Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Lip]

An MCU X-men movie about oppression that has one or two characters of colour should be laughed right out of cinemas.

And I honestly don't see it happening at all. With or without the reluctance of some fans, I simply don't see Marvel portraying the X-Men universe with that 70's standard of diversity. It's just too ridiculous.

"Hey, look how diverse our cast is" => 20 white people and 2 people of color.

No. It ain't happening.

 

[Lip]

Xavier:

 

[Gamma Goliath]

There are a good handful of white xmen who could stand to be color swapped for a number of other races. I really wouldn't mind an Alaskan looking Cyclops and havoc.

 

[Marvel united]

Forge can be a mansion background character (fixture) without necessarily taking up a field team spot.

But he's been a field member who has gotten in on the action before. Just saying. I could see him being the tech genius of the team since he can build anything. Maybe he's the one who makes the uniforms and helps design the Danger Room and the Blackbird

 

[Yowza]

I don't think it's necessary to include a lot of various ethnicities all at once if just to represent; a good group dynamic made up of different individuals that get things going X-Men style.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

An MCU X-men movie about oppression that has one or two characters of colour should be laughed right out of cinemas.

Have Psylocke as Asian version and this is a great movie roster

"Hey, look how diverse our cast is" => 20 white people and 2 people of color.

No. It ain't happening.

People of Color doesn't mean Black people. I hate when people act like other races don't exist.


When I said two black people that doesn't mean stop casting other ethnicities.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't think it's necessary to include a lot of various ethnicities all at once if just to represent; a good group dynamic made up of different individuals that get things going X-Men style.

The X-Men are not the Avengers. It's not that simple. Representation matters in an X-Men movie.. Like a lot. There absolutely should be an attempt to cast with the intention of having a racially diverse group. Let minorities be seen and matter in a movie that is a direct parallel to their experience.

The cast of Runaways or Spider-Man Homecoming is what the faces of this franchise should look like imo

 

[Lip]

People of Color doesn't mean Black people. I hate when people act like other races don't exist.


When I said two black people that doesn't mean stop casting other ethnicities.

I wasn't talking about black people only. I made that clear several times before. The main characters of X-Men are majorly white.

And two black people among 20+ white characters still doesn't look realistic to me in today's standards.

 

[Lip]

The X-Men are not the Avengers. It's not that simple. Representation matters in an X-Men movie.. Like a lot. There absolutely should be an attempt to cast with the intention of having a racially diverse group. Let minorities be seen and matter in a movie that is a direct parallel to their experience.

The cast of Runaways or Spider-Man Homecoming is what the faces of this franchise should look like imo

Oh, and please, if they're going to do it, go all the way. It's the only thing I ask. I hated that they didn't make Zendaya the new Mary Jane. So if they're going to do it, go all the way and do it. That "it is but it isn't" thing they did with Zendaya's character was a mistake IMO.

I don't want to see a Karen Proud. I want to see Kitty Pryde, whether or not she will be played by a white actress.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

And two black people among 20+ white characters still doesn't look realistic to me in today's standards.

You guys want Black Cyclops/Xavier/Angel/Magneto it seems . I want Bishop/Monet/Gentle especially if theyd tie him into BP. Who knows

 

[Abudefduf]

Well to each their own, but the prospect of watching X-Men movies starring Monet, Sunfire, Bishop or (heaven forbid) Forge for the next two or three phases of the MCU is not particularly exciting to me.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is still ongoing? How about they just pick the most interesting characters, give us the defining X-Men in their most iconic look than checking up every box in the diversity list. I don't mind having Bishop and Forge in the first film, but Monet? Sunfire? Gentle? Just no. Lets not forget Jubilee, Storm, Psylocke.

 

[JP]

Xavier:

Holy crap I love both these options. Wright is still my top pick for Beast tho

 

[psylockolussus]

The characters people want to see and the characters Marvel will surely be investing. I don't see them priortizing Cecelia Reyes, Thunderbird, Sunfire, Armor, Maggot and Forge over Rogue, Kitty Pryde, Colossus, Beast, Gambit, Emma Frost, Angel, Alex, Bobby, Dazzler and a bunch of other white characters...

I don't know why you are so pressed by this? They live in America first so its not surprising why majority of the X-Men are white, Yes even in the 2010s. Second this has never been a big issue when characters like Storm, Bishop, Psylocke, Jubilee have been around for so long. Yes its not 50/50 but its also not a deal breaker. Just let the X-Men look like the X-Men from the comics without the drastic changes you are suggesting like as if it would ruin things if they don't push this diversity agenda to all characters. What are you gonna do if they all ended up looking similar to their comic appearance? Blame the comics?

Even Dark PhoeniX and the previous films weren't being criticized for having a majority white cast but for not living up to the potential of the other characters.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't know why you are so pressed by this? They live in America first so its not surprising why majority of the X-Men are white, Yes even in the 2010s. Second this has never been a big issue when characters like Storm, Bishop, Psylocke, Jubilee have been around for so long. Yes its not 50/50 but its also not a deal breaker. Just be X-Men look like the X-Men from the comics without drastic changes you are suggesting.

Maybe because when those characters were created. That was what was considered diverse at the time. Having 3 POC on a 10-member team like the 90s roster is not going to fly for most people today. Especially when the X-Men is suppose to be a direct mirror to ACTUAL minorities (Having mostly straight white characters be stand-ins for themes like racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc is not a good look in 2019-2020) - which is why the "America is majority white" argument misses the entire point. But even if you wanna play that game, the X-Men also live in NYC, which is the melting pot of different cultures and races. So an All/mostly-white X-Men in modern day New York makes no sense either.

This is what the cast should look like.

And I wish people would stop bringing up Bishop as a viable member when he's not a practical option for a first movie. It would not make sense for him to be a member of the X-Men at this point in time. It would just make things even more convoluted and complicated

 

[psylockolussus]

The cast should look like what the characters (that they would portray) look like in the comics, in my opinion. Also it doesn't matter if they had 3 minorities in a group of ten if those three are handled well. Also the X-Men is not purely about skin color imo. Having Xavier, Cyke, Jean, Bobby, Hank, Warren look faithful to their comic book appearance isnt gonna be controversial unless they leave out all poc characters like Storm.

 

[JP]

As someone who was born and raised in NYC, few films have really represented what it looks like.

I actually think Homecoming did the best job so far showing what a NYC highschool looks like...

 

[psylockolussus]

Maybe because when those characters were created. That was what was considered diverse at the time. Having 3 POC on a 10-member team like the 90s roster is not going to fly for most people today. Especially when the X-Men is suppose to be a direct mirror to ACTUAL minorities (Having mostly straight white characters be stand-ins for themes like racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc is not a good look in 2019-2020) - which is why the "America is majority white" argument misses the entire point. But even if you wanna play that game, the X-Men also live in NYC, which is the melting pot of different cultures and races. So an All/mostly-white X-Men in modern day New York makes no sense either.
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This is what the cast should look like.

And I wish people would stop bringing up Bishop as a viable member when he's not a practical option for a first movie. It would not make sense for him to be a member of the X-Men at this point in time. It would just make things even more convoluted and complicated

Bishop can be a viable to the team if Marvel wants it to happen and they won't need to racebend to showcase a strong African-American character. That sounds better to me than race bending Xavier or any of the X-Men.

And again no one is really criticizing Dark phoeniX for its cast members that are mostly white and that film comes out in 2019.

 

[psylockolussus]

Again having Storm, Psylocke, Bishop and Jubilee are enough but you deemed some of them as not so important which rubs me the wrong way. Jubilee was in tas from the very start. Psylocke was in almost every X-Men videogame. Storm is a top 5 X-Men. Bishop being included in the first roster would be new but so what? He's not a d lister. There's no required amount of poc to be showcased in a X-Men film, it isnt the case now and it won't be the case with Marvel. Now if its gonna be all white characters then okay but I hardly doubt that.

 

[JP]

I... agree with you. LOL

 

[psylockolussus]

Also Forge can be the tech guy, Cecilia as the doctor in the mansion. Surge, Armor, Trinary, Dust, Gentle and Sunspot can appear as students. Others like Revanche, Sunfire can be introduced in the sequels.

 

[ludovica]

The franchise is literally based on the Civil Rights marches, key figures from the 60s.

I agree in broad strokes to the points you were making, to be clear.
But I have to say it, the X-Men are literally NOT originally based on or inspired by the Civil Rights marches, but on the discrimination faced by Jews in academia and upper society before the '70s.

Even the parallels with MLK and Malcolm X came way later. Not to say of the fact that they never made any sense: Xavier by any means is a Malcolm X figure, but that is as far as it goes. Not really a fitting parallel of Charles and Mags dichotomy.

Never understood why people took the "by any means necessary" bit completely out of context: that is the equivalent of Xavier training young mutants to defend themselves and their kind.
As a matter of fact Magneto is more of a Weather Underground proxy.

 

[Marvel united]

Again having Storm, Psylocke, Bishop and Jubilee are enough but you deemed some of them as not so important which rubs me the wrong way. Jubilee was in tas from the very start. Psylocke was in almost every X-Men videogame. Storm is a top 5 X-Men. Bishop being included in the first roster would be new but so what? He's not a d lister. There's no required amount of poc to be showcased in a X-Men film, it isnt the case now and it won't be the case with Marvel. Now if its gonna be all white characters then okay but I hardly doubt that.

You're missing the point. What relevance characters like Jubilee, Psylocke and Bishop had on a an ALL WHITE roster made up of 12 to 14 members during the 90s does not matter. It Is not relevant to an X-Men film in 2021-2022 that will be reintroducing these characters to a new generation of moviegoers. The first TRUE reboot of the entire movie franchise. So when they tap into the themes that have made this franchise resonate with so many people, it has to be done in a manner that Is acceptable to an audience in the 2020s and having straight, white characters talk about how hard it is to be a minority, Charles reciting quotes from Dr. King in the 60, people discriminating against the mutants etc works wayyy better with actual minorities.

That's what an X-Men movie adaptation needs to be TODAY. This isn't 1963 anymore.

Its actually kinda sad to see the same 3 people of color constantly being brought as this shining beacon of diversity in a mostly all-white cast going through the same things oppressed groups in America are going through. And imo, it only illustrates why some race swaps SHOULD happen. Why Iceman SHOULD be gay, why this franchise should be updated like Marvel did with the Spider-Man franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

Skin color is not the only thing that makes someone different. There are other things. Religion, attractiveness or physical beauty, sexual orientation, profession, status in life, iq level,.... So why arethe X-Men suddenly all about skin color now?

 

[Frankeh]

If Marvel made a Spider-Man movie without the Osborns, without Mary Jane, without Gwen Stacy, they can surely make an X-Men movie with a roster including Sunfire, Thunderbird, Bishop, Forge, Psylocke. I mean, those are X-Men characters, and as long as they aren't the minority on the team I don't see how it is just "peppering".

If you want to racebend some characters fine, but don't paint is a necessity to have a diverse cast. Why is the history of the comics a burden on the movie as long as it presents a diverse cast?