Apocalypse Nightcrawler in the Apocalypse Movie

[psyonic]

Singer has said before he likes Proteus so this theory makes sense.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Kinberg already said moira won't remember charles when she meets him again in apocalypse because he erased her memory in First class, and can we assume that the end of First class may have been their first kiss? i dunno i can't remember the deleted scenes and whether they would count anyway

as for the whole mystique and nightcrawler relation i expect it to be abit more complicated then her out right acting like his mother and talking about it to everyone or even revealing it to him

 

[marvelrobbins]

At end of first class Xavier erased her memory from time they left HQ after shaw's attack.So she has some memory of xavier.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

 

[JP]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

 

[SuperT]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

Perfect post.

 

[JP]

"The past... a NEW and UNCERTAIN world..."

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

Well let's hope they don't become too much like competion that they lose what is X-Men.

 

[Mr.M]

I think Singer was playing off the most recent cutting edge theories in physics and M-Theory about how the future affects the past as equally as the past governs the future. He had discussions with Cameron and researched the very topic. That's how he went about justifying his decision, even though it was a straight forward time travel film in most respects. Infinite possibilities, even though everything that can happen has already happened in some form or another. It's very intriguing in the context of our own world and perspective.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Even I'm surprised at how far it seems Singer's gonig to be willing to go. DOFP wasn't as reflective of the comics as I wanted, but I expected as much from Singer, but from what we're hearing about Apocalypse's powers and the concept art of an alien spaceship... I'm kind of impressed and definitely pleased.

The Avengers raised the bar. Fox looked at the success of that and realized "We need X-Men to be hitting that level," and clearly the universe having to play by the limited world Singer created in the first place was going to keep that from being possible. But Fox didn't want to reboot, either. So they smartly used DOFP to wipe the slate clean. After Guardians of the Galaxy? It's apparently no longer a question of when the X-films will introduce the Shi'ar/Starjammers/Brood/etc, but now a question of when. I mean, the very next film, we're getting alien involvement. Holy crap.

Anyone who's not a fan of that wilder stuff from the comics might as well just jump off the film series now, because I don't think even Singer feels the need to hold back too much anymore. Sure, the stuff will be refined and "movie-ized," but I don't think they're going to play in such a tiny sandbox anymore, and as an avid reader of the comics I couldn't be more thrilled. Thank God for Marvel Studios.

 

[DOFP]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

 

[SuperT]

Well let's hope they don't become too much like competion that they lose what is X-Men.

X-Men are always going to be X-Men no matter what. Even if the movies here are trying to get closer in scope and storytelling to the MCU, their stories and foundation alone help them stand out.

 

[Mr.M]

The opportunity to do Avengers type numbers has passed given the novelty of the franchise is no longer there, even with aliens and what not. But they need to grow the business. If this movie cannot do some GotG type numbers domestic, Fox will no longer see the need to bring in the more sci-fi, alien teach stuff.

 

[Sawyer]

The opportunity to do Avengers type numbers has passed given the novelty of the franchise is no longer there

... he says after the release of the highest grossing film in the series.

 

[SuperT]

The opportunity to do Avengers type numbers has passed given the novelty of the franchise is no longer there, even with aliens and what not.

wut.

 

[ciscostudent561]

rooofll... thats my usually reaction to Jim's post but i love the guy

 

[ciscostudent561]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

 

[ciscostudent561]

There's something to be said about the avengers competition. The X-men are not becoming Avengers like. First of all. X1 X2 did not have the budgets that Avengers had. The other thing is the Avengers are completely different from the X-men. The Avengers are like DC's heroes, and people got bored of all of the "celebrated" hero. Sure Diana, Cap and Thor are popular. They don't sniff the more popular, edgier characters like Batman, X-men... and even Spider-Man to some extent. What am I trying to say? I'm saying that the X-men have longer legs then the Avengers. Their characters are deeper, they're in a more Earth like world. There's a reason they dominated the comic industry for 2+ decades. There's a reason the cartoons did as well they did.

 

[Malik]

The opportunity to do Avengers type numbers has passed given the novelty of the franchise is no longer there, even with aliens and what not. But they need to grow the business. If this movie cannot do some GotG type numbers domestic, Fox will no longer see the need to bring in the more sci-fi, alien teach stuff.

Not saying you're wrong but just look at skyfall 1.1 billion after people were supposedly tired of 007, and dofp made 515 million in the international box office more than gotg, asm2 and cap 2. The X films supposedly peaked with X3 but dofp pretty much proved otherwise.

 

[Cherry]

I don't understand how people could think the continuity is still going to try to lead back to X1/X2. The entire purpose of DOFP was not to erase film instalments fanboys didn't like, it was to rejigger the timeline so that the films didn't have to play by the old rules anymore. Singer emphasized this with the very final shot of DOFP... Stryker turning out to be Mystique, coupled with Xavier's monologue about how the "future is never truly set" puts the kibosh on pre-existing continuity. The entire ending is specifically saying "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong."

They're not going to set it up for X2. They're completely overwriting the previous films so they can tell newer (and it seems more comic-accurate) stories. I would honestly be surprised if the X-Men ever go back to all-black in the films. Fox wanted the X-Men films to start seeming more like Marvel Studios productions, so they had to give the old continuity the heave-ho so X-Men films could start getting crazier.

I don't think anyone thinks the new movies are going to act as perfect prequels to the old movies. BUT, some variation of those events DID STILL HAPPEN, as evidenced by the final future scene at the mansion. Scott, Jean, Storm, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty, Beast, etc. all still ended up in the X-family. Plus, Rogue still has her white strip of hair. Rogue still ended up with Iceman (not comic-accurate), Cyclops still ended up with Jean. Obviously events will play out differently this time around, but you can't discount that epilogue and pretend they are going to go off and completely throw everything out.

EDIT: As for your comment: "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong." We DO know which X-Men survive any more "prequel" movies, except for a few like Nightcrawler and Gambit.

 

[josh8]

I don't think anyone thinks the new movies are going to act as perfect prequels to the old movies. BUT, some variation of those events DID STILL HAPPEN, as evidenced by the final future scene at the mansion. Scott, Jean, Storm, Iceman, Rogue, Kitty, Beast, etc. all still ended up in the X-family. Plus, Rogue still has her white strip of hair. Rogue still ended up with Iceman (not comic-accurate), Cyclops still ended up with Jean. Obviously events will play out differently this time around, but you can't discount that epilogue and pretend they are going to go off and completely throw everything out.

EDIT: And yeah, as far as which X-Men will survive, we DO know how that turns out.

The similarities between the universes meant that young Xavier kept his promise to Logan (which I think old Xavier even stated explicitly in the epilogue) to go and find Jean, Scott, Storm, etc. Rogue's white streak was just a part of her mutation that came out when her powers were pushed to an extreme. That could have happened anytime in the new timeline (perhaps during an encounter with Ms. Marvel??).

So it is totally reasonable to say they threw everything out, but Xavier is now acting with a little "inside information", if you will. That's why things ended up a bit similar. How they got to that point can be done in any which way.

 

[x-er]

The similarities between the universes meant that young Xavier kept his promise to Logan (which I think old Xavier even stated explicitly in the epilogue) to go and find Jean, Scott, Storm, etc. Rogue's white streak was just a part of her mutation that came out when her powers were pushed to an extreme. That could have happened anytime in the new timeline (perhaps during an encounter with Ms. Marvel??).

I'd watch that.

So it is totally reasonable to say they threw everything out, but Xavier is now acting with a little "inside information", if you will. That's why things ended up a bit similar. How they got to that point can be done in any which way.

That' makes perfect sense.

I don't think anyone thinks the new movies are going to act as perfect prequels to the old movies. BUT, some variation of those events DID STILL HAPPEN...
EDIT: As for your comment: "If you think you know what's going to happen now, you're wrong." We DO know which X-Men survive any more "prequel" movies, except for a few like Nightcrawler and Gambit.

I think the only prequel left is First Class. It will prequel both the old timeline and the new timeline. But everything after DOFP is new turf. If the OT cast ever come back, maybe it would be for a futuristic sci-fi flick. But.. with all this time travel & history-changing, I don't know if they'd need a "present tense" by our standards.

Kinberg already said moira won't remember charles when she meets him again in apocalypse because he erased her memory in First class, and can we assume that the end of First class may have been their first kiss? i dunno i can't remember the deleted scenes and whether they would count anyway

I really doubt a CIA agent like Moira would not be familiar with the four mutants involved in the televised destruction of the white house and President Nixon's assassination attempt.

 

[Cherry]

Rogue's white streak was just a part of her mutation that came out when her powers were pushed to an extreme. That could have happened anytime in the new timeline (perhaps during an encounter with Ms. Marvel??).

You're extrapolating. It could have very well been a side effect of Magneto's machine and nothing more. You are right that they could write in some new explanation down the line as to why she got the streak, but at this point, it's only a guess. And no, I doubt Ms. Marvel will ever show up.

Can X1 & X2 happen exactly now? No. Everyone knows that. I just think you guys are getting carried away if you think EVERYTHING is thrown out like a reboot. Sure, many things will now happen differently. The journey may take a different path, but the broad strokes of the destination are the same.

 

[Cherry]

but Xavier is now acting with a little "inside information", if you will. That's why things ended up a bit similar. How they got to that point can be done in any which way.

This part I can agree with.

 

[x-er]

^ Yeah, everything in between is a whole new enchilada and, by the look of the young cast, they'll be feeding us the enchilada bit by bit (i.e. there'll be several movies with them).