Negativity towards the DC films? - Part 1

[TripleJ]

Well, that's what I am saying. For someone unfamiliar with Superman, never saw any other Superman movie, animation, read a Superman comic book, it was a great action movie and some of those people might have
even liked the character. But for those of use who grew up on Superman, the movies, cartoons, comic books, he just didn't seem right in Man of Steel and especially Batman v Superman. It just seemed like because
the Dark Knight trilogy was such a huge hit they tried to turn Superman into Batman, a bitter loner hated and feared by the general public. That's why I said Man of Steel would have been a great Batman movie.
There's a reason that Superman's appearance was in a movie called Batman v Superman, and not Superman v Batman. And it's not because B comes before S in the alphabet. It's because all they knew how to do was
Batman.

Let's not go there - since your statement assumes that there's a version of Superman that all Superman fans love.

Superman is a character that has evolved, changed according to what writers wanted him to be. And I think Zack also deserves a fair shot at telling his version of the character.

Oh, and the whole thing with fear - let's be honest. Someone like Superman is never going to embraced by public, at least not right away. That never made much sense to me in the comics. I think the way they did it in BvS is a bit convoluted, but it works.

And I do believe that's pretty going to be the case with all DCEU movies (heck, that's been the case with Marvel movies too). Directors go with versions of the character that they wanted to direct.

Wan is going to pick elements from various AM stories and make a film that he wants to make. But, I doubt most people would complain since they don't know too much about Aquaman.

It's just that a certain version of Superman is ingrained in popular culture, unlike other characters. RDJ's Ironman is an example for the future - his version is ingrained in popular culture right now..and they are going to have a tough time rebooting that.

 

[Marvin]

Well, that's what I am saying. For someone unfamiliar with Superman, never saw any other Superman movie, animation, read a Superman comic book, it was a great action movie and some of those people might have
even liked the character. But for those of use who grew up on Superman, the movies, cartoons, comic books, he just didn't seem right in Man of Steel and especially Batman v Superman. It just seemed like because
the Dark Knight trilogy was such a huge hit they tried to turn Superman into Batman, a bitter loner hated and feared by the general public. That's why I said Man of Steel would have been a great Batman movie.
There's a reason that Superman's appearance was in a movie called Batman v Superman, and not Superman v Batman. And it's not because B comes before S in the alphabet. It's because all they knew how to do was
Batman.

/duly noted

 

[Longshot777]

Spoiler

Superman kills Zod and the fans complained.

Batman kills thugs with his bat mobile and batwing and fans still complained.

Wonder Woman kills Ares and the fans rejoiced!!!!

Hmmmm????

 

[Boy Scout]

Do you know nothing about any of those characters? I'm genuinely curious.

Thanks for spoiling the movie, by the way.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Someday I am have to going to learn to avoid message boards before I go see a movie.

 

[Boy Scout]

And someday people will learn to use spoiler tags.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

And someday people will learn to use spoiler tags.

That only works if someone has enough brains to use them. Be nice if the mods were to delete that message before other souls stumble upon it.

 

[WBwins]

Guess its now confirmed there is no critic bias to DC now?

 

[Rowsdower!]

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[Flint Marko]

I'm willing to bet that WW is the first DCEU film to actually feature a three-dimensional character that we can understand and root for, just like Logan and the TDKT and all those other dark superhero movies that critics should hate by your logic.

I was dead on.

 

[WBwins]

I was dead on.

Yep you were.No more crap excuses for BVS and MOS anymore.

 

[NealKenneth]

I was dead on.

*drops mic* All the haters having to print retractions...and the Bugle hasn't run a retraction in 20 years!

 

[King Shark]

You're still assuming the only reason people didn't like those films was because they were dark and upsetting, not that Wonder Woman might just genuinely be a better movie.

Look at the last few pages of this thread. It's people throwing out every excuse possible to explain why Wonder Woman has gotten better critical reception than MOS and BVS without just saying "Hey, maybe people just thought it was the superior film." It's ludicrous and kind of pretentious to pretend that the only reason it's being received better is because it supposedly didn't challenge the audience or wasn't intellectually "deep."

It's ludicrous and kind of pretentious to assume you actually know why people reacted in a certain way to a certain movie. Unless you're inside people's heads, you can't really tell what turned them off and what they're looking for in a movie. Being good or being bad is so subjective that it isn't even worth discussing. Certain movies work better than others. Are they superior works of art? Or are they just more in tune with what the masses are more used to and respond better to? You just don't know. Sure, if you don't like BvS, all you wanna do is to propagate the idea that the movie is simply bad and that's just it. This kind of ignores the complexity of the human mind and art itself. Let's also not forget that we aren't talking about a movie that nobody liked. There's still a big percentage of the audience that enjoyed the movie. It was just not a crowd pleaser. Does it need to be in order to have artistic value?

 

[MadVillainy]

Yep you were.No more crap excuses for BVS and MOS anymore.

Lol there's still plenty. Just read through the thread

 

[Richard Grayson]

People need to understand that people liking and enjoying Wonder Woman won't retroactively make them like BvS or Suicide Squad. Those were bad movies before WW came out and are bad movies after WW came out

 

[The Joker]

^ Exactly. So far WW is a diamond in the rough for the DCEU.

 

[Erzengel]

 

[The_Manhunter]

I knew exactly what was going on in BvS from the start. But the sh--on BvS and MoS train is about to start up again. It's sad when those of us who like the movie can't express it without having to defend it to those who can't leave it alone.

Yep. People who don't like the films can try to rationalize it all they want but it doesn't change what they are doing and how irritating it is to us fans of the films.

People need to understand that people liking and enjoying Wonder Woman won't retroactively make them like BvS or Suicide Squad. Those were bad movies before WW came out and are bad movies after WW came out

Well, that's their opinion. Opinion doesn't = fact.

 

[BH/HHH]

People need to understand that people liking and enjoying Wonder Woman won't retroactively make them like BvS or Suicide Squad. Those were bad movies before WW came out and are bad movies after WW came out

Or if you like them as I do they're still good movies after WW came out.

 

[The_Manhunter]

or if you like them as i do they're still good movies after ww came out.

+1!

 

[NealKenneth]

I don't know, I've had further movies both ruin and enhance previous ones before. TASM2 ruined the first one for me. On the other hand future films really help Iron Man 2.

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't know, I've had further movies both ruin and enhance previous ones before. TASM2 ruined the first one for me. On the other hand future films really help Iron Man 2.

Yeah it does happen tbf and I actually agree on the Amazing Spider-Man. I haven't revisited the first since the second one. I actually worry I won't like it anymore and I loved the first one when I saw it in cinemas.

I find a fair few MCU films unwatchable and IM2 is one of them. But it doesn't deter my enjoyment of the first Iron Man. Infact I hated Age of Ultron but still enjoy the first Avengers. So there are exceptions.

 

[The Joker]

Yep. People who don't like the films can try to rationalize it all they want but it doesn't change what they are doing and how irritating it is to us fans of the films.

When you're a supporter of movies that were poorly done, and generally disliked a lot, you have to expect a lot of disagreement when you praise it for things a lot of people don't think it's worthy of praise for. Nobody is stopping you from saying you like them, and nobody is forcing you to try and defend them from their much deserved criticisms.

 

[The_Manhunter]

When you're a supporter of movies that were poorly done, and generally disliked a lot, you have to expect a lot of disagreement when you praise it for things a lot of people don't think it's worthy of praise for. Nobody is stopping you from saying you like them, and nobody is forcing you to try and defend them from their much deserved criticisms.

Can we please stop acting like our opinions are fact? None of what I bolded is fact. And do you want to know why I contribute to discussions like these sometimes? Because if fans of the movies don't, these boards will turn into what they were when BvS came out: an unregulated bash fest.

 

[The Joker]

Can we please stop acting like our opinions are fact? None of what I bolded is fact. And do you want to know why I contribute to discussions like these sometimes? Because if fans of the movies don't, these boards will turn into what they were when BvS came out: an unregulated bash fest.

I never said it was fact. I am speaking on my own behalf, and people don't need to keep putting IMO after everything we say for that to be obvious.

If you don't like the way the forums are, then find one that is more suited to you. BH/HH is a member of a fans of the DCEU forum. You'd probably be happier there. Because you shouldn't feel the need to feel obligated to post just so the place is not so negative for you.