the Shi'Ar, the Brood and Darkhawk. I can't see Captain Marvel 2 going cosmic since the most likely arcs to be adapted are Live Kree or Die from Kurt Busiek's Avengers run or War of the Marvels from Brian Reed's Ms. Marvel. Both of those stories take place on Earth. Possibly Ant-Man 3 as a second film if he survives Endgame. I can't even imagine what the third is. Maybe Champions/Young Avengers to give Cassie something to do and keep Kate Bishop in the MCU? That and Thunderbolts. That's the only thing which makes sense.

Guardians 3 in 2023. No release date has been set for this year. There are rumors of Spider-Man 4 happening but I'm not sure if Marvel and Sony will renew their deal. I feel like we'll get 2-4 films this year but Guardians 3 is the only one which I'm certain of. Buckycap is going to Disney+ so I think we can rule out a Captain America sequel. It'll be too soon to recast Hemsworth or Downey. Unless Universal give up the Hulk or Namor rights, I legit can't call what these will be other than A-Force which has been pitched but never confirmed. I think we'll only get those two films this year unless something happens with Universal soon. As in within the next year.

Feige said that he has a five-year plan without the Fantastic Four or X-Men for Phase 4. Avengers 5 will happen. We'll likely get some recasts and if characters die in Endgame, bring them back through time travel and alternate universes since Kang makes the most sense to be the villain. I have no idea what other films will come this year. It may be a year with only a single film since Kang requires a massive cast to fight him. That's unless the Fantastic Four and X-Men are brought in at the last second.

So I'm guessing

2020 - Black Widow and Doctor Strange (Black Widow in May, Doctor Strange in November)
2021 - Spider-Man 3, Black Panther 2, Eternals and Shang Chi
2022 - Captain Marvel 2, Champions (maybe), Thunderbolts (maybe)
2023 - Guardians 3, A-Force (Maybe), Spider-Man 4 (maybe)
2024 - Avengers 5

Unless Ant-Man survives Endgame and winds up taking a 2022 slot in which case, we'll get Thunderbolts in 2024 as a second film.

 

[CaptainWagner]

There's no way The Eternals doesn't release in 2020. We have two castings, confirmed complete script, a production start date and the director was at the Endgame red carpet. The only question about 2020 is if it will be Black Widow, Eternals AND Strange 2 or if Strange is 2021.

 

[psylockolussus]

They only have 2 dates for 2020.

 

[AvengerPA]

They had three dates, but that shrank to two dates when Guardians 3 was postponed. I think they will restore the third date and place Eternals in late summer. Doctor Strange will be moved up to November 2020.

 

[Darkprime]

They only have 2 dates for 2020.

Ive seen some speculation on twitter that they might replant a third flag in 2020 possibly in August. For Eternals.

I could see 2020 being. Black Widow, Eternals and either Doctor Strange 2 or Shang-Chi. I dont think Marvel will give up a third movie so easily. I think they could surprise everyone at the Phase 4 announcement and reveal a third movie for 2020. The original reports on Shang-Chi said it was being fast tracked so maybe thats the Guardians 3 replacement?

 

[psylockolussus]

That would be great if they can squeeze Ds2 in 2020 as long as it won't rushed.

I would be surprised if 2020 is all new franchises.

 

[Dasher10]

This song is represents who needs to be the next big bad after Thanos. Introduce him in Black Panther 2.