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Discussion in 'Transformers' started by Hunter Rider, Feb 7, 2007.
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I love Bay's hair, but I hate his directing. I'm so conflicted.
I just like the name of the thread.
This whole project has been serious ups and downs for me. On one hand, I can accept the designs. BUT they NEED to act like themselves. Which, as we sort of know, they don't. Plus I can't stand Bay. I don't own a single one of his movies because they have NO re-watchable value to me. They are just big, loud, one time popcorn flicks. And that's all. Sure, he'll make the movie pretty and loud. Explosions, insane editing, flashy CGI, but after that, it's over. No depth, no desire to watch it again. He was never a fan of TF, and he's just a big budget Uwe Boll. All flare and no soul to his art. Every time I see something I don't like, I can't say "Oh well, I'm sure the director will make it work."
Plus the lack of mouths annoys the hell out of me. "They're alien robots, they don't need mouths!!" Well, Barricade and Megs had a mouth. Then they took Barricade's mouth away. Is it simply so they don't have to animate mouths, and can wait until a week away to cast voice actors? These things have ugly ass faces. No one will care when they die or cry, because they're so freakin' horrible looking. I hate Bay(and co.)!!
that made me laugh but...
Bonecrusher? What about him?
eww, it looks a weird insect thing. Point taken.
things i hate about this movie so far:
1) michael bay was not given enough creative control
2) spike does not have the robotic suit that he had in the old cartoon so he can act like a tranformer
3) not enough cgi renderings have been released of the characters. people base the way the characters will look in the movie off of toys, and we all know that the toys do not properly represent who the characters will look in the movie.
4) i hate that jazz is a hard top, not because jazz should be a convertable, but there is not a hard top version of the solstice on the market.
2d car-toon 2d car-toon
plus! not enough 2d stile ah?
something more NOcreative
Michael Bay is the director, he has full creative control. Anything done by the writers, designers or artists has to be okayed by him.
Spike never had a robotic exosuit, save for having it briefly in the movie. Daniel was the one who had one, and the only one to ever transform with it. He transformed both into a car and then later to the head of Arcee (and also transformed the arms into a blaster once). And it wasn't even introduced until season 3, wasn't heavily used until season 4.
you now about "sarcasm"?
Oh I realize Tad is purposefully posting things people will get on him for, we have a name for that around here. But if he is going to do so he ought to get his facts straight about the show first.
its still not enough
thanks for proving that i'm right! why even make this point, i said i wanted sam to have the suit, you said that sam did wear the suit. way to go, thanks for the assist, i've never made a slam dunk before.
I hate the script with all my heart.
please don't try to start a fight in this thread, you're ruining it for everyone else.
Daniel wore the suit, however it is said to be his fathers...but Daniel wears the suit.
Congrats, you've actually never seen the show...because not in one episode does Spike ever wear the suit, nor did he ever "transform" in it...only Daniel had that capability.
I too share you hatred for the script.
I will also never forgive the guy that decided Starscream would make a sweet looking chicken .
The only things I really hated about the script was the lame ass jokes/gags, and a ton of the horrid dialogue.
I hate the script, and the cliche'd plot within.
Bay must be stopped. No matter the cost.
Is Negatron related to Negrodamus?
"White people like Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumble look like Malcom X"
Just posted this on TFW2005
1) From the get go it was heavily stated fans would have a TON of say in the project. Going so far as to allow us the ability to "make Prime talk" and "pick our top 5 supporting characters on both factions". Not to mention setting up the Don Murphy Boards with the EXPRESSED purpose of getting fan input.
2) Ignoring fan input. Ignoring fan input is always a bad idea, for while trailers and sneak previews sell your product, only fans can bring it to the forefront. Nolan did not ignore fan input, yet he did not set up boards claiming he was getting any either. He read the SOURCE MATERIAL and from there used smart and talented writers to adapt it...something I fear this franchise hasn't done. at all.
But let's use an example more close to home. Remember Beast Wars, the one this movie gets falsely compared to. When that project was underway the writers contacted the top Transformers fans at Alt.Toys.Transformers and constantly went to them for advice and continuity issues. As a result the new series was a HUGE homage to the original. Not only were fans a part of the process, they had creative control and even were mentioned by name in the show itself (A-T-T, Hooks, M Sipher).
Going to rabid fans on a message board to collect random phrases and characters they like is a bad idea. My top five Transformers should never appear in an introductory film together. ever. However I am a capable writer, and if I were writing this film I would compromise huge parts of my fandom to write it.
Take a look at my current fan scripts over at "the Fan Fiction" section, I change some of those Transformers to fit characters their tech specs would totally disagree with. However I do it out of the need to create an interesting story. So I change them, but I change them with RESPECT to fandom. Just like Beast Wars.
Michael Bay runs counter to my, the Beast Wars creators and Christopher Nolan's philosophy. Michael Bay doesn't want REAL input, what he goes for is fan appeasement. Casting Cullen, running fan polls are all superficial ways of garnering fan support. Contacting Simon Furman for story advice, Ben Yee for fan references and tibits on characters, contacting Jim Shooter and Budinski (and O'Neil) to get a feel for the original concept are REAL ways of producing a fan supported picture. Just as Rodrigeuz went to Frank Miller, as did Nolan (went to the TPBs of Batman) when making their films.
The way these guys have gone about making this film is appauling and unprofessional. Telling fans to "f*** off" after making reasonable arguments for change. Lying directly to fans faces about Megatron and Starscream's relationship in the script. Calling the originals "big blocky crap" to an interviewer that just wanted to ask you a very nice question. So essentially while in one breath talking about how "we want fan input" in action they have sought none.
And we'll see where it gets them.
However to make an interesting parrallel to all that is going on...let's look at a friend of this place: Don Figeuora. Don is drawing "Transformers Prequel" and it looks great...and even in the first few pages I can see small yet important changes made to this storyline which actually make it good. And all it took was a FAN to make something out of it. And that's the point, Don took something very different and from what I can see...I WANT IT BAD. But Don understands and appreciates the fandom. He appreciates the groundwork laid down by Furman, Budinski, Bob Forward and anyone else involved and he knows how to synthesize it into something new. Just like Nolan, just like Raimi and just like Jackson...but unfortunately not like Bay.
"Spike never had a robotic exosuit, save for having it briefly in the movie"
I JUST got the title puns for these threads