New Avengers vs. Old Avengers: Pros and Cons

[roach]

See, I didn't know that... that's ANOTHER reason why New Avengers can suck my left testicle... and if it doesn't say 'please sir I want some more', well i'll just stop buying it... i'm such a hypocrite

no need to worry about hurting someone who disolves when hit hard enough

 

[Sentry2005]

no need to worry about hurting someone who disolves when hit hard enough

Exactly. I mean, god, the FF didn't go "Ok, lets take down Galactus... but we don't want to hurt him."

If the Ninja's are attacking you, you take them down. You try and do it with out causing any mortalities, but if they just vapourise when hit anyway, ****ing go for it!

 

[The Question]

not to forget that the Hand are a demon ninja clan whos lowest warriors disolve when defeated

No, they're not. They do have mystically capable members, but most members of the Hand are asian guys in red suits who are really good at making things dead.

 

[Trigger]

But, vaporising is cooler.

 

[roach]

No, they're not. They do have mystically capable members, but most members of the Hand are asian guys in red suits who are really good at making things dead.

almost every time I have seen them they have disolved....like in the Uncanny Xmen issue when Cap and Logan met for the first time

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Regardless of whether they're magical or not, most of the individual members of the New Avengers have kicked hordes of Hand ninjas' asses on their own before.

 

[Darthphere]

Regardless of whether they're magical or not, most of the individual members of the New Avengers have kicked hordes of Hand ninjas' asses on their own before.

Bendis: It'll be cool if the New Avengers fought ninjas, theyve never done that in an Avengers book! Originality!

Fanboy1:Theres a reason for that *****ebag.

Bendis: Quiet, my book sells so youre just 6-8 people who hate the book.

 

[roach]

From Wiki....

The most evil and devious of all these ninja was most certainly a faction called the Hand. Unlike the other factions, the Hand did not work as mercenaries, but sought power themselves. The Hand sought dominance over all others, worked for no one but themselves, and sought to eliminate their enemies. From the very beginning, the Hand employed Dark magic, imparted unto them by their demonic master, The Beast. One of these black spells causes a Hand ninja's lifeless body to return to dust and prevent another from gazing upon his countenance.

 

[The Question]

Dude. I thought The Hand were mercenairies. I'm confused.

 

[Dread]

Regardless of whether they're magical or not, most of the individual members of the New Avengers have kicked hordes of Hand ninjas' asses on their own before.

Most individual HEROES have kicked hordes of the Hands' asses on their own. Daredevil could lay waste to armies of them with just a friggin' billy club. Any character who can swing a broom around could beat the Hand. If you throw a rock in any direction in the Marvel Universe, legend has it, it will hit and TKO a Hand ninja. They've been THAT overused and they've become THAT easy, so much so that if other heroes start losing to them, it's not, "wow, those ninja are tough", it's "wow, those heroes suck."

Of course, by the "the Avengers have never fought ____ before" (albeit for good reason), does that mean we'll see them fight cyborg monkeys at some point? I'll bet WIZARD would have an orgasm if that happened. They're crazy about monkeys.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Who isn't?

 

[Doc Destruction]

Bendis: It'll be cool if the New Avengers fought ninjas, theyve never done that in an Avengers book! Originality!

Fanboy1:Theres a reason for that *****ebag.

Bendis: Quiet, my book sells so youre just 6-8 people who hate the book.

Now, here's the very sad thing.

It COULD have been cool as hell. Bendis has good ideas, and ZERO idea how to use them.

What if the Hand had attacked the Avengers and got torched, so in turn, the Hand sent in ninjas like Kasugi the everliving? A whole squad of mystically powered, super ninjas?

Same goes for Electro. I thought for sure we'd see a balls-out fight with a fully charged, newly confident Electro. Instead, we got the smarmy pass-out crap scene to show us how funny and clever Bendis is.

 

[Dread]

Who isn't?

Me. I don't see the appeal. IMO, comics are full of too many talking apes or monkeys as is. It harkens back to Golden Age cheese that is better left forgotten, like drawing Japanese with big teeth and green skin.

 

[The Question]

I like cyber monkies.

 

[roach]

with lazer eyes

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Me. I don't see the appeal. IMO, comics are full of too many talking apes or monkeys as is. It harkens back to Golden Age cheese that is better left forgotten, like drawing Japanese with big teeth and green skin.

I can't get enough monkeys. They're more fun than a barrel of themselves.

 

[The Question]

with lazer eyes

That's a given.

I can't get enough monkeys. They're more fun than a barrel of themselves.

I have an idea for a comic book series (which, by the way, is epic on a Tenacious D level if I do say so myself), and I'm thinking I'd have one of the characters' college roommates be a talking monkey. Not a super hero or anything. Just a talking monkey. Who majors in art history.

 

[Trigger]

Why art history?

 

[Sentry2005]

Why art history?

Because if it was 20th Century History, it would be a Futurama rip off

 

[The Question]

And since he's from a secret society of talking apes in Africa, he'd have an easier time with art history than important history. Also, he wants top break the steriotype of his people being either super villains or super heroes by becoming a museum curator.

 

[Varient]

I'll bite.


- Kang always had a stupid costume. There, I said it. Galactus in a tutu would look scarier.

Dread,.. "Handle Your Business"
(Translation to "less" ghetto by volume - You Go Boy.)

Reading your reasoning always does one of two things:
1. verbalizes what I know/feel about the subject.
2. Gives me a spin on something I may not have considered.

Like two or three others here, (Cap'n Stacy comes immediately to mind), you do alot of cutting to the quick with who/why/how.

Props.

 

[Willowhugger]

Because, quite simply, they aren't the Avengers. Seriously, have them take on Kang. Please. I beg you. I'd laugh my arse off. Hey, lets have them take on Count Nefaria, as that too would be HILARIOUS. They AREN'T the worlds mightiest heroes... it's pretty much that which puts me off of this team being called Avengers.

Well they could take on Magneto....oh wait, they did and won. Ditto the thing that killed Alpha Flight (not that they'll stay dead). Or something like the Void....

Yes, Kang whom got killed by the Young Avengers. ;-)

Yeah, they have a current added "It's not as strong as it could be vibe" but that's a SELLING point to me.

 

[The Question]

Count Nefaria is basically Lex Luthor in Superman's body. He's Thor's physical equal and Cap and Tony's intelectual equal. If he ever showed up again, the New Avengers would go down in about five minutes.





'Course, bendis would probably have him faint at the thought of Luke Cage punching him.

 

[Sentry2005]

Well they could take on Magneto....oh wait, they did and won. Ditto the thing that killed Alpha Flight (not that they'll stay dead). Or something like the Void....

Yes, Kang whom got killed by the Young Avengers. ;-)

Yeah, they have a current added "It's not as strong as it could be vibe" but that's a SELLING point to me.

Kang who got killed by a time anomally he himself created (the younger version of him). Magneto was possessed by the collective. And if you read one of my first posts in this thread I said the Annual and the Collective showed us glimpses of what the Avengers should be. It doesn't add up that they can take on the Collective and the Super Adaptoid, but struggle with Sauron and Electro.

 

[Dread]

Dread,.. "Handle Your Business"
(Translation to "less" ghetto by volume - You Go Boy.)

Reading your reasoning always does one of two things:
1. verbalizes what I know/feel about the subject.
2. Gives me a spin on something I may not have considered.

Like two or three others here, (Cap'n Stacy comes immediately to mind), you do alot of cutting to the quick with who/why/how.

Props.

Thanks, although I inadvertantly started a digression into monkeys.

I'm not saying Kang as a villian is bad, nor am I saying he should be in black leather, which is all most artists these days can do to "revamp" someone, but out of many, many, MANY villians, I've always found his get-up to be one of the silliest to look at. Cosmic types like Galactus can get away with that because they're all omnipotent, but Kang's reduced to going, "Um, in 2,000 years, this'll be in style."