Apocalypse Nightcrawler in the Apocalypse Movie - Part 1

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[Super Jim]

I wrote up a pretty extensive timeline summary as it pertains to an Apocalypse movie that is supposedly going to take place in the mid-1980's.

This got me thinking about Nightcrawler, who allegedly will be in this movie.

First, here are the approximate ages of possible Apocalypse movie characters, in say a 1985 timeline:

Jean Grey = 15-ish (1985 was when Profesor X and Magneto first visited her)
Scott Summers = 15-ish
Storm = 15-ish
Havok = 40-ish
Mystique = early 50's (though her power keeps her young looking)
Beast = 30-ish
Prof. X = 53
Magneto = mid-late 50's/maybe early 60's
Toad = 30-ish
Ink = 30-ish
Gambit = 30-ish
Wolverine = Doesn't really matter - doesn't age

So, what we know from the comics is that Nightcrawler is the son of Mystique and Azazel. Also, Azazel was killed by Trask.

Azazel died in 1963, giving less than 1 year for Mystique and him to, well you know...

That would mean that baby Nightcrawler was born in 1963 or early 1964, making him around 22 years old in 1985, which would be perfect. (That made him around 40 in X-Men 2).

So a possible cast for a 1985 movie would be:

Professor Xavier = 53 years old
Beast = 30-ish
Gambit = 30-ish
Nightcrawler = 22
Jean Grey = 15-ish
Scott Summers = 15-ish
Storm = 15-ish


Mystique = early 50's (though her power keeps her young looking)
Magneto = mid-late 50's/maybe early 60's
Toad = 30-ish
Ink = 30-ish

Wolverine = Doesn't really matter - doesn't age

Now one thing that would be so great about Nightcrawler is being able to get into his backstory.

Maybe seeing him in the circus. Maybe finding out about him being raised by Margali Szardos, a sorceress and Gypsy Queen. How cool would it be to see Professor X go to meet Kurt and see something happen that leads to an angry mob trying to attack Kurt. Prof. X freezes them and away we go. Maybe even get a little into the young love he had with Jardone (Amanda Sefton).

Also, with Mystique and JLaw being so popular, what a great storyline for her. The whole concept of Mystique being with Azazel, Kurt being born the way he looks, the people finding out, her discarding her baby and Azazel giving Kurt to Margali. Also, Azazel being killed or captured could play into this.

What an amazing story, especially if Nightcrawler figures it out, or the reveal becomes part of the story. Just imagine Mystique and Kurt fighting and Mystique dropping that bomb? Wow!

Hope they get this right and can't wait to see!

 

[Super Jim]

Something to think about...

This movie is supposed to be about bringing the "trilogy" to a close. That means resolving the relationships between the main three characters, which I would hope everyone would know/agree is Professor X, Magneto and Mystique.

We have to assume that they will be putting a focus on these three characters, and expanding their stories as much as possible. It's very likely we'll find out about Quicksilver being Erik's son. It's very likely we'll see some sort of "resolution", as they put it, to Raven's and Beast's relationship (even though I would argue that there is no relationship to resolve!). And yes, it is quite possible that there will be at least the reveal of Kurt being Raven's child.

This might be nothing more than Charles finding out the truth using his powers and this being discussed between the two of them, meaning Kurt may not find out. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Raven ends up sacrificing herself to save Kurt's life at the end of the movie. Hey, someone has to die, and if it's Mystique, then wow, that's pretty powerful...

And as far as the audience being "told", it wouldn't really be that hard.

A couple of minutes of dialog between Charles and Raven that includes the why and how, and of course how she wouldn't want Kurt to know.

To me it just makes so much sense for this to be included, but we'll see...

 

[Super Jim]

Also, want to point out that the relationship between Mystique and Erik needs to be resolved. There was an obvious relationship there, as shown in the past two films.

At the same time, as I've discussed elsewhere, Erik left her (and the team) to deal with the President Kennedy thing, which led to him being imprisoned. It's hard for me to believe that him leaving is not what led to her and Azazel getting together, whether he forced himself, or she turned to him in Erik's absence. I guess Azazel could have used powers that weren't shown, but I'm not sure they will go to that level.

Of course, as others have said, they could totally ignore Azazel as Kurt's father and make it Erik, but that would be one of the worst decisions (and there's been a few) that they could ever make. That would be up there with sewing Deadpool's mouth shut! They better just keep it Azazel, and again I have a feeling it might come out during her resolution with Erik, as him leaving (to go and save Kennedy) likely led to this relationship/coupling/what have you.

 

[ciscostudent561]

 

[Super Jim]

I assume that's you conveying confusion.

If so, what exactly are you confused about? I believe the statement is pretty straight forward and logical.

Or maybe you like to argue just for the fun of it!

 

[Majik1387]

 

[JP]

Not to get wrapped up in this, but Scott, Jean and Storm are 16 and the film takes place in 1983...

Xavier and Magneto were 30 in 1962 (and argument can be made to say they were late 20s) so they're both 51..

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Thats right.

According to me, if Apocalypse sets in 1983, origins Wolverine in old timeline must be setting also in 82/83/84. Scott was around 16 in Origins.

There, Kurt seems to be less than 16.

 

[Super Jim]

But Kurt's age is finite IF, and with Kinberg and Singer that's a big if, they stick with Azazel as the father.

He died in 63 during Project Wideawake.

In addition, Erik went away in 1963 as well.

If Raven became pregnant in 1963 and had a standard 9 month incubation period (which is also up to question) then Kurt would have been born in 1964, making him 19 years old in 1983.

 

[GuestStar2004]

we cant say for sure bryan will follow the whole project wide awake thing on the bent bullet website so its possible it happened any time from 1963 to 1973.

Also i doubt nightcrawlers age will get a mention

 

[JP]

But Kurt's age is finite IF, and with Kinberg and Singer that's a big if, they stick with Azazel as the father.

He died in 63 during Project Wideawake.

In addition, Erik went away in 1963 as well.

If Raven became pregnant in 1963 and had a standard 9 month incubation period (which is also up to question) then Kurt would have been born in 1964, making him 19 years old in 1983.

Er, you're basing Azazel's death on a viral website that Singer and Kinberg weren't involved in...

That's like when people refer to movie tie-in video games as canon.

 

[Super Jim]

But that same viral site, which was related to the movie, had the bent bullet story, which ended up being used in the movie. sure seems like the viral site was premeditated to be a prelude to the movie itself.

 

[Majik1387]

Maybe, but unlike Azazel's specific time of death, the bent bullet story made it into the movie.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The bent bullet website was just marketing and its unlikely singer will hold alot of the details as continuity

 

[kasjan]

Then fuc... marketing site telling how twins were created for AoU, and other marketing websites like this for hero movies.

 

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I wonder what kind of viral marketing we'll see this time! You don't think Apocalypse will be running some broadcasts or propaganda that we'll see online?? Or yes?

How about a genealogy? A mutant family tree?

 

[Spider-Fan83]

in true 80s fashion, maybe they'll do a the, lifestyles of the rich and famous, on the Xavier family, an tour the mansion

as for something about Apocalypse

maybe some recreated news footage of the discovery in Egypt of the (what at the time was) the oldest human skeleton... but have it interrupted by Apocalypse

 

[Super Jim]

I could see them have the CIA files on Apocalypse, etc.

That would give some decent background stuff, and even promote Moira's character.

 

[Majik1387]

It would make no sense for the CIA to have files on Apocalypse.

 

[Malik]

Moira said they tracked a guy who had knowledge on apocalypse (obviously caliban), so yes they probably don't know squat.

 

[Super Jim]

Thought I read somewhere that Moira had knowledge of an ancient mutant, likely the first (who is obviously Apocalypse).

Are they really going to start this movie off with Moira (A very minor character - or at least should be) tracking Caliban in order to find out about Apocalypse? What a waste of important screen time if that's the case. They don't have time to develop these characters and do something like that.

I could see it being Moira going to Charles about this ancient mutant, and then that leading to Moira and the team finding Caliban in order to use him to find Apocalypse. Still feel that would be bloating this story unnecessarily, but it seems in the realm of possible.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

If so, what exactly are you confused about? I believe the statement is pretty straight forward and logical.

Was to me

 

[pantiara]

Even though the heart of the plot of Apocalypse will focus more on Mystique (that's what they said in the behind the scenes extras of DOFP, anyway) I am afraid that Nightcrawler may end up with few to no lines. I mean, they ARE introducing 6 main X-Men, they're not all going to have equal screen time. I have a bad feeling he will end up like the post-sentinel-apocalypse gang, with part of a fight scene and maybe 2 lines, at best.
At worst, they might follow canon and he could end up dead...
On the bright side, at least he's going to be in it!

 

[magneto23]

Even though the heart of the plot of Apocalypse will focus more on Mystique (that's what they said in the behind the scenes extras of DOFP, anyway) I am afraid that Nightcrawler may end up with few to no lines. I mean, they ARE introducing 6 main X-Men, they're not all going to have equal screen time. I have a bad feeling he will end up like the post-sentinel-apocalypse gang, with part of a fight scene and maybe 2 lines, at best.
At worst, they might follow canon and he could end up dead...
On the bright side, at least he's going to be in it!

Nope. With everything we've learned about this movie, don't see how anyone can think that. Singer mentioned him right there with Cyclops/Jean/Storm. He will get a fair share to do/say.