New solicit: Does it mean Selina's baby is headed into limbo?

[Manic]

I don't think Batman can be a good parent because of his emotional handicap, as I mentioned earlier. More to the point, I don't think Batman should be a good parent because of his emotional handicap. He's barely better than most of his rogues and, quite frankly, I like him that way. A secure, stable, loving Batman is boring as all hell. I want him to be dark and passionate about his crimefighting mission above all else. That's why I liked the pre-IC status quo so much--he had a family, but it was a family that built up in spite of him. He is a good man, deep at his core, but he's too damaged to let others in, so they have to force their way in. A child bursts through all of his barriers and forces him to either dilute the intensity of the character by being a good, caring parent, or makes him an unlikable deadbeat dad by neglecting the kid. It's all right for Selina because, as screwy as she is, she doesn't have quite the level of emotional issues Batman does.

Also, just so we're clear, I'm fully against Bruce adopting Tim and being the biological father of Damien, as well.

Ah. I see your point. I disagree to some degree, but I see what you're driving at.

By the by, I hate Damian and think Tim attaching himself to Bruce like that is a bad idea, also. Especially since Tim is a financially secure 17 year old, and doesn't need to be adopted by anybody.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Seriously, what happened to the genius detective prodigy who deduced the Bat-family's identities on his own and then trained as Robin because he believed in Batman's mission but didn't want to be Batman? Now he's like all the worst, most emo parts of Bruce and Dick put together.

 

[sinewave]

Seriously, what happened to the genius detective prodigy who deduced the Bat-family's identities on his own and then trained as Robin because he believed in Batman's mission but didn't want to be Batman? Now he's like all the worst, most emo parts of Bruce and Dick put together.

i guess that's what happens when writers decide to kill off almost everyone close to you. i don't like how tim's character has turned out either, but calling him emo because he's upset about the death of yet another friend doesn't sound fair to me. i really wish they'd stop deconstructing him like they do to every character when they're unoriginal enough to come up with interesting new ideas for them. that's why selina's book sucks so much these days. they had to go and **** with her to try and get some interesting stories out of it and it ended up backfiring.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's been over a year and he was still all dark and moody over the fact that Conner died (before Bart died, I mean, which kind of validates his attitude again). I get that a person would be upset over a friend's death, but it's been over a year. At some point, you have to make a choice to either continue sulking like a child over your friend or grow up and move on. I'm sure Conner wouldn't want to see Tim waste the rest of his life away cursing the heavens for taking Conner from him. After his father died, it actually seemed to strengthen his resolve to remain positive and not slip into Batman's mentality, yet Conner dies and all of that is forgotten. Not only is it making the character a boring shadow of his former self, it's inconsistent to boot.

 

[sinewave]

It's been over a year and he was still all dark and moody over the fact that Conner died (before Bart died, I mean, which kind of validates his attitude again). I get that a person would be upset over a friend's death, but it's been over a year. At some point, you have to make a choice to either continue sulking like a child over your friend or grow up and move on. I'm sure Conner wouldn't want to see Tim waste the rest of his life away cursing the heavens for taking Conner from him. After his father died, it actually seemed to strengthen his resolve to remain positive and not slip into Batman's mentality, yet Conner dies and all of that is forgotten. Not only is it making the character a boring shadow of his former self, it's inconsistent to boot.

yeah, i don't like the way he pines over conner, either. they way i see it, each person he's lost he's had a harder time recovering from it. i just wish they'd stop killing everyone and ****ing **** up for tim and just stick to writing good stories with good characterizations of our favorites characters without trying to break them all the ****ing time.

 

[Manic]

Let's face it. As far as deaths of loved ones go, DC's writers and editors had a field day with Tim.

Spoiler died, and before they had time to put grass on her grave (not that DC would ever admit she existed), Jack died during Identity Crisis. Then Conner during Infinite Crisis. And now Bart.

He's all out of relatives, and Batgirl is dead to me. Let's all guess which Titan will die next. I'm thinking Wonder Girl. Anyone else? Anyone?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hopefully, Bart is the last for a good, long while. Of course, the Ra's crossover they're doing in the Batman comics is apparently going to go a step further and make Tim a villain, so the deaths of more of his friends are apparently the least of our worries now.

 

[sinewave]

Let's face it. As far as deaths of loved ones go, DC's writers and editors had a field day with Tim.

Spoiler died, and before they had time to put grass on her grave (not that DC would ever admit she existed), Jack died during Identity Crisis. Then Conner during Infinite Crisis. And now Bart.

He's all out of relatives, and Batgirl is dead to me. Let's all guess which Titan will die next. I'm thinking Wonder Girl. Anyone else? Anyone?

don't forget that girl he was dating who died during the war games arc. they've really ****ed tim over.

Hopefully, Bart is the last for a good, long while. Of course, the Ra's crossover they're doing in the Batman comics is apparently going to go a step further and make Tim a villain, so the deaths of more of his friends are apparently the least of our worries now.

i know, that's gonna piss me off if they continue to flush his character down the ****ter.

 

[Aristotle]

Yes it will be back. Manhunter is starting to become the new Spider-Girl.

Only, good?

Yes he does :heart: them. Batman is human and should act like a human. And humans naturally :heart: people.

No, humans love them. 15-year-old girls :heart: people. The day Batman even THINKS, "I :heart: Selina," is the day I will kill him. Not the writer. I will actually kill Batman. Pretty metatextual of me, I know. BUT I GET PISSED OFF, GODDAMMIT!

The book has like 2 more issues left so they might resurect Orin in them, but no Orin is not back yet and the way the story is going and the way Tad went off, there will be no closure

Is Tad off the book now? Is the story arc heading in an Orin-ly direction? Did the book ever get better? Should I just read it?

I don't know about you, banging a guy and then his son later on is a tad bit trashy.

Yeah, remember who else did that? Elsa Schneider. That Austrian *****.

 

[Aristotle]

There was the two month + period where Batman trained Harvey Dent and Crispus Allen found out who he was and Nightwing was healing from Alexander Luthor's attack. It could have happened then you know.

Was that whole two months? Anyway, that still leaves this baby as a ten-month gestater.

The Ten-Month Gestaters would be a great name for a rock band.

 

[Aristotle]

It's been over a year and he was still all dark and moody over the fact that Conner died (before Bart died, I mean, which kind of validates his attitude again). I get that a person would be upset over a friend's death, but it's been over a year. At some point, you have to make a choice to either continue sulking like a child over your friend or grow up and move on. I'm sure Conner wouldn't want to see Tim waste the rest of his life away cursing the heavens for taking Conner from him. After his father died, it actually seemed to strengthen his resolve to remain positive and not slip into Batman's mentality, yet Conner dies and all of that is forgotten. Not only is it making the character a boring shadow of his former self, it's inconsistent to boot.

After his dad died, his resolve strengthened. But then Conner, and about 10% of the superheroic community, died as well, and, you know, I can understand feeling a little put-upon at that point. And then when Bart died...****in' forget about it, you know? Maybe you go on a Jack Daniels bender for a few weeks at that point, you know?

 

[Aristotle]

Hopefully, Bart is the last for a good, long while. Of course, the Ra's crossover they're doing in the Batman comics is apparently going to go a step further and make Tim a villain, so the deaths of more of his friends are apparently the least of our worries now.

Whoa, ho, ho, whoa, what the **** are you talking about?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Only, good?

Exactly

No, humans love them. 15-year-old girls :heart: people. The day Batman even THINKS, "I :heart: Selina," is the day I will kill him. Not the writer. I will actually kill Batman. Pretty metatextual of me, I know. BUT I GET PISSED OFF, GODDAMMIT!

"Even in the end, Jason knew how much I loved him." Batman downright said that in Hush.

Blue Beetle said "Even Batman loves her." When refering to Wonder Woman.

I think he said "Send Jim my love" one time to Barbara.

The Robin book makes it obvious that Batman loves him.

He took sometime to watch Vesper Fairchild after he broke up with her (sorta like a stalker) in Bruce Wayne: Murderer because he loved her but he dumped her because she got too close.

He admitted to Sasha Bordeaux that he loved her.

If he didn't love Selina, he wouldn't have revealed his identity to her in Hush.

He told Talia that he once loved her, but what they had was over.

:heart: is not a mischaracterization of Batman.

Is Tad off the book now? Is the story arc heading in an Orin-ly direction? Did the book ever get better? Should I just read it?

Tad's writing the last two issues and it'll be cancelled. End of story. And from the looks of it, it's not going in a more Orin-ly direction.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Was that whole two months? Anyway, that still leaves this baby as a ten-month gestater.

The Ten-Month Gestaters would be a great name for a rock band.

Wasn't the baby born a month or two before OYL?

 

[Aristotle]

"Even in the end, Jason knew how much I loved him." Batman downright said that in Hush.

Blue Beetle said "Even Batman loves her." When refering to Wonder Woman.

I think he said "Send Jim my love" one time to Barbara.

The Robin book makes it obvious that Batman loves him.

He took sometime to watch Vesper Fairchild after he broke up with her (sorta like a stalker) in Bruce Wayne: Murderer because he loved her but he dumped her because she got too close.

He admitted to Sasha Bordeaux that he loved her.

If he didn't love Selina, he wouldn't have revealed his identity to her in Hush.

He told Talia that he once loved her, but what they had was over.

:heart: is not a mischaracterization of Batman.

Batman loves people. He doesn't :heart: them. He doesn't "heart" them. I didn't say, "Jason knew how much I hearted him." Batman loves, which is an adult, manly thing to do (also a womanly thing to do.) Batman does not heart.

 

[Aristotle]

Wasn't the baby born a month or two before OYL?

Could be. Like I say, I haven't read the issues in a good long time now.