My problems with the movie so far...

[tecnowraith]

I agree on the Gwen Stacy thing, too me Raimi had a good opportunity to use Betty brant Felicia Hardy instead of Gwen.

 

[POWdER-man]

I'm not really concerned about the movie, i'll hold judgement until after i've seen the film. However;

Okay so we've got the Sandman, we've got Harry who is on his way to become a villain, and we've got Venom. And now we've got a fourth villain? How are they going to make this all work?

I mean following the first two films;

We've got alot of scenes of-

MJ and Peter "Do you love me": Okay, I know this is important but it takes up so much time as well. We've got other characters like Aunt May, Jonah Jameson, John Jameson, etc etc etc. We now have Gwen Stacy, Captain Stacy etc. This is all fine, but we've got four villains to mix up. How are they going to get the proper screen time they deserve? I mean, take Spider-Man 2 for example. I feel that Ock didn't get enough screen-time, and they had so many chances to do just that.

There was quite a few scenes I found when looking at everything with Molina as Otto before and after the accident. But there wasn't nearly enough scenes of him fighting. I would have liked to see more to it than the little we got.

As for this time, we know of at least the Armour car chase fight, Subway entrance fight, construction site, aerial fight/final battle. Than there were those pictures a long time ago with bank windows blown out and there is possibly a confrontation at the Spider-Man Day festivities to name ones I can think of at the moment.

So I think we might be better off than we were last time for the amount of fight scenes.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

My problems with this movie so far:

- Fanboys who jump into negative conclusions based on vague information and personal speculation before they see a single second of actual footage.

- And, huh... Yeah, that´s pretty much it.

Ultimatefan, when i said, in the Superman forums, that you are one the good guys around here, i meant it, but, to be fairly honest, your replys in the last days are not the best of the bunch
And i haven´t still bothered to reply to your latest Superman one, but i will...

I never said anything negative about the movie, not even one.
I´m expecting to be more of the same, more of what Raimi has given us with both Spider-Man movies, nothing more nothing less, and that has nothing to do with what i said here.
But, what i find amusing is that are always happy that the movies are being made, which makes me wonder.......don´t you have any opinion? Don´t you have a mind of your own, or you are just happy with anything someone throws at you?

You don´t agree with me, fine.
But to put things the way you just did, just makes you seem like a tool, with no opinion at all.
And i know you are not one of those...

 

[ComicKoryn]

just as long as they don't stick another annoying asian woman in there plucking her violin to the Spider-man theme song, I'm good.

 

[matthooper]

And before someone accuses me of being a Troll (because people tend to be that stupid), this are actual concerns, not wanting to start a war.

Troll !

 

[8Ball2/JanG5]

I think the film is too long, and the lines between Tobey and Dunst are still so cheesy.

 

[CoolAsICE]

I bet this has already been addressed in some other thread, but, because i usually don´t came here....
What are your thughts about:

* Gwen Stacy being in the movie? Because there is no point whatsover. It looks to me as some cheap drama.
* 4 villains is just too much, it will never work, because, at least one of them, is going to be misused and the characters don´t deserve to be disrespected.
* Raimi said, when filming the first movie, that he doesn´t like Venom and sees no point in using Gwen because her only use is to die. But, all of a sudden, we have a movie with both Venom and Gwen
Doesn´t anyone think that Raimi is being pressed by Columbia and Marvel to use the characters? Because, like i said, there is no reason to use Gwen now.
* What about Venom? Does anyone else thinks that he is going to be totally diferent from what he is in the comics? He is going to be more of a evil Spider-Man than anything else?

Address more issues that you see fit...
And before someone accuses me of being a Troll (because people tend to be that stupid), this are actual concerns, not wanting to start a war.

1) How do you know there's "no point" to Gwen? Have you read the script? Obviously she will have some relevance. But personally, I couldn't care less what her role is....I'm happy as hell to have Gwen on the big screen (she should've been there from the beginning), and even happier to have an attractive and capable actress cast in the role.

2) I'd agree that 4 villains is overdoing it. But we still don't have proof that there WILL be four. All the legit-sounding summaries I've read only mention Sandman, Venom and GG.

3) Raimi may or may not have been pressed to use Venom, but you have to assume that he was planning to use him eventually. There would be an uproar amongst the fanboys if he didn't. Whether or not this means Venom will get the good treatment, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Visionary]

Damn, you people are seriously going to get an ulcer worrying about this movie.

 

[pedro parkero]

I just hope this doesn't turn out to be a senseless slugfest with plenty of plotholes but no heart & soul. That's the ultimate concern so far...

Waittaminit, on second thought, I also don't want ear-rending, mind-numbing cheesy lines between MJ and Parker. And he has the girl now so he has to have confidence. At least show it in the first half by being a wise-ass to the Sandman or 4th villain...

I'm also worried on how they will treat the Peter-Harry relationship. If I were Peter I wouldn't go around like nothing happened between my bestfriend in S-M2. He should confront Harry man to man soon...

 

[Cinemaman]

Well, I also dont like the idea of 4 villians, it will turn into fighting movie.

Storytelling+4 Villians=160 mins.

Too long.

 

[Hotwire]

I wish people would stop whining when a movie doesn't stay 100% true to the comics. You don't hear any complaining anymore that MJ was Peter's neighbor. Nor that Green Goblin and Doc Ock didn't look EXACTLEY like they did in the comics. These are film adaptations. They WILL and MUST change things a bit to make them flow. Besides, with a character like Spider-Man, don't forget he's been around for over 40 years, and gone through God-knows how many changes. Any movie made will blend elements from all over the character's history as well as elements from the films writers and directors. Get over it! Just sit back, open your mind, and enjoy the show!

 

[ultimatefan]

Ultimatefan, when i said, in the Superman forums, that you are one the good guys around here, i meant it, but, to be fairly honest, your replys in the last days are not the best of the bunch
And i haven´t still bothered to reply to your latest Superman one, but i will...

I never said anything negative about the movie, not even one.
I´m expecting to be more of the same, more of what Raimi has given us with both Spider-Man movies, nothing more nothing less, and that has nothing to do with what i said here.
But, what i find amusing is that are always happy that the movies are being made, which makes me wonder.......don´t you have any opinion? Don´t you have a mind of your own, or you are just happy with anything someone throws at you?

You don´t agree with me, fine.
But to put things the way you just did, just makes you seem like a tool, with no opinion at all.
And i know you are not one of those...

Sorry if I sound like that, but I been kinda impatient lately... The gf problems, probably...

 

[weezerspider]

My problems with this movie so far:

- Fanboys who jump into negative conclusions based on vague information and personal speculation before they see a single second of actual footage.

- And, huh... Yeah, that´s pretty much it.

I would agree with that. Also, why do people want to kill someone because a villain's story is altered? Is this the comics? no. It's a different version, just like how most Ultimate comics are different from the original. also, I would like it to be a slugfest. The 2nd one started off a bit slow, even though I still loved it. Plus, if this is the last one, Spidey needs to do alotta what heros do, fight. And isn't Venom suppose to be in like the last 10 minutes? That means his origin will go through the whole movie. Harry's has already started. It started in the first movie for God's sake. Plus I bet if there is a 4th villian, he'll probably be like the "sentinel" in X3. Probably a little more screen time. That just leaves Sandman. shouldn't be too bad.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Sorry if I sound like that, but I been kinda impatient lately... The gf problems, probably...

No harm done
Hope everything turns out for the best

 

[Prodigy]

wait wait wait wait wait

someone has a problem with the movie? on the superherohype boards? ... surely you jest.

 

[Darkesthorizon]

 

[Pagrebo]

OK, school is back in session...

I bet this has already been addressed in some other thread, but, because i usually don´t came here....
What are your thughts about:

* Gwen Stacy being in the movie? Because there is no point whatsover. It looks to me as some cheap drama.
(Uh, so then there was no point whatsoever in having MJ in the comics, right. Just as there was no point in having both Lana Lang and Lois Lane in the Superman universe, right? Do you even know what is going to transpire? No, you're just opening wide to stick your foot as far in your mouth as possible. Have you only been with one partner your entire life? Is it allowable for a person or a character to switch partners or maybe even develop friendships? Truly one of the most thoughtless and (coincidentally) pointless statements I've read recently.)
* 4 villains is just too much, it will never work, because, at least one of them, is going to be misused and the characters don´t deserve to be disrespected.
(Were 4 villains too many in Superman 2? What about the X-Men movies? Which characters were misused in those movies? It isn't the quantity that matters, it's the quality of the writing and direction that does.)
* Raimi said, when filming the first movie, that he doesn´t like Venom and sees no point in using Gwen because her only use is to die. But, all of a sudden, we have a movie with both Venom and Gwen Doesn´t anyone think that Raimi is being pressed by Columbia and Marvel to use the characters? Because, like i said, there is no reason to use Gwen now.
(Actually, he said that he preferred the classic villains. Rumor also has it that he wanted Gwen for SM1 to reenact her classic death from the comics. I do, however, think you may be correct that he was pressured to use Venom. The use of Gwen at this time was probably instigated by Dunst's plans to leave the franchise. So MJ will likely complete the Gwen story, and Gwen will become what MJ was in the comics. Perfect? No, but acceptable.)
* What about Venom? Does anyone else thinks that he is going to be totally diferent from what he is in the comics? He is going to be more of a evil Spider-Man than anything else?
(Which version of Venom are you referring to? There is, in fact, a comic version of Venom that portrays the character as the anti-Spiderman. It may not be the most popular rendition, but it is pulled straight from the comics)

Address more issues that you see fit...
And before someone accuses me of being a Troll (because people tend to be that stupid), this are actual concerns, not wanting to start a war.
(I could really care less if you're trolling or not. What you are is misguided and misinformed. There are plenty of potential concerns that exist for SM3. You simply haven't chosen any of the ones that don't have at least possible answers.)

Aloha... and have a nice day! Neeexxxttt???!!!

 

[jusblaze21]

I understand your concerns, but I trust Raimi.

 

[Venom4SM4]

Just cause Avi Arad say's there's 4 doesnt mean there is......everyone's going out of hand thinking there's 4 villains. My brother talked to Topher/Tobey's stunt doubles on the set and they said Venom,Sandman and brief gg2. All the people saying sam answered there questions are lieing, my brother asked sam "is there a symbiote?" and he replied "Is there a symbiote?" "well i cant answer that" and laughed. So there's really no telling what happens until official pics are released.

 

[BHD]

the Spider-Man movies are not a cinematographic adaptation of the comics. It's Raimi's own interpretation of the Spider-Man story. People should really stop comparing the movies to the comics.

I understand what you're trying to say, but in my view the movies are primarily meant to be an adaption of the comics. Yes, they can't be identical, mostly because of the length of time some stories would take on the big screen, but to change the original story so dramatically just to fit one's personal adaptation isn't completely fair. It may be his interpretation, but he's making the film for millions of fans, not just for himself, therefore I feel he should make the stories as close to the original as possible. There's one thing about having to make alterations, or shorten/cut minor events, but some changes Raimi has made in the stories is the equivalent to making the davinci code a speculation about how jesus had his own night club instead of a wife and kids. I just personally feel there's a difference between small differences and completely different stories.

 

[Pagrebo]

Just cause Avi Arad say's there's 4 doesnt mean there is......everyone's going out of hand thinking there's 4 villains. My brother talked to Topher/Tobey's stunt doubles on the set and they said Venom,Sandman and brief gg2. All the people saying sam answered there questions are lieing, my brother asked sam "is there a symbiote?" and he replied "Is there a symbiote?" "well i cant answer that" and laughed. So there's really no telling what happens until official pics are released.

I think that's passable(and possible). In some respects, I wouldn't mind seeing Harry not don the GG outfit until the end of the movie. Instead, he uses mind games and money to make Peter/Spidey's life miserable. Perhaps, though, when Spidey is in peril of truly losing his life, Harry takes the serum, becomes the Goblin and fights by Peter's side, redeeming himself, the friendship, and the family name... but ultimately sacrificing his own life in the process.

Mind you, not likely to happen, but I can dream...

 

[Pagrebo]

I understand what you're trying to say, but in my view the movies are primarily meant to be an adaption of the comics. Yes, they can't be identical, mostly because of the length of time some stories would take on the big screen, but to change the original story so dramatically just to fit one's personal adaptation isn't completely fair. It may be his interpretation, but he's making the film for millions of fans, not just for himself, therefore I feel he should make the stories as close to the original as possible. There's one thing about having to make alterations, or shorten/cut minor events, but some changes Raimi has made in the stories is the equivalent to making the davinci code a speculation about how jesus had his own night club instead of a wife and kids. I just personally feel there's a difference between small differences and completely different stories.

Wow, you have COMPLETELY missed the point of being an artist. Is this a business dependant upon people seeing it to generate a profit for those(Sony) who paid for it? Absolutely. Make no mistake, however, Raimi is making the film primarily for himself. I say primarily because I think there is value to the opinion that SM3 does show signs of corporate interference. Ultimately, however, this is his art form, his statement as to how he sees this subject matter. The fact that millions will see it simply allows him to continue to create his art.

You're also off base with your DaVinci Code comparison. That movie is based off a single piece of work, so yes, dramatic changes could alter the overall story. Spiderman is based off 40+ years of comics with different artists and writers, often retelling in their own ways stories that had already been told before in the series. So in this respect, Raimi is pulling from the source material as inspiration for the telling of Spiderman as he perceives it. Since there have been numerous adaptations in the comics already, there is very little basis to claim that any rendition of a Spiderman movie is a true and accurate adaptation of the comics. The comics themselves have too many variables all by themselves.

 

[iceberg325]

Wow, you have COMPLETELY missed the point of being an artist. Is this a business dependant upon people seeing it to generate a profit for those(Sony) who paid for it? Absolutely. Make no mistake, however, Raimi is making the film primarily for himself. I say primarily because I think there is value to the opinion that SM3 does show signs of corporate interference. Ultimately, however, this is his art form, his statement as to how he sees this subject matter. The fact that millions will see it simply allows him to continue to create his art.

You're also off base with your DaVinci Code comparison. That movie is based off a single piece of work, so yes, dramatic changes could alter the overall story. Spiderman is based off 40+ years of comics with different artists and writers, often retelling in their own ways stories that had already been told before in the series. So in this respect, Raimi is pulling from the source material as inspiration for the telling of Spiderman as he perceives it. Since there have been numerous adaptations in the comics already, there is very little basis to claim that any rendition of a Spiderman movie is a true and accurate adaptation of the comics. The comics themselves have too many variables all by themselves.

Exactly!!! I dont see why people are so worried. Raimi made 2 great movies. Dont you think he should get the benefit of the doubt?

 

[ultimatefan]

No harm done
Hope everything turns out for the best

Yeah, I think it will... We´ll be better off as just friends... Maybe with benefits from time to time, hehe...

 

[CrashNburn]

I bet this has already been addressed in some other thread, but, because i usually don´t came here....
What are your thughts about:

* Gwen Stacy being in the movie? Because there is no point whatsover. It looks to me as some cheap drama.
i'm sure she plays an important role in the movie but for some reason i could care less if she was in it or not.

* 4 villains is just too much, it will never work, because, at least one of them, is going to be misused and the characters don´t deserve to be disrespected.
i think that they could use a villian that is not so big in the comic world within the first 10 minutes of the movie so they dont have to explain the origin of that character. harry's story is already explained. venom wont be used until the last ten minutes possibly and they shouldnt need too much time to explain sandman's origin since he seems to be kind of a blah character to me. it might not be too congested after all.

* Raimi said, when filming the first movie, that he doesn´t like Venom and sees no point in using Gwen because her only use is to die. But, all of a sudden, we have a movie with both Venom and Gwen
Doesn´t anyone think that Raimi is being pressed by Columbia and Marvel to use the characters? Because, like i said, there is no reason to use Gwen now.
there may have been pressure put on but i dont think it really matters because whatever the reason i'm sure raimi could pull it off.

* What about Venom? Does anyone else thinks that he is going to be totally diferent from what he is in the comics? He is going to be more of a evil Spider-Man than anything else?
as much as most people including myself hope for an exact replica of the comics, i dont believe he will be. just look at most superhero movies. most of the characters in movies differ from the comics. as long as there arent real drastic changes, i wont might a slight change.

Address more issues that you see fit...
And before someone accuses me of being a Troll (because people tend to be that stupid), this are actual concerns, not wanting to start a war.
dont worry about what some people might say. that's the beauty of freedom and no one should stop you from enjoying the best forum on the web. i back you 100% so keep on trucking!