MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[The_Manhunter]

Cool. Stating your opinion is one thing but don't attack people cause they like the movie and you dont, yknow? :3

Exactly.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Updated MCU Chronology (made by me! with help from the MCU wikia page). Some things to keep in mind. First, I'm not sure if there will be 3 Netflix shows in 2016. I'm only making this assumption because DD has already started and I read an online rumor that Luke Cage was going to start filming soon, which means it will be released next year over the summer. Hopefully, once DD is done filming they will start Iron Fist.

Also...who knows if Agents of Shield will have a fourth season? So, I am not assuming there will be a fourth season until we hear otherwise. Lastly, this is a work in progress, so please feel free to offer some suggestions for changing it:

MCU Chronology
• Captain America: The First Avenger
• Agent Carter
o Now is Not the End
o Bridge and Tunnel
o Time and Tide
o The Blitzkrieg Button
o The Iron Ceiling
o A Sin to Err
o Snafu
o Valediction
• Agent Carter (Marvel One-Shot)
• Iron Man
• Iron Man 2
• The Incredible Hulk
• A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor’s Hammer (Marvel One-Shot)
• Thor
• The Consultant (Marvel One-Shot)
• Captain America: The First Avenger (last few minutes)
• The Avengers
• Item 47 (Marvel One-Shot)
• Iron Man 3
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Pilot
o 0-8-4
o The Asset
o Eye-Spy
o Girl in the Flower Dress
o FZZT
o The Hub
• Thor: The Dark World
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o The Well
o Repairs
o The Bridge
o The Magical Place
• All Hail The King (Marvel One-Shot)
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Seeds
o T.R.A.C.K.S.
o T.A.H.I.T.I.
o Yes Men
o End of the Beginning
• Captain America: The Winter Soldier
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season One)
o Turn, Turn, Turn
o Providence
o The Only Light in the Darkness
o Nothing Personal
o Ragtag
o Beginning of the End
• Guardians of the Galaxy
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Shadows
o Heavy is the Head
o Making Friends and Influencing People
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Into The Ring
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Face My Enemy
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Cut Man
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o A Hen in the Wolf House
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Rabbit In a Snow Storm
o In The Blood
o World on Fire
o Condemned
o Stick
o Shadows in the Glass
o Speak of the Devil
o Nelson v. Murdock
o The Path of the Righteous
o The Ones We Leave Behind
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o A Fractured House
o The Writing on the Wall
• Daredevil (Season One)
o Daredevil
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o The Things We Bury
o Ye Who Enter Here
o What They Become
o Aftershocks
o Who You Really Are
o One of Us
o Love in the Time of Hydra
o One Door Closes
o Afterlife
o Melinda
o The Frenemy of my enemy
o The Dirty Half DozenA
• Avengers: Age of Ultron
• Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (Season Two)
o Scars
o S.O.S. Parts One and Two
• Ant-Man

Coming Up

2015:
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3 (episodes 1-10)
AKA Jessica Jones (Netflix – November or December)

2016
Agent Carter season 2
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 3 (episodes 11-22)
Captain America: Civil War (May 6, 2016)
Daredevil season 2 (Netflix – April?)
Luke Cage (Netflix – summer?)
Dr. Strange (November 4, 2016)
Iron Fist (Netflix - November)

2017
Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (May 5, 2017)
The Defenders (Netflix - May)
Spider-Man (July 28, 2017)
Thor: Ragnarok (November 3, 2017)

2018
Avengers: Infinity War Part I (May 4, 2018)
Black Panther (July 6, 2018)
Captain Marvel (November 2, 2018)

2019
Avengers: Infinity War Part II (May 3, 2019)
Inhumans (July 22, 2019)

Fantastic I'll definitely do this. Love that the beginning of the MCU begins with Cap, although Iron Man is the first released film. Chronology it's Captain America that is the key as the cosmic cube was introduced in ww2 and Howard Stark used the tech from that to create the advancement of Stark industries leading to Tony creating the arc reactor.

 

[Shakel92]

Get ready for MCU overload! I was thinking about this yesterday and realized there's a lot coming down the pike from the people over at Marvel.

Fall 2015
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 10 episodes
Jessica Jones - 13 episodes

2016
Agent Carter - 10 episodes
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D - 12 episodes
Daredevil season 2 - 13 episodes
Captain America: Civil War released in May, 2016
Luke Cage - 13 episodes
Dr. Strange released in November 2016

If Luke Cage has the same amount of production time as Daredevil and Jessica Jones, we can expect it to be released in June, after wrapping up filming around February.

If Netflix goes right into filming Iron Fist after Luke Cage finishes (like it went right into filming JJ after DD, and went right into filming Luke Cage after JJ wrapped up) it should premier towards the end of 2016.

If "Marvel's Most Wanted" gets ordered as a series (which I'm sure it will) it will probably debut over the summer of 2016.

That's 71 episodes of Marvel TV (broadcast and Netflix), two full length feature films that are guaranteed. Plus, 13 episodes of Iron Fist and 8-10 episodes of "Marvel's Most Wanted."

Is this oversaturation, or the way life was meant to be? (I'm banking on the latter!)

 

[Whiskey Tango]

the way life was meant to be?

 

[mace1]

Check these out.

These are fan made and not from dc and marvel.

Marvel vs. DC - The Ultimate Crossover (Part I) | Animation Film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzGdv4cg4Us


Marvel vs. DC - The Ultimate Crossover (Part II) | Animation Film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tibUYswbhMU

 

[OcStat]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chris-evan...rs-3-infinity-war-calls-marvel-actors-1518568

Nice!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I've long suspected Hemsworth would bail if for no other reason that constantly beefing up for Thor would get tiresome but Chris E really seems to enjoy playing Cap.

 

[First Avenger]

Hems said something similar IIRC.

 

[Mjölnir]

Hopefully Marvel has gotten a bit of an edge at retaining these established guys now that the notoriously frugal Perlmutter is gone. These guys have helped make the MCU into the biggest franchise in movie history so they could certainly deserve some nice paydays (they aren't exactly getting peanuts as it is, but they could earn more elsewhere in some cases).

 

[Protar]

I'll be honest, even though I love RDJ, Evans, Hemsworth and the like, I was rather looking forward to them stepping down and seeing new characters and actors take up the mantle. I fear that if Marvel can now rely on having the big guns stick around for another seven movies, that they may rest on their laurels and become too formulaic.I know the MCU is already often criticised as being formulaic, but I feel each franchise has it's own flavour. But I feel like with each of the main three franchises approaching, or having already fulfilled their initial trilogies, that it's time for something new. If they can now bank on three more Iron Man films, three more Thor films, three more Captain America films, what happens to Black Panther and Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange and the Inhumans? And all the other new properties that there may no longer be space for?

 

[Mjölnir]

I don't see why there wouldn't be places for those characters when they are being introduced while the original guys are still here. Quite evidently the Cap and Thor movies of phase 4 did not stop Marvel from giving us several new properties in the pipeline.

Marvel is also stepping up their game to making 3 movies per year in 2017-18, which they could certainly keep doing if they have enough movies to make. You also don't have to make a solo movie every time, you can do some smaller team ups where Thor joins Dr Strange, or something like that.

 

[Protar]

I feel like things are pretty much as packed as they can be. More than 3 films a year seems like too much. So after phase 3, assuming all the old actors have their contracts renewed there'll be a lot of different franchises in competition with one another: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Spider Man, Ant-man, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Inhumans and Guardians of the Galaxy, and whatever new properties Marvel wishes to develop (and I would hope for at least 2 new properties per phase). Maybe they can make something like that work if they up things to 4 films a year.

And I think it's a given that if Marvel has the surety of the old cast, they won't have the incentive to develop new characters nearly as much.

ETA: Plus, aside from the logistics of it all I liked the idea from a story perspective - of the old Avengers stepping down or dying, staying around as mentors to the new ones perhaps. For example a young hero puts on the Iron Man suit with Stark as a mentor figure a la Batman Beyond.

 

[Fosterson]

I've long suspected Hemsworth would bail if for no other reason that constantly beefing up for Thor would get tiresome but Chris E really seems to enjoy playing Cap.

Evans also needs to bulk up to play Cap, so I don't see why it would be an issue for Hemsworth only. Also, Hemsworth will get a pretty big break between AoU and Ragnarok in which he can focus on other projects. Meanwhile, Evans will have played Cap in three consecutive movies in as many years by the time Civil War rolls around.

 

[TheVileOne]

Evans also needs to bulk up to play Cap, so I don't see why it would be an issue for Hemsworth only. Also, Hemsworth will get a pretty big break between AoU and Ragnarok in which he can focus on other projects. Meanwhile, Evans will have played Cap in three consecutive movies in as many years by the time Civil War rolls around.

It's not that big of a break, since he's also doing Infinity War.

 

[Mjölnir]

I feel like things are pretty much as packed as they can be. More than 3 films a year seems like too much. So after phase 3, assuming all the old actors have their contracts renewed there'll be a lot of different franchises in competition with one another: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hulk, Spider Man, Ant-man, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Inhumans and Guardians of the Galaxy, and whatever new properties Marvel wishes to develop (and I would hope for at least 2 new properties per phase). Maybe they can make something like that work if they up things to 4 films a year.

And I think it's a given that if Marvel has the surety of the old cast, they won't have the incentive to develop new characters nearly as much.

ETA: Plus, aside from the logistics of it all I liked the idea from a story perspective - of the old Avengers stepping down or dying, staying around as mentors to the new ones perhaps. For example a young hero puts on the Iron Man suit with Stark as a mentor figure a la Batman Beyond.

They don't need to go over 3 movies per year. They just showed that they could add new characters with Ant-Man this year, Dr Strange next year, Spider-Man in 2017, Black Panther and Captain Marvel in 2018, and then the Inhumans in 2019.

That's 6 new properties in 5 years, and only 2 of those years feature 3 Marvel movies. Clearly there was plenty of space for new characters and the old characters did not make Marvel only focus on them.

It's also unrealistic that Marvel will keep on starting new properties at this rate and just rely on the brand name instead of also giving the fans what they've proven to love. I'm sure we will keep getting new characters though, but a lot will depend on if the new can match the old in popularity (or rather in revenue) and they have to make sure it doesn't get too watered down.

 

[Chris B]

Yeah, I think the Phase 3 line-up dispels the notion that Marvel is risk averse and will rely only on their proven franchises.

 

[Protar]

Yeah, I think the Phase 3 line-up dispels the notion that Marvel is risk averse and will rely only on their proven franchises.

Well I think Phase 3 was designed with the assumption that they'd need to replace most of the old cast. If they new back then that they'd have everyone back for another 7 films each or whatever, would they have given us the same line up?

ETA: The reason they had so much room is phase 3 is exactly because they decided to prioritise new characters. Only 3 films in Phase 3 are old properties and only 2 are from phase 1.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Evans also needs to bulk up to play Cap, so I don't see why it would be an issue for Hemsworth only

Evans hasn't complained about it anywhere near as much either. Nor have I heard stories about him almost breaking into tears on set while forcing himself to eat mounds of boiled chicken.

Not saying Hems is a whiner or anything, it's just a huge amount of work bulking up like that and I get the feeling playing Thor is not enough to make him want to keep doing it.

Chris E on the other hand, like RDJ seems to be really embracing his character as an extension of himself with all the kids charity stuff and whatnot. If Marvel gives him plenty of off time to direct or whatever other endeavors he wants to pursue he might stick around for awhile.

 

[Octavias]

Anyone think eventually Marvel ought to touch on the Olympian Heroes just to get a leg up on DC there? They already have the Asgardians

 

[Mjölnir]

I hope that they stick with Asgard alone. I think getting more into it fits worse in how the MCU is constructed, plus that I think that Greek mythology is more overdone than Norse.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I don't think the Greek gods ever really worked as effectively as the well-realized Asgardians. Then there's the Eternals on top of the Olympians just to make things even more confusing.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I could see a Hercules film at some point, but I agree with Mjolnir. Greek mythology (and Hercules especially) has been done too many times for it to generate much interest, at least outside the fanbase.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

See... Fans are always SELECTIVELY pointing to GOTG to show that Marvel can do anything... But if they aren't crazy about something, oh well, it's been over done, or it's too similar to something, or the MCU already has X so why bring in Y too, and on and on...

Anyone that read the early goings of the Hercules/Cho stories know that translating that on screen would likely yield a fun action romp which plays with the expectations of the super hero formula while still delivering on awesome battles with a larger than life hero at the center of it all, and one of the most well known around the world ones at that in Herc.

According to fans, Marvel Studios can spin gold out of hay, and in fact it has taken properties not as well known as Spider-Man, Batman or Superman and turned them iconic, or at the least, very profitable. I know they could do the same with Herc and deliver a CBM that I would be happy to see was handled as an action/comedy.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Hercules and the Olympians are public domain like Dracula and Frankenstein. Anybody can make a movie out of those characters.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I'd love to see the Olympians personally. Imagine Zeus and Odin throwing down. Plus Ares is cool as hell.