New Avengers vs. Old Avengers: Pros and Cons

[Elijya]

con - this team makes absolutely no sense. Why is Wolverine there? Seriously? I get that Iron Man was looking for someone with an "edge", he said, but The Avengers, even the NEW Avengers, is not an organization that it really makes any sense for Wolverine to be apart of. Especially when he's 60 other places a month. Wolverine is a loner, he doesn't like authority, he's only with the X-Men because they have a worthwhile cause and they gave him a home. He doesn't need a second home with the Avengers, and they don't have any cause they fight for in particular. He doesn't follow orders, I haven't seen him do anything really useful since he got there. He's JUST there for the sales boost, his presense makes no other sense.

Why is Sentry on this team? He's more powerful than all of them put together, and he barely shows up anyway.

Why is Ronin on the team? Why wasn't she just a guest star? she only appeared in one story.

Why is Spider-Woman on this team? I gave Bendis a fair chance to make her interesting to me, been reading NA and tried the SW: Origin mini, and I'm completely bored with the character.

Now, Cap, IM, Spidey and Luke all work rather well, I think, and I could have understood one or two of the above, but not all of them. There were better characters that could have worked in this group dynamic instead of these ones just being nonsensicly squeezed together.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Fanboys are getting their wish with TWO Bendis written Avengers titles?

No.

And, um, we're ALL fanboys here, so using that as a slang term on this board is a serious lapse of intelligence.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Pro - The line up sells well.

Con - The certainly are NOT Earth's Mightest Heroes. In fact, pretty much all they've done so far is lose and fight one another. I'm sure the world feels safe now.

 

[roach]

My issue is that the Avengers always showcased people who werent seen else where. Yes you could pick up a Cap book or an IM book but if you like Hawkeye Avengers was the only place for his stories. Now you take Spider-man and Wolverine and throw them in this book....who appear in everyone's book. As an Avengers fan the very concept was changed. If im a fan of 24 do I not have the right to complain if Kiefer Sutherland is replaced by Lindsay Lohan because she is a big draw. My other issue is that everyone else who was ever an Avenger was sent to limbo. What were Wasp,Giantman,Wonderman,Tigra,Falcon,Sersi and the countless others doing up until now.

 

[Darthphere]

God, this thread makes me sick.

 

[roach]

if NA is selling like they say it is then why would a few fanboys get them to change it back????

 

[Darthphere]

Ill just cackle in my room at all the NA fans not getting an issue for 2 months.

 

[Sentry2005]

God, this thread makes me sick.

Every thread makes you feel sick.

 

[Darthphere]

Shut up.

 

[hippy fascist]

damn you it had finally started to get interesting again as well!

 

[Sentry2005]

Shut up.

You shut up... big meanie face

 

[hippie_hunter]

It is quite obvious that Marvel is trying to go with the JLA route with the Avengers in New Avengers, but there is just a much better way of doing it if you ask me.

Keep Iron Man, Captain America, and Spider-Man. They are some of Marvel's biggest characters and would be needed for the JLA-esqe style of having the big names.

Put in the Hulk. Not only is he a big name, but he also extremely powerful. I bet that the Avengers wouldn't have trouble with freaking ninajs with the Hulk on the team. Plus he was a founding member of the team too, so he does have a past with them despite being rather short.

Put in Thor, not only is he also a founding member but he is also one of Marvel's biggest names. And like the Hulk, he is also extremely powerful.

Put in Yellowjacket (or whatever name Hank Pym wants to use) and the Wasp. Again, these guys have had a long history with the Avengers and were founding members.

Daredevil, put him in because he's a big name and he kicks extreme ass.

With a team like this you have a variation of powers. A god. An incredibly smart man with technological powerful armor. A super soldier. A man who can do anything a spider can. A man who can grow. A woman who can shrink. A not so golly green giant with incredible strength. A man with superior senses and is one of the best fighters in the 616. Yes, there are still street fighters (Captain America, Spider-Man, Daredevil), at least there is some power variation with JLA-esque big names on the team

 

[The Question]

Not sure about Daredevil. Never been a fan of street level heroes with no or very low level super powers on big teams like that. It's why I'm one of the few who prefers a League without Batman. And the only times I can stand Batman, and the reason I can stand Cap, is when he's portrayed as the tactical analyst and head of more covert espionoge type missions and not an actuall participant in combat againts the bad guys.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Not sure about Daredevil. Never been a fan of street level heroes with no or very low level super powers on big teams like that. It's why I'm one of the few who prefers a League without Batman.

Batman rocks on the Justice League. And so does Green Arrow

 

[The Question]

Truthfully, theyn just don't fit for me. I mean, let's say the team's fighting Darkseid. The Lord of Apokolips smacks Superman and Wonder Woman aside, and then Ollie fires a few shafts at him. The most reaction he'd get is 'Seid turning to him and saying "How quaint."

 

[Doc Destruction]

What if that's followed by a massive right puch to the jaw from Superman then? That's a distraction. I'd say that's doing a good job.

 

[The Question]

True. And it might work on someone who's really really stupid. But Darkseid is far from that. If anything, he'd probably just ignore Green Arrow and concentrait on the actual threats.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Truthfully, theyn just don't fit for me. I mean, let's say the team's fighting Darkseid. The Lord of Apokolips smacks Superman and Wonder Woman aside, and then Ollie fires a few shafts at him. The most reaction he'd get is 'Seid turning to him and saying "How quaint."

That would be awesome dammit

 

[The Question]

Well, yeah. But not in any way that shows Ollie should be a member of the League.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Regardless, the Avengers aren't the JLA, nor should they be. They were more the underdogs triumphing over threats that probably should've been out of their league with teamwork and perseverance. Now they're the team that bickers internally until it explodes into full-scale conflict, has members who are apparently on the team arbitrarily at best, and has trouble against threats they should all be able to take individually.

 

[Elijya]

yes, but while superman's duking it out with Darkseid, Green Arrow's running around his fortress disarming his Doomsday machine, or whatever

 

[Elijya]

and DD should never join a team. Closest he's ever been is the "Marvel Knights" and that was terrible.

Team-ups? yes. Join a team? no

 

[Doc Destruction]

Exactly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

and DD should never join a team. Closest he's ever been is the "Marvel Knights" and that was terrible.

Team-ups? yes. Join a team? no

What's wrong with Daredevil's joining a team?

 

[Varient]

con - this team makes absolutely no sense. Why is Wolverine there? Seriously?
Why is Sentry on this team? He's more powerful than all of them put together, and he barely shows up anyway.
Why is Ronin on the team? Why wasn't she just a guest star? she only appeared in one story.
Why is Spider-Woman on this team? I gave Bendis a fair chance to make her interesting to me, been reading NA and tried the SW: Origin mini, and I'm completely bored with the character.

Now, Cap, IM, Spidey and Luke all work rather well, I think, and I could have understood one or two of the above, but not all of them. There were better characters that could have worked in this group dynamic instead of these ones just being nonsensicly squeezed together.

(Smile)
Make sense?

We shouldn't go there.
Sense would be never including a trick shooter with a criminal record who started out fighting one of your founding members.
Sense would be never accepting a "machine" who was originally designed to kill the avengers supposidly built by an enemy, (ultron),
Sense would be not accepting a man given powers to beat avengers + thor who tried hard enough to die.
Sense would be not letting a member handle heavy equiptment cause he was a drunk.
Sense would be throwing the wife beater in Jail
Sense would be the three tokens refusing to join
Sense would mean resolving issues the first time instead of Infinite Ultron (for example)


Sense would be seriously going back to basics,... a group comes together and fights something that one hero can't combat.
They go through a shake down period.
They then get down to brass tacks where the rubber meets the road.


Still no heat because this is moot,... New avengers as complained about is over - but we can't put "sense" to a team that has gone thru the stuff/history the avengers have.

Peace.