NEW OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS -The Norton's Touch

[Strange]

Again with the cure thing, most casual fans will automatically relate it to the first Fantastic Four movie where the Thing gets his cure but decides to change back to help his friends. I don't think the people behind the film want to do something original because these types of movies are not cheap to make so they want a sure thing or as close to that as possible.

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Sava, your resigned apathy is depressing all the way from London, but help me understand something: You say you don't want "been there, done that" but when Sarg92 comes up with an ending that would clearly play right into our expectations, you say "that I like." ???

Hulk punching toward the screen to the tune of "That will show that Bruce's cure never worked and Bruce still has to search for one when we know there isn't one." Where is the particular cutting-edge aspect to be found in a movie where we already know the outcome? Isn't punching toward the screen a bit cliche?

Don't get me wrong. I think Sarg's ending could be awesome... but it's the persevering sour attitude you express over seemingly everything about this movie that strikes me. After Sarg spends a few posts explaining how a brick-throwing scene could be impressive, for example, you come back with, "yeah , it could look good i guess ".

What's the deal, dude? Have you just made up your mind that you're going to be pathetic, no matter what?

About the new/original story idea, you said, "thats the problem, they can come up with a new story but it will be a huge risk, they could follow what happens in the comics but i dont think you want to see it, or most Hulk fans either." I asked you this once before, only to have CJ come to your rescue, but I come back to the question: What great "new story" do you have in mind that deserves to be told? If it's so completely under-the-radar that even "most Hulk fans" wouldn't want to see it, then why should it be made?

Seriously. Are you not just sulking? Throwing your own pity party? Seems no matter what news is announced, you'll find something negative to attach yourself to.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Will Banner find one and lose it? ...Will Abomination destroy it?

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[Bannerless Hulk]

^Interesting video. Had never seen that. Is that other dude supposed to be Abomination? It's funny how they just sort of stare at each other... Hulk looks at him like he's his long lost prodigal brother or something. Also loved how the TV show in general allowed for the drama to be played up. It's a lost art anymore. Everything today is so instantaneous that even the build-up of anger seems to require nothing. The excessive growling by the pseudo-Abomb character also was cheesy, but it contributed to the build-up. Thanks for posting!

 

[Sava]

Sava, your resigned apathy is depressing all the way from London, but help me understand something: You say you don't want "been there, done that" but when Sarg92 comes up with an ending that would clearly play right into our expectations, you say "that I like." ???

Hulk punching toward the screen to the tune of "That will show that Bruce's cure never worked and Bruce still has to search for one when we know there isn't one." Where is the particular cutting-edge aspect to be found in a movie where we already know the outcome? Isn't punching toward the screen a bit cliche?

Don't get me wrong. I think Sarg's ending could be awesome... but it's the persevering sour attitude you express over seemingly everything about this movie that strikes me. After Sarg spends a few posts explaining how a brick-throwing scene could be impressive, for example, you come back with, "yeah , it could look good i guess ".

What's the deal, dude? Have you just made up your mind that you're going to be pathetic, no matter what?

About the new/original story idea, you said, "thats the problem, they can come up with a new story but it will be a huge risk, they could follow what happens in the comics but i dont think you want to see it, or most Hulk fans either." I asked you this once before, only to have CJ come to your rescue, but I come back to the question: What great "new story" do you have in mind that deserves to be told? If it's so completely under-the-radar that even "most Hulk fans" wouldn't want to see it, then why should it be made?

Seriously. Are you not just sulking? Throwing your own pity party? Seems no matter what news is announced, you'll find something negative to attach yourself to.

no, if they had to use a cure, i dont really want them to, if they had to use a cure angle, then i would like Sarge's take or something like it. But i would still prefer them not to use it.

the brick throwing scene, i'm not happy about it, it still looks childish but i didnt want to talk about it anymore, hence, the " " part at the end of my post. It could look good and fun but i'm not happy about it.

I'm not a writer, i didnt have 1 year to write a story but try and follow the comic book more, since people liked b**ching that the first didnt follow it blah blah blah. Have Banner come to the conclusion that Gama Radaition is the only thing that can kill Hulk, show him trying to find a cure for years but always failing, all this time, Atheon, owned by Sterns, sends a spy to find Banner's work, Blonsky, Banner comes back, trys to use the gama sphere or what ever he creates to use on himself, guards burst in, stop him, arrest him. Blonsky, after hiding in the room, walks infront of the thing to take pics and what not, but during the struggle to arrest Banner, the machine gets turned on, Emil gets hit with Radiation, turns in Abomi, Sterns watches from a far and waits for his moment, take it from there. Any half decent writer could take that and make it into something good.

i have been negative about Penn and the cure, even LL i think can pull through with a good writer. Oh, and NYC.

the thing is, in the comics, when ever Bruce was "cured", its always been by villains or other super powered people, he never himself finds it.

 

[November Rain]

I wonder if the dark knight and iron man are also going to have cure storylines in them,it seems to be the norm these days...

 

[Sava]

I wonder if the dark knight and iron man are also going to have cure storylines in them,it seems to be the norm these days...

they should, cause all the cool superhero movies have them

 

[November Rain]

it's the superhero movie code....

actually batman has already covered a cure of somesort in batman and robin....



how strange...

 

[Sava]

it's the superhero movie code....

actually batman has already covered a cure of somesort in batman and robin....



how strange...

really?

 

[November Rain]

a cure for alfred because mr freeze had an antidote to the first stage of a terminal disease, the same disease his wife had...

he was looking for a potential cure to save her before poison ivy framed her death and he went a lil manic...

 

[Sava]

great, thats one more to the list

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

Okay Sava, you say this:

no, if they had to use a cure, i dont really want them to, if they had to use a cure angle, then i would like Sarge's take or something like it. But i would still prefer them not to use it.

But then you say this:

(IM and TDK) should (have cure storylines), cause all the cool superhero movies have them.

Were you being sarcastic in the second quote?

I'm not a writer, i didnt have 1 year to write a story but try and follow the comic book more, since people liked b**ching that the first didnt follow it blah blah blah. Have Banner come to the conclusion that Gama Radaition is the only thing that can kill Hulk, show him trying to find a cure for years but always failing, all this time, Atheon, owned by Sterns, sends a spy to find Banner's work, Blonsky, Banner comes back, trys to use the gama sphere or what ever he creates to use on himself, guards burst in, stop him, arrest him. Blonsky, after hiding in the room, walks infront of the thing to take pics and what not, but during the struggle to arrest Banner, the machine gets turned on, Emil gets hit with Radiation, turns in Abomi, Sterns watches from a far and waits for his moment, take it from there. Any half decent writer could take that and make it into something good.

A nice try at something original... have to give you credit. However, isn't the idea of Emil becoming Abomination via an accident "been there, done that"? Isn't that repeating the first Hulk movie all over again (the way Krenzler/Banner becomes the Hulk)? Or is it more your desire that TIH follow the comics rather than avoid another "been there, done that" scenario? I'm trying to get what it is that'll make you happy, come June 13, but clearly, based on things you've said, it's not the "been there, done that" scenes that offend you so much as it is your insistence that the movie not stray from the comics. I mean, in one post, you took the focus of this thread from being heavily on the cure to the way Abomination comes into being, using accidental-type origins (which we've seen before).

And what about the cure. Your storyline for Abomb is nice, but that's only one scene. I realize you're not a writer, but put yourself in his shoes: You have to make an entire movie on the Hulk. What storylines will appeal to the masses but not alienate the fan base? Someone suggests bringing a cure into the storyline. How are you going to handle it? What's going to be the focus of your movie?

As I've said before, I don't think the cure will be the focus - rather, Hulk's heroism will - but you've made a point to complain about the cure with each new synopsis that's released. Clearly, it's an issue for you because it's, in your words, "been there, done that"... but you really don't provide us with a better alternative. You said "the thing is, in the comics, when ever Bruce was 'cured', its always been by villains or other super powered people, he never himself finds it." So then, we come back to the question: How are you - as the writer - going to handle the cure and, if you're not going to use it, then what better storyline do you have to fill its place?

Finally, you said, "i have been negative about Penn and the cure, even LL i think can pull through with a good writer. Oh, and NYC." Isn't that what we have? Are you not sold on Norton?

 

[antsiou]

Okay Sava, you say this:
But then you say this:
Were you being sarcastic in the second quote?

I gather he was

Originally Posted by Sava
I'm not a writer, i didnt have 1 year to write a story but try and follow the comic book more, since people liked b**ching that the first didnt follow it blah blah blah. Have Banner come to the conclusion that Gama Radaition is the only thing that can kill Hulk, show him trying to find a cure for years but always failing, all this time, Atheon, owned by Sterns, sends a spy to find Banner's work, Blonsky, Banner comes back, trys to use the gama sphere or what ever he creates to use on himself, guards burst in, stop him, arrest him. Blonsky, after hiding in the room, walks infront of the thing to take pics and what not, but during the struggle to arrest Banner, the machine gets turned on, Emil gets hit with Radiation, turns in Abomi, Sterns watches from a far and waits for his moment, take it from there. Any half decent writer could take that and make it into something good.

My main issue with this story, is that Sterns Owns atheon... would you see him as just Stern, or already as the leader?? (please don't say leader )
I like how the radiation being the only thing that can kill the hulk

Spoiler

as show in future Imperfect, when The Maestro is send back in time, on ground zero and being killed by the very same explosion that created the hulk (then Maestro)

Some good opinion for both of you Sava and Bannerless, but one will always object that this is too much this or too little that...

 

[Sava]

But then you say this:



Were you being sarcastic in the second quote?

i was

A nice try at something original... have to give you credit. However, isn't the idea of Emil becoming Abomination via an accident "been there, done that"? Isn't that repeating the first Hulk movie all over again (the way Krenzler/Banner becomes the Hulk)? Or is it more your desire that TIH follow the comics rather than avoid another "been there, done that" scenario? I'm trying to get what it is that'll make you happy, come June 13, but clearly, based on things you've said, it's not the "been there, done that" scenes that offend you so much as it is your insistence that the movie not stray from the comics. I mean, in one post, you took the focus of this thread from being heavily on the cure to the way Abomination comes into being, using accidental-type origins (which we've seen before).

Abomination as a character is "been there done that", he is the yang to Hulk ying, isnt he?... he is the Hulk but just badder and without the power up thing. You have a character that is just like the hero, why add another thing thats been done?

And what about the cure. Your storyline for Abomb is nice, but that's only one scene. I realize you're not a writer, but put yourself in his shoes: You have to make an entire movie on the Hulk. What storylines will appeal to the masses but not alienate the fan base? Someone suggests bringing a cure into the storyline. How are you going to handle it? What's going to be the focus of your movie?

like you said, i'm no writer but the comics do have good stories that the movies could use. I really havent thought about this, cause i cant write worth a damn. I'd have Bruce come back to sacrifice himself and save the world from Hulk (but you dont like that, and CJ). Show Bruce being more and more isolated. He's not the man he once was, he shuts himself off and he's on drugs/pills all the time to try and control Hulk. He's so alone that the only other person he knows is the Hulk. THere's no cure but he doesnt want to believe it, he keeps experimenting on himself to find a way but it never works. Meanwhile, the Hulk-outs last longer and longer and Bruce feels like the Hulk is slowly taking over, that one day, Hulk wont change back. Show him keeping an eye on Betty, he sees her moving on with life and this only makes him even more depressed. Emil, i believe he had a family in the comics, show him as a family man but a ruthless spy, he does what he needs to get the job done. Sterns could be one of those corporate figures that run Aethoen, he's a guy we hear about through out the movie but we dont see him, no one does, everyone respects and fear him but no one knows what he looks like. Ross, i wouldnt have him as a crazy general, i'd have him as a concerened father, who knows he hasnt been there fo his child and is now trying to make up for it by being too protective. Talbot should be in this too, he could be the guy Betty moves on with. He's model soldier, does the right thing, puts his life at risk to save others, a real man's man. After the accident, you could have Bruce trying to stop Abomination because of guilt, he ruined a man's life (Emil), created a moster thats even stronger than Hulk and feels responsble for the lives that Abomi has taken. Abomintion will obvioulsy lose his family, he blames Bruce/ Hulk for that and wants to take people Bruce loves away from him (Betty) and sets out to kill her, no kidnap her and then talk to the hero bulls**t, just straight out kill her. Hulk wants to stop Abomination cause 1) he beats the s**t out of him when they first fight 2) cause he wants to harm Betty. Sterns watches all this from a far, he has been the leader long before Hulk ever came to exist. His companty is known for building robots and other stuff like that. Final fight, 3 way battle with Abomantion vs Hulk vs Army taking place in an evacuated city somewhere. Hulk wins, kills Abomantion. He walks away from everyone. The End. I wrote all that down as it came to me, i'm sure it sounds s**t.

As I've said before, I don't think the cure will be the focus - rather, Hulk's heroism will - but you've made a point to complain about the cure with each new synopsis that's released. Clearly, it's an issue for you because it's, in your words, "been there, done that"... but you really don't provide us with a better alternative. You said "the thing is, in the comics, when ever Bruce was 'cured', its always been by villains or other super powered people, he never himself finds it." So then, we come back to the question: How are you - as the writer - going to handle the cure and, if you're not going to use it, then what better storyline do you have to fill its place?

i think what i said above covers this.

Finally, you said, "i have been negative about Penn and the cure, even LL i think can pull through with a good writer. Oh, and NYC." Isn't that what we have? Are you not sold on Norton?

yeah, i'm sold on Norton, i was talking about before, LL is 50-50, with a good writer, he can deliver, Penn isnt one IMO, thats why i complained. I dont like that fact that they started shooting too late.

 

[Sava]

I gather he was

yeah, i forgot to add a smile

My main issue with this story, is that Sterns Owns atheon... would you see him as just Stern, or already as the leader?? (please don't say leader )
I like how the radiation being the only thing that can kill the hulk

Spoiler

as show in future Imperfect, when The Maestro is send back in time, on ground zero and being killed by the very same explosion that created the hulk (then Maestro)

in the comics, Sterns was introduced as the Leader it looked like He had been the leader for years, way before Bruce was Hulk. I'd have Sterns as a guy who owns Aethoen but someone that no one sees, they've heard stories about him, they fear him and all that but we/them dont get to see him until the very end.

Some good opinion for both of you Sava and Bannerless, but one will always object that this is too much this or too little that...

yeah, but arguing is fun .. who wants to get along and have the same opinion as everyone?

 

[antsiou]

yeah, i forgot to add a smile



in the comics, Sterns was introduced as the Leader it looked like He had been the leader for years, way before Bruce was Hulk. I'd have Sterns as a guy who owns Aethoen but someone that no one sees, they've heard stories about him, they fear him and all that but we/them dont get to see him until the very end.
yeah, but arguing is fun .. who wants to get along and have the same opinion as everyone?

the f##kin smiley SAVA, when will you learn t:

anyway,
I've asked that already about Sterns, like i wasn't too familiar with his origin so i did a bit of research

I know wikipedia ain't always right but

Samuel Sterns was once an ordinary human being with average intelligence. A high school dropout, Sterns worked for a chemical research plant in a menial capacity. While moving radioactive materials into an underground storage area, some of the radioactive materials exploded, bombarding Sterns with gamma radiation. Sterns recovered, but found that the radiation had changed him from an ordinary human into a green-skinned, super-intelligent criminal with an oversized brain housed in a towering cranium.

So if they are kinda true to the comic, and pleasing you, we should have an idea of why he didn't got kill dead ciao bye arrivederci when bombarded with Gamma radiation (you know radiation kills )

(and I hope they keep the leader out of the picture, only Sterns for now, teasing us for the leader in the sequel (a la Connor in SM)

Your story, kinda reminds me of BB (a secret organisation runned by a secret shadow powerful figure) or one of the possible IM story disccused on the IM forum (the mandarin being there, in the background pulling strings...)

Not a bad one though, just i don't see it as better than the "un-original, seen many times" cure storyline...

point is, with a pattern, a common point that would appeal to the most audience, how do they pull up a good story...

I'd rather see a simple story where every details is nailed perfectly with little plot holes, than a complicated "original" story that will just seem overly in-understandable...

If they stick to that synopsis (which they will), now that Penn is out, and Norton in, let's say that his final changes and stuff, are the "nailing down" "make it work" part of it...

yeah, but arguing is fun .. who wants to get along and have the same opinion as everyone?

And I think you are so right, arguing is fun, I have the same opinion as you
(double smiley for double layer of smartness)

 

[Sava]

the f##kin smiley SAVA, when will you learn t:

i spallz itz the wey i wanz 2

anyway,
I've asked that already about Sterns, like i wasn't too familiar with his origin so i did a bit of research

I know wikipedia ain't always right but

So if they are kinda true to the comic, and pleasing you, we should have an idea of why he didn't got kill dead ciao bye arrivederci when bombarded with Gamma radiation (you know radiation kills )

(and I hope they keep the leader out of the picture, only Sterns for now, teasing us for the leader in the sequel (a la Connor in SM)

Your story, kinda reminds me of BB (a secret organisation runned by a secret shadow powerful figure) or one of the possible IM story disccused on the IM forum (the mandarin being there, in the background pulling strings...)

Not a bad one though, just i don't see it as better than the "un-original, seen many times" cure storyline...

point is, with a pattern, a common point that would appeal to the most audience, how do they pull up a good story...

I'd rather see a simple story where every details is nailed perfectly with little plot holes, than a complicated "original" story that will just seem overly in-understandable...

If they stick to that synopsis (which they will), now that Penn is out, and Norton in, let's say that his final changes and stuff, are the "nailing down" "make it work" part of it...

i know my story isnt better than what they have, and what they have isnt bad, yes its heart breaking to see Bruce so close to having a normal life but circumstances take that away from him. My point is, they could go another route, i just came up with all of that right then and there, if i was a good writer and i had a year, i could polish that up, take out the plot holes and all that jazz. In my story, you dont really see Leader until like that last 30secs of the movie, so all we get is sterns but him in the shadows, we get to know about him without really seeing him. I'd like to see them doing something new, cause they have enough things to worry about, they have to make people who hated the first one to see this, they have a villian who is very similar to the hero, right down to how he was created. This movie has to sell itself to the audience and redoing similar story lines isnt going to help.

And I think you are so right, arguing is fun, I have the same opinion as you
(double smiley for double layer of smartness)

yeah, arguing as helps increase the post count

 

[Cracker Jack]

I'd have Bruce come back to sacrifice himself and save the world from Hulk (but you dont like that, and CJ). Show Bruce being more and more isolated. He's not the man he once was, he shuts himself off and he's on drugs/pills all the time to try and control Hulk. He's so alone that the only other person he knows is the Hulk. THere's no cure but he doesnt want to believe it, he keeps experimenting on himself to find a way but it never works. Meanwhile, the Hulk-outs last longer and longer and Bruce feels like the Hulk is slowly taking over, that one day, Hulk wont change back. Show him keeping an eye on Betty, he sees her moving on with life and this only makes him even more depressed. Emil, i believe he had a family in the comics, show him as a family man but a ruthless spy, he does what he needs to get the job done. Sterns could be one of those corporate figures that run Aethoen, he's a guy we hear about through out the movie but we dont see him, no one does, everyone respects and fear him but no one knows what he looks like. Ross, i wouldnt have him as a crazy general, i'd have him as a concerened father, who knows he hasnt been there fo his child and is now trying to make up for it by being too protective. Talbot should be in this too, he could be the guy Betty moves on with. He's model soldier, does the right thing, puts his life at risk to save others, a real man's man. After the accident, you could have Bruce trying to stop Abomination because of guilt, he ruined a man's life (Emil), created a moster thats even stronger than Hulk and feels responsble for the lives that Abomi has taken. Abomintion will obvioulsy lose his family, he blames Bruce/ Hulk for that and wants to take people Bruce loves away from him (Betty) and sets out to kill her, no kidnap her and then talk to the hero bulls**t, just straight out kill her. Hulk wants to stop Abomination cause 1) he beats the s**t out of him when they first fight 2) cause he wants to harm Betty. Sterns watches all this from a far, he has been the leader long before Hulk ever came to exist. His companty is known for building robots and other stuff like that. Final fight, 3 way battle with Abomantion vs Hulk vs Army taking place in an evacuated city somewhere. Hulk wins, kills Abomantion. He walks away from everyone. The End. I wrote all that down as it came to me, i'm sure it sounds s**t.

How'd I get pulled into this thread?

Sava, I don't mind him sacrificing himself. Just not by suicide. Not yet anyways. The reason I say that is we’re trying to kick this thing off again and we don’t want any bleeding heart groups yelling “They show a man trying to kill himself in your PG-13 movie.” That wouldn’t go over to well I don’t think. Let’s get to know Banner first. Yes this movie takes place years after the Bomb (wishful thinking). We know that and we know the character but the audience doesn’t. Let them get to know him first so they can sympathize with him in his act of desperation. It would play a lot better that way I think.

Secondly

Your story is pretty good. I few type O's but I'm not one to lecture on spelling A few things though, I kinda like the idea that he's losing control and the Hulk taking over. Hmmmmmm. The Abomy thing is ok to but Sterns should be a low level flunkey type who gets pushed aside or a janitor. He should be exposed to Gamma waste material via a spill or something like that during the final battle between Abomy and The Hulk. That would set up The Rampaging Hulk or H2 or has that been done? Anyways, Banner will always be looking for a cure. That’s a given, but there never being a cure or the possibility of one is kinda lame and paints you into a corner. What suspense is there if the audience knows that Banner can never be cured? None. It gets a little boring when you know that the good guy saves the day and gets the girl. There has to be the possibility that Banner can rid himself of the Hulk. That’s what kept me buying the comic as a kid. Will he ever find a cure? Tune in next week true believers until then

Excelsior

 

[Sava]

How'd I get pulled into this thread?

Sava, I don't mind him sacrificing himself. Just not by suicide. Not yet anyways. The reason I say that is we’re trying to kick this thing off again and we don’t want any bleeding heart groups yelling “They show a man trying to kill himself in your PG-13 movie.” That wouldn’t go over to well I don’t think. Let’s get to know Banner first. Yes this movie takes place years after the Bomb (wishful thinking). We know that and we know the character but the audience doesn’t. Let them get to know him first so they can sympathize with him in his act of desperation. It would play a lot better that way I think.

yeah, if i was really making this movie, the sacrificing part will be changed to "this might be the cure" part. I'd go with you on that.

Secondly

Your story is pretty good. I few type O's but I'm not one to lecture on spelling A few things though, I kinda like the idea that he's losing control and the Hulk taking over. Hmmmmmm. The Abomy thing is ok to but Sterns should be a low level flunkey type who gets pushed aside or a janitor. He should be exposed to Gamma waste material via a spill or something like that during the final battle between Abomy and The Hulk. That would set up The Rampaging Hulk or H2 or has that been done? Anyways, Banner will always be looking for a cure. That’s a given, but there never being a cure or the possibility of one is kinda lame and paints you into a corner. What suspense is there if the audience knows that Banner can never be cured? None. It gets a little boring when you know that the good guy saves the day and gets the girl. There has to be the possibility that Banner can rid himself of the Hulk. That’s what kept me buying the comic as a kid. Will he ever find a cure? Tune in next week true believers until then

Excelsior

1) thanks and yeah, type O's are fun

2) hmm... i had leader own Aethoen cause that would take away the Russia vs America thing when you have Emil being a spy for Russia. The Leader Origin would have been shown in flashbacks in the next one anyway, just like the way it is in the comics, only, he doesnt change after a while, he changes into a green freak right after being hit by Gama rays.

3) but wouldnt him still trying to figure out the cure even after he knows that there isnt likely to be one make the audience feel for him?... it would also show his ditermination that he isnt just going to accept this.

4) if they ever make a movie about Stan, they have to call it "Excelsior".

 

[FrostBite]

I wonder if the dark knight and iron man are also going to have cure storylines in them,it seems to be the norm these days...

Techically they are both TREATED for health problems for something. Even though not "cures" In BB with his whole traumatic "Oh my parents are dead, it's going to plague me my whole life" mentality.

And Ironman with his whole "Oo... shards are stuck in my heart, get them out!"

I'm just playing, but honestly, I don't mind the cure storyline. It would figure Bruce Banner would be trying to figure out a way to subdue the raging beast within. Also, I don't think it's exactly going to be the main focus.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Oh I see what you mean about Sam now. Too many flashbacks for me. I think Sam can be working for Aethoen and get zapped near the end of the movie to set up The Rampaging Hulk. I think the cure thing should be that it works on his blood, changing it back to normal blood, but doesn’t, for some reason, work on him. So close but so far away kinda thing. So far away, hmmm *Cracker Jack runs to his ever ready Blue 2004 sebring convertible and grabs Dire Straits Brothers In Arms CD and listens to So Far Away From Me. * Ahhhhhhhhhh Well here I an aging in this mean o’l town...............................

 

[Sava]

Oh I see what you mean about Sam now. Too many flashbacks for me. I think Sam can be working for Aethoen and get zapped near the end of the movie to set up The Rampaging Hulk. I think the cure thing should be that it works on his blood, changing it back to normal blood, but doesn’t, for some reason, work on him. So close but so far away kinda thing. So far away, hmmm *Cracker Jack runs to his ever ready Blue 2004 sebring convertible and grabs Dire Straits Brothers In Arms CD and listens to So Far Away From Me. * Ahhhhhhhhhh Well here I an aging in this mean o’l town...............................

yeah, the cure should be like that in the movie. But that would involve Bruce actually using the cure and going "WTF?... its not working?" kinda thing.

 

[Cracker Jack]

yeah, the cure should be like that in the movie. But that would involve Bruce actually using the cure and going "WTF?... its not working?" kinda thing.

Exactely. Then, in the sequels, the effect of each try might change the Hulk to a darker side or a more savage side, his color maybe (gray) maybe change Banner to be darker the list could go on.

 

[Sava]

Exactely. Then, in the sequels, the effect of each try might change the Hulk to a darker side or a more savage side, his color maybe (gray) maybe change Banner to be darker the list could go on.

yeah, a cure changing him would work

 

[Bannerless Hulk]

This should get us to page 4. lol

Abomination as a character is "been there done that", he is the yang to Hulk ying, isnt he?... he is the Hulk but just badder and without the power up thing. You have a character that is just like the hero, why add another thing thats been done?

I really don't know. The video Obi-Ron posted in post #53 on this thread is as much as I've ever seen... but I don't know if the character is intended to be Abomination or not. But by the sounds of things, you're not crazy about Abomb being in TIH in the first place. That is, until I read your original draft, which - in not being all that bad, I suppose - still provides for his character being in the movie. I just don't see how some of your ideas separate themselves from all of the "been there, done that" storylines that have ever been written. Again, I think it's more the remaining-true-to-the-comics that concerns you.

Your draft... for the record, I (like CJ) don't disagree with your sacrifice idea. It was the phrasing/framing of that sacrifice as "suicide," as articulated by Sentinel X, that I had issues with the last time this came up. Self-sacrifice is a good thing, though.

And I like your idea that Ross not be the "crazy general" type, but a concerned father. Truthfully, I've never liked the whole idea of a military general having a personal vendetta with the Hulk. It just seems hoaky to me... unauthentic, unbelievable, dumb even. The whole concept that any one human-being would pit himself against the Hulk, as a legitimate adversary, is stupid. Assuming that a real-life Hulk were possible, it would never happen this way. Instead, you would have the entire military as the Hulk's enemy, with General Ross serving as the equivalent of the Secretary of Defense... the director who oversees everything. At the very least, you wouldn't have General Ross flying helicopters in hand-to-hand combat and he wouldn't be the center of attention, as he was in the first Hulk movie. Transformers did it right, if you ask me.

Final fight, 3 way battle with Abomantion vs Hulk vs Army taking place in an evacuated city somewhere. Hulk wins, kills Abomantion. He walks away from everyone. The End. I wrote all that down as it came to me, i'm sure it sounds s**t.

You guys brought up spellling, so I have to say this... but it cracks me up seeing Abomantion or Abimantion come up regularly in your posts. If I were entirely new to comics, I would think one of the two was the proper name. lol Also love "The End" part.

yeah, i'm sold on Norton, i was talking about before, LL is 50-50, with a good writer, he can deliver, Penn isnt one IMO, thats why i complained. I dont like that fact that they started shooting too late.

But I wasn't talking about previous complaints, necessarily. I was talking about this thread... how you complained that "the cure is still there" (post #8) when the updated synopsis was released. Seeing that Norton is the writer, it strikes me that the cure's presence in the movie still bothers you.

Not a bad one though, just i don't see it as better than the "un-original, seen many times" cure storyline...

I'd rather see a simple story where every details is nailed perfectly with little plot holes, than a complicated "original" story that will just seem overly in-understandable...

Arguing is more fun, but... I agree with you here. Especially the bolded part. However, to be disagreeable (with you, but not Sava), I think they could still pull off an "original" story just the same. I like original stories myself; I'm just not worn out with the whole cure idea as Sava is - that is, pursuing AND discovering the cure. If anything, I worry about TIH being SM3... too many villains. Would prefer to have a kickass story with ONE villain, but The Leader's presence, I reason, is both exciting and cause for worry at the same time. Until we know the capacity in which his character is involved, he's just sort of hanging in the balance. I agree that his role should be minimal.

The Abomy thing is ok to but Sterns should be a low level flunkey type who gets pushed aside or a janitor. He should be exposed to Gamma waste material via a spill or something like that during the final battle between Abomy and The Hulk.

But it's still an accident... which would make accidents the cause of not one, but all three characters' origins. There's got to be something more original out there. As one of my friends has pointed out, it's kind of dumb that gamma rays also is jointly responsible for their origins, to begin with. I'm thinking something more along the lines of Darth Vader's or Gollum's origins... how Anakin and Smeagol slowly, over the course of time, become corrupt. That, to me, is FAR more interesting than some "accident."

That’s a given, but there never being a cure or the possibility of one is kinda lame and paints you into a corner. What suspense is there if the audience knows that Banner can never be cured? None. ... There has to be the possibility that Banner can rid himself of the Hulk.

The point I'm trying to make with Sava, more or less. And I agree the cure probably should be an evolving type of thing... but realistically, the producers can't string it out too long. Audiences/fans won't have the patience. Even within one film, it's too long if they wait until the end to reveal the cure. And if there's no cure in TIH, then there most certainly MUST be a cure in H2 or whatever the sequel will be.

When you mentioned "So close but so far away," btw, I thought you were talking about Journey or Survivor or whatever the 1980s band was that sang that song - not Dire Straits. To each his own.