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[metaphysician]

I watched a bit of JJ season 2, but only got a few episodes in. It seemed to have the same "overly thin pacing" problem as s1, only without the compelling villain, and with Jessica kind of devolving into worse behavior. It just wasn't very compelling.

 

[psylockolussus]

All NetfliX Marvel series could have been trimmed to siX 40 minute episodes, and it would have been more engaging and rewatchable.

I'm glad MCU shows are much shorter in comparison.

 

[metaphysician]

All NetfliX Marvel series could have been trimmed to siX 40 minute episodes, and it would have been more engaging and rewatchable.

I'm glad MCU shows are much shorter in comparison.

They could, but IMO most of them would have benefited more from keeping the same length, but inserting 3-5 standalone episodes per season that are not directly tied to the central season story arc. The length was beneficial in terms of giving the audience more time with the characters, it just hurt the pacing of the story because they wanted to only have one. Note that the Disney+ shows have so far all revolved around known and established characters; shorter run time may prove more an issue once we start focusing on entirely new heroes.

( Ex: imagine JJ season 1, only instead of introducing the Purple Man in episode 1, they spend the first 2-3 episodes on standalone super private eye stories to introduce Jessica and her life, only *then* starting the Hope story and bringing Killgrave into play. Later, during one of the lulls, they have her do another standalone investigation rather than spinning her wheels. Doing this, you might be able to entirely avoid one entire stage of "the heroes have to repeat capturing Killgrave". )

 

[psylockolussus]

Actually when NetfliX first announced Daredevil, I thought it would feature villain of the week and with a big bad overarching the season; as movies are limited to villains they can feature in 1 film; and we have to wait years for the sequel to see another villain. But that didn't turn out to be the case. I thought they would really dive into Daredevil's Rogues gallery.

It felt like they stretched 1 storyline for an entire 13 episode run, with some recurring guests like Stick in between the season or villains that would be killed off early like the one in Luke Cage.

Disney+ is doing the same approach as well but with fewer episodes and shorter runtime.

 

[spidercide89]

Actually when NetfliX first announced Daredevil, I thought it would feature villain of the week and with a big bad overarching the season; as movies are limited to villains they can feature in 1 film; and we have to wait years for the sequel to see another villain. But that didn't turn out to be the case. I thought they would really dive into Daredevil's Rogues gallery.

I was hoping for the same thing. I guess the budgets for the Netflix shows didn't allow for it...

Thankfully the Disney+ shows aren't as constrained by budget. If we ever get a Disneyfied DD show it will hopefully dig deeper into his Rogues Gallery.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was hoping for the same thing. I guess the budgets for the Netflix shows didn't allow for it...

Thankfully the Disney+ shows aren't as constrained by budget. If we ever get a Disneyfied DD show it will hopefully dig deeper into his Rogues Gallery.

It'd be like WandaVision, Loki and Falcon/Winter Soldier

Maybe 1 to 3 villains like in NetfliX shows but with recurring characters or guests from the mcu movies.

I don't think we are going to get "villain or case of the week" like in the cartoons and comiXs.

 

[AverageMan]

Hi all,
I don't confess to being the biggest Marvel comics fan, so can someone tell me what the Illuminati storyline is & what supposed leaks have happened to suggest this is plan for a future film?

 

[Bayne]

The Illuminati were a group of the smartest and most influential heroes in the Marvel universe who banded together only on very rare occasions to make decisions that needed to be made for the good of the human race which they didn't think anyone else would be in a position to make.

As far as I recall they included Prince Namor the sub-mariner, King Black Bolt of the Inhumans, Reed Richards, Professor Xavier and Iron man. Black Panther was invited but told them all it was a terrible idea and they should all go home and forget they'd even discussed it.

This was all introduced as a retcon - the Illuminati only first appeared sometime in the 2000s leading up to the World War Hulk storyline, but they were supposed to have originally banded together back in the silver age and had repeated but infrequent meetings since then that involved various major historical events in the marvel universe. In the end, they were (partially) directly responsible for World War Hulk because they voted to exile Bruce Banner from Earth due to his inability to control himself.

As for what leaks would suggest them coming, I don't really know of anything off hand other than the persistent rumors that Namor will be introduced in Wakanda Forever.

 

[Venom 1988]

Hi all,
I don't confess to being the biggest Marvel comics fan, so can someone tell me what the Illuminati storyline is & what supposed leaks have happened to suggest this is plan for a future film?

Regarding the leaks... potential/alleged Multiverse of Madness spoilers

Spoiler

At some point in the movie it seems Strange is going to run across the Illuminati. However unlike the comics, this version of the team is Multiversal and consist of people from different universes. The alleged roster is Charles Xavier, Captain Carter, Balder the Brave, Monica Rambeau and Mordo. On the surface, it seems fake but a lot of reputable scoopers have been backing it, so take that for what you will.

And allegedly there's some sort of Illuminati project in the works, but whether thats an actual MCU version or Multiverse version remains to be seen.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hollywood crews say they will strike next week if there is no agreement

If a strike happens, could this lead to another delays?? I still can remember the 2007-2008 writers strike which affected a lot of Tv shows.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I need to watch Civil War again to find out of any of the Avengers questioned how enforceable the Sokovia Accords would be to someone like Thor. If nobody questioned it, then it shows a huge flaw in the Accords and shows how weak it really is in the MCU.

 

[Chris B]

I'm curious to see whether or not they'll reveal the remaining three films for 2023 at D23 next month. Maybe if we're lucky they'll reveal the four 2024 films that Marvel had scheduled recently.

 

[Bayne]

I need to watch Civil War again to find out of any of the Avengers questioned how enforceable the Sokovia Accords would be to someone like Thor. If nobody questioned it, then it shows a huge flaw in the Accords and shows how weak it really is in the MCU.

Thor isn't a citizen of any nation on earth, nor entirely opposed to following the rules of Earth once he learns about them, so it really isn't that relevant. Hulk would be a better question, though at the time he was long since MIA so possibly presumed dead. The only major known issues at the time would've been Vision and Abomination. And Vision signed the accords and Abomination had either made some kind of deal willingly or else authorities somehow did find a way to keep him under control for almost a decade since TIH.

Anyway, the central figurehead of the accords was Tony Stark. A man who can make Hulkbuster armor can make Thorbuster armor if he absolutely has to.

 

[Venom 1988]

I'm curious to see whether or not they'll reveal the remaining three films for 2023 at D23 next month. Maybe if we're lucky they'll reveal the four 2024 films that Marvel had scheduled recently.

It's Disney Plus day next month not D23. The next D23 is scheduled September 2022.

Given that it's Disney Plus day, I imagine we're solely going to see shows and movies that debut on the streaming service, rather than any theatrical movies. I would say a Ms. Marvel trailer is a safe bet and maybe some sneak peaks for She-Hulk and Moon Knight after that. Maybe brief overview of what's coming in 2022, like maybe an official announcement for Werewolf by Night. Other than that, we're probably not gonna see anything else.

 

[psylockolussus]

It's Disney Plus day next month not D23. The next D23 is scheduled September 2022.

Given that it's Disney Plus day, I imagine we're solely going to see shows and movies that debut on the streaming service, rather than any theatrical movies. I would say a Ms. Marvel trailer is a safe bet and maybe some sneak peaks for She-Hulk and Moon Knight after that. Maybe brief overview of what's coming in 2022, like maybe an official announcement for Werewolf by Night. Other than that, we're probably not gonna see anything else.

I don't know where you got your wrong information.

Destination D23 Presented by Topps - D23

That clearly states D23 is happening on November 19 to 21 of 2021.

While Disney+ day is only happening for 1 day (November 12) to commemorate the 1st anniversary for Disney+.

 

[Venom 1988]

I don't know where you got your wrong information.

Destination D23 Presented by Topps - D23

That clearly states D23 is happening on November 19 to 21 of 2021.

While Disney+ day is only happening for 1 day (November 12) to commemorate the 1st anniversary for Disney+.

Um, the D23 website lol
D23 Expo - D23

What you posted, "Destination D23" isn't the traditional D23. I think this was done since the normal D23 was pushed back due to COVID. But yea I guess its possible they may have some announcements but I imagine they'll be saving the bigger ones for next year.

 

[psylockolussus]

Um, the D23 website lol
D23 Expo - D23

What you posted, "Destination D23" isn't the traditional D23. I think this was done since the normal D23 was pushed back due to COVID. But yea I guess its possible they may have some announcements but I imagine they'll be saving the bigger ones for next year.

September 2023is a long time. Movies like Wakanda 4Ever, Indy 5, Madness of the Multiverse and Love and Thunder would have been out by then.

And I doubt they aregonna reveal / showcase those in D+ day, when none of those films are direct to streaming movies. The trailer for The Marvels would have been out as well before September.

Destination 23 or whatever the D means, is still a 3 day event by Disney.

 

[Venom 1988]

September 2023is a long time. Movies like Wakanda 4Ever, Indy 5, Madness of the Multiverse and Love and Thunder would have been out by then.

And I doubt they aregonna reveal / showcase those in D+ day, when none of those films are direct to streaming movies. The trailer for The Marvels would have been out as well before September.

Destination 23 or whatever the D means, is still a 3 day event by Disney.

whats your point? Doesn't mean they are guaranteed to show any of that stuff. Maybe Strange since that's March but I doubt we'll see the others.

 

[metaphysician]

I need to watch Civil War again to find out of any of the Avengers questioned how enforceable the Sokovia Accords would be to someone like Thor. If nobody questioned it, then it shows a huge flaw in the Accords and shows how weak it really is in the MCU.

I am pretty sure it wasn't coincidental that nobody tried to push the Accords until after Thor had been gone from Earth for a while. He's barely willing to follow orders from his own family and the culture he actually belongs to, he's not going to accept absolute obedience to a bunch of leaders for whom he has no respect, giving orders that are at best incredibly stupid. At which point everyone would have to acknowledge "We can't actually *force* him to do much of anything, and even if we could, he's the prince of an extraterrestrial society that is ridiculously more powerful than us."

Or, the Accords were a bad idea from day one, because the whole reason for wanting them ( the end of the strategic supremacy of nation-states on Earth ), is the reason why they couldn't ever be enacted ( because in order to enact them coercively you *need* strategic supremacy ).

 

[psylockolussus]

whats your point? Doesn't mean they are guaranteed to show any of that stuff. Maybe Strange since that's March but I doubt we'll see the others.

Its an event? And people paid to attend Destination 23 2021. I also didn't say its guaranteed that the clips/firstlook for the 2022 movies, but its not hard to imagine that they will showcase 1st looks; as that usually happens in this kind of events. Between Destination 23 and D+ day, its more likely, 2022 theatrical movies of Disney would be showcase in "D23".

Anyway, its 1 month away. We should know soon enough.

 

[Albright]

I also think, that Disney plus day only will be about projects that go exclusively to Disney plus…like the series and Holiday specials (Guardians and the rumored Werwolf by Night).

There still could be an investors day for the movie projects in late 21 or early 22, because investors need an overview in what they have to put their money the next years.
There are a lot releases dates and no names attached to it starting 2023 (not only Marvel projects)

 

[Venom 1988]

https://deadline.com/2021/10/doctor...anda-forever-release-date-changes-1234857549/

Well...that's certainly surprising news. So now it's 3 MCU movies next year.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - May 6, 2022

Thor Love & Thunder - July 8, 2022

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Nov 11, 2022

The Marvels - Feb 17, 2023

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - July 28, 2023

Guardians 3 appears to not have moved. Marvel also removed the unnamed film dates the had reserved in 2023 off the slate entirely for now.

 

[NotNickFury]

Curious what those untitled projects may have been.

We know Fantastic Four is happening, so it couldn't be that since it's not unnamed. And it's nowhear near close to starting. Maybe something X-Men related?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Curious what those untitled projects may have been.

We know Fantastic Four is happening, so it couldn't be that since it's not unnamed. And it's nowhear near close to starting. Maybe something X-Men related?

They didn't assign a date to FF, but I bet FF was probably 1 of them. Likely the July one. But I don't know that for sure