The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Han-Solo]

No Robin, Maybe Nightwing

 

[jediknight273]

But Nightwing cant be done without first introducing Robin that would be ridiculous. Robin just wont fit into this world, I cant see a kid running around in armor doing acrobatics and it being part of Nolan's world. If you want to have a mention of Robin to tease us fanboys, I say mention The flying graysons at the end of the third film if it gets made. And if so then never do the fourth film.

 

[Nepenthes]

you can't see a kid doing acrobatics in Nolans world.

Did you ever imagine there would be a psycho clown in purple coat and nurses uniform in Nolans world?

 

[Nathan Petrelli]

No thanks. I don't want to see Robin, I want to see Batman and only Batman.

 

[American_Idiot]

The same way Nolan brought Joker into his universe without making him too bright and colorful, while keeping the purple coat and green hair.

Robin could work. Hell, if you want realism... 'Robin' could be a codename given to young orphaned Dick Grayson, who acts as a mole, remaining unnoticed by criminals as he appears to be "just some street urchin". Wired directly to Batman, he could keep Batman informed (think Oracle) when our hero must be in two places at once. Oh, and little Richard would have some fight in him - enough to take out a couple thugs at a time if necessary.

 

[Batmania]

Nolan...please DON'T add Robin!!!

 

[Keymaker]

you can't see a kid doing acrobatics in Nolans world.

Did you ever imagine there would be a psycho clown in purple coat and nurses uniform in Nolans world?

Yes, I knew that when I watched BB 'till the end t:

 

[GL1]

No Robin, Maybe Nightwing

...

It's the same guy.

No thanks. I don't want to see Robin, I want to see Batman and only Batman.

So... they should get rid of all the supporting cast?

Another point I'd like to make...

A central theme involving ANY possible Batman sidekicks (Robin, Batgirl) should be Bruce being adamant that he "doesn't want anyone else to share this burden I share." But that Robin and Batgirl are so driven to fight crime that Bruce can't help but take them in. His inner conscience will always haunt him when there's a near-miss.

"If they're gonna fight injustice and the corrupt, I need to show them the right way."

And when the Joker paralyzes Batgirl? Eats at Bruce Wayne's conscience even more.

I don't think there's such a thing as "can't help but take them in." Batman's not exactly weak-willed. I also don't think 'Batgirl' works as a vigilante, since she's just a smart kid

 

[oath5]

Many argue that the new franchise does not need a Robin. That it is “too dark” and that the character “wouldn’t fit” and that the public would dislike him and seem to. I personally would love to see a Robin within the movies. The character premiered a year after Batman, after all, so much of Batman’s legacy is with Robin than he was alone. I think, somehow, it can work. The moment Batman gave that young boy a batarang to prove to his friends that Batman actually existed in Begins, I immediately was reminded of the current Robin, Tim Drake, who had a long standing obsession/fandom of Batman (and the former Robins) and of the animated series incarnation, who had picked up a batarang from a crime scene. That moment alone could set up a possibility for a Robin in future installments, though highly unlikely. I feel this character needs to be handled delicately. The two movies featuring Robin in the nineties were an unfortunate mistake and were not approached correctly. In my opinion, they cast the character far too old and was horribly written (not to say the rest of the characters were written well either, the movies were horrible examples of what not to do, ever.). I think within the Begins mythos that there are one needs to approach the Robin issue more realistic. Granted, a time skip is needed of course, since the first two movies take place in Batman's relative, well, beginnings.

When the time is appropriate, one could go the classic Richard “Dick” Grayson loosing his parents due to the mob (or whoever). Whether or not he jumps right into the Robin role, I am quite hesitant to say, but I think it would be interesting dynamic to have the brooding playboy find a literal mini-me, NOT the "gee whiz" ball of energy and hotpants we peg him as. I think this series Robin should be a lot like Bruce, not angry and cocky, but kinda withdrawn.

But, that’s just me. I have tons of ideas, not saying they're any good or obviously useful, but it needs to be thought out. This is where they need to write the story well, since the original sudden adoption of Dick in the comics eventually brought accusations of homosexuality, (hence the creation of Batwoman and the first Batgirl) and the idea that Bruce would, within short notice, take care of the boy out of the blue, is something that can be seen as somewhat perverse and ridiculous and needs to be treated just as careful as the character itself. It’s hard to imagine anyone let an adolescent or teenager fight unless they do so without any disregard to what their elders think or tell them to do.

Now, to move around this, they could do a few things, such as tinkering with the mythos and perhaps merging various aspects of the multiple Robins as seen in the animated series, where they had blended the characters of Jason Todd and the current DC Robin, Tim Drake, together underneath the identity of the latter and omitting the former completely. I’m not saying to change Dick’s character all the way, but perhaps alter how he ends up under Bruce’s care, or as Robin. Either or, or both. Heck, they don’t even have to have Dick be adopted by Bruce given the minor realistic tweaks occurring in the movies. Pretty sure Joker has a totally new backstory (or lack thereof) right? In past incarnations, Bruce Wayne has always been present at the Flying Graysons’ deadly circus performance (pretty sure he was), and I think perhaps by creating a scenario where he isn’t present could be an interesting way to go. Perhaps it is the classic scenario; a double murder/accident, but is more something that is all over the news due to speculation of mob involved sabotage and assassination. From there, the newly orphaned Dick could appear into Bruce’s life in some other way. I had the idea that Dr. Leslie Thompkins, being the benevolent person that she is, could perhaps have ended up fostering Dick by coincidence since the boy is under eighteen. As a side note, within the new movie mythos, I would imagine the best age frame for Robin would be anywhere between thirteen to fifteen, but nothing older than that as it seems fitting and is closer to when most of the Robins actually did take up the mantle....more or less an estimate, it's probably younger *shudder*. By being under the care of Leslie, at her office, etc, he would eventually meet Bruce Wayne through association, perhaps a day visit or demi-Batman related visit for discreet medical treatment. There Bruce could see himself in the distant Dick. Leslie, noticing the similarities as well, would push Bruce to attempt to talk to Dick and talk about his own experience in loosing parents, and the relationship between the two could start from there maybe?

It could then be something as simple as Dick figuring out that Bruce Wayne is Batman and like I like American_Idiot's idea, offering to be some sort of mole or have Dick be some sort of wiz-kid like Tim and after figuring out who Batman is, becomes some sort of anonymous informant for Batman without Batman ever figuring out who he is, and Robin would, as American_idiot suggested, be just a code name he would sign his notes or emails.

Maybe even make him a young Batman fan who attempts to thwart small crime to draw the presses’ (and Batman's attention) since I would assume any orphaned child would want attention. (hell, he doesn't even have to be an orphan if he's a wannabee) His antics could possibly cause more (major) trouble than the crime he attempts to foil. I'm imagining causing a large traffic accident in particular, being caught dangling from a grapling hook swaying in traffic, nearly getting hit by a car, both somewhat funny, but serious in a " Oh don't go and do that" kinda way. They make grapling from building to building look far to easy, I'd love to see them poke fun at that. Batman was not perfect in Begins, so a boy should be even more inept, despite his unusual acrobatic skills.... His antics ultimately then DOES catch Batman’s attention, who corners the scrappy boy after a slew of botched attempts to be a hero. It could be edgier and poke fun at the ridiculous idea that a teenager could fight crime the way Robin is portrayed to do. He doesn't even have to become Batman's partner, I mean ideally yes, but it doesn't have to be.

Really, having any figure symbolic of Robin would be adequate. Hell, put a girl named Carrie bugging Batman to let her help and getting flat out rejected, and that would be enough, not ideal, but enough, and she's not even canon!

 

[Nathan Petrelli]

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So... they should get rid of all the supporting cast?

Yes. That is exactly what I was referring to. YOU hit the nail right on the head. By saying I want to see Batman, not Batman and a sidekick, I was obviously referring to that all I want to see is Batman standing within in a white room for nearly 3 hours without anyone else, no story line, supporting cast or plot, just Batman. You are correct and I envy your genius.

 

[Nepenthes]

The character premiered a year after Batman, after all, so much of Batman’s legacy is with Robin than he was alone.

a time skip is needed of course, since the first two movies take place in Batman's relative, well, beginnings.

it would be interesting dynamic to have the brooding playboy find a literal mini-me, NOT the "gee whiz" ball of energy and hotpants we peg him as. I think this series Robin should be a lot like Bruce, not angry and cocky, but kinda withdrawn.

I had the idea that Dr. Leslie Thompkins, being the benevolent person that she is, could perhaps have ended up fostering Dick by coincidence since the boy is under eighteen. ...By being under the care of Leslie, at her office, etc, he would eventually meet Bruce Wayne through association, perhaps a day visit or demi-Batman related visit for discreet medical treatment. There Bruce could see himself in the distant Dick. Leslie, noticing the similarities as well, would push Bruce to attempt to talk to Dick and talk about his own experience in loosing parents, and the relationship between the two could start from there maybe?

I'm imagining causing a large traffic accident in particular, being caught dangling from a grapling hook swaying in traffic, nearly getting hit by a car, both somewhat funny, but serious in a " Oh don't go and do that" kinda way. They make grapling from building to building look far to easy, I'd love to see them poke fun at that.

Really, having any figure symbolic of Robin would be adequate.

Interesting points, I generally agree expect for the last statement. I think the real Robin should be shown in a forceful and faithful manner, he's a great character with so much potential and no one in the mainstream public knows it yet,. Just putting out a "representation" like a non-combat spy, or a computer assistant, or even a guy in a more realistic costume with helmet and cowl etc, would be such a wasted opportunity and a massive let down. Robin should be critical in continuing the mainstream mythology. I still think a Robin-centric trilogy, set IN the Nolanverse but with a time jump of say five years to make it more wacky and ready for Robin, would be so perfect from both a fan and mainstream audiences perspective.

 

[The Shadow]

they need to have a cameo of dick grayson, then the next movie he could become robin, and finally Nightwing. I think audiences would except Dick Grayson a lot better as Nightwing.

 

[Two-Face]

You can't have Dick as Nightwing not have the first Robin....

 

[GL1]

Yes. That is exactly what I was referring to. YOU hit the nail right on the head. By saying I want to see Batman, not Batman and a sidekick, I was obviously referring to that all I want to see is Batman standing within in a white room for nearly 3 hours without anyone else, no story line, supporting cast or plot, just Batman. You are correct and I envy your genius.

Hm. What's this? Your sarcasm is nothing compared to mine! You have... discount sarcasm. Two sarcasm for price of one! Your sarcasm is weak... like a feeble old woman!

But for real: Robin, Dick Grayson, Nightwing, whatever you want to call him is supporting cast. Why exclude Robin but include "thug knocking out, Batman rescuing" Alfred. Exclude Robin, but include "Batmobile driving, missile firing" Lt. Gordon?

 

[oath5]

Interesting points, I generally agree expect for the last statement. I think the real Robin should be shown in a forceful and faithful manner, he's a great character with so much potential and no one in the mainstream public knows it yet,. Just putting out a "representation" like a non-combat spy, or a computer assistant, or even a guy in a more realistic costume with helmet and cowl etc, would be such a wasted opportunity and a massive let down. Robin should be critical in continuing the mainstream mythology. I still think a Robin-centric trilogy, set IN the Nolanverse but with a time jump of say five years to make it more wacky and ready for Robin, would be so perfect from both a fan and mainstream audiences perspective.

I agree, I'm just hesitant to say so since it needs to be done realistically and practical. I wouldn't mind a costume change, same colors, just darker maybe? I have a hard time imagining any of the Robin costumes except maybe a variation of the red and black one being used in the series and in the current DC mainstream. I do like the idea of a really quiet and sullen Dick, ever more reason to make Robin a complete personality opposite, exuberant and scrappy.

I liked the Tim Drake Robin from the later seasons of the first animated series ( the teeny tiny Robin) and how he ended up under the domino mask (totally disobeying Batman, of course). I'm not sure how well that would translate to the "Nolanverse" but I like that particular version's personality and wouldn't mind if that they could inject a little of that in the Begins version of Dick when he's in the costume, well, really more or less all I want to see is sloppy but snarky car surfing. Yet another moment to go " Oh no, what the hell is he doing," while at the same time still cheering for Robin's debut. =P


I saw a really cool concept art for a Robin/Dick on Deviantart that is pretty slick;

http://kizer180.deviantart.com/art/Grayson-Robin-78939750

Granted this Dick is a bit older than what I'd want to see in the movies, judging by the guy's explanation, this Dick is when he's halfway in between Robin and Nightwing, but I'm just wanting to show a costume idea. A bit too "cool" for when he first starts out, but it would blend into the movies pretty well in terms of colors.

 

[Nathan Petrelli]

Hm. What's this? Your sarcasm is nothing compared to mine! You have... discount sarcasm. Two sarcasm for price of one! Your sarcasm is weak... like a feeble old woman!

But for real: Robin, Dick Grayson, Nightwing, whatever you want to call him is supporting cast. Why exclude Robin but include "thug knocking out, Batman rescuing" Alfred. Exclude Robin, but include "Batmobile driving, missile firing" Lt. Gordon?

I don't think I wan't to see Robin atleast for another 2-3 movies after TDK, if Nolan stays on for that long.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Yes. That is exactly what I was referring to. YOU hit the nail right on the head. By saying I want to see Batman, not Batman and a sidekick, I was obviously referring to that all I want to see is Batman standing within in a white room for nearly 3 hours without anyone else, no story line, supporting cast or plot, just Batman. You are correct and I envy your genius.

This had me cracking up.

 

[Rikxiepoo]

The closest thing to Robin that we might get is this: At the end of Batman 3 there might be some reference to Dick Grayson, just to please Fan boys and girls alike. Since Nolan probably wont do 4th one after that, he wont mind adding that little easter egg for the fans.

 

[omerhead]

I think a 27-year old Jason Todd/Robin Being killed by some other Batman villain not The Joker since Heath is dead, also the concept of being dead at 27 is really tragic which could make him a darker Robin and if Christopher Nolan won't go with this approach, He could first portray Catwoman as a villain at the beginning of the third film then team her up with Batman to defeat Two-Face.

 

[Nepenthes]

I agree, I'm just hesitant to say so since it needs to be done realistically and practical. I wouldn't mind a costume change, same colors, just darker maybe? I have a hard time imagining any of the Robin costumes except maybe a variation of the red and black one being used in the series and in the current DC mainstream. I do like the idea of a really quiet and sullen Dick, ever more reason to make Robin a complete personality opposite, exuberant and scrappy.

yeah this is fairly interesting. A redesign that actually works, it doesn't take too much from his character and I can see it being executed in real materials quite well. I love that the collar and even the subtle pixie boots have been included, they've always been two of my favorite elements. I'd still like to see a little green and yellow though, he's supposed to be colorful for a reason. I'd also make the gloves a little bigger, makes him look like a brawler

There's quite alot to convey in a robin redesign. it's not an easy task at all. here's a checklist:

Ninja - sleek, stealthy, light footed, able to hide in the dark. ninja and acrobatics is how he operates
Military - modern, practical utility needs to be visible. it's a suit that shows he's a guy to be reckoned with.
Red Robin - bird stylings complete the flying creature motif, part of his name. A lighter and flightier counterpart to the heavy and frightful bat
Medieval - again part of his name and conception. A valiant Squire to the dark Knight, evoking a swashbuckling hero and legend of old
Circus - he needs look fun. flamboyant. this conveys his roots and the purpose behind his entire conception and reason for being. it will also make him look coller when he's free running, which should be his distinctive advantage and mode of travel compared to Batman's gliding and swooping

 

[Saint]

That redesign is pretty cool. I disagree on the green (never liked it), and would instead prefer some minor yellow (yellow stitching, yellow symbol, and perhaps some yellow trimming on the ends of the tunic and whatnot).

 

[The Shadow]

You can't have Dick as Nightwing not have the first Robin....

Thats what the first franchise is for.

 

[batmaluco]

If we are talking about this franchise, and this thread makes reference to Nolan in its title, so well, it's this franchise, then, a redesign would have to include a cowl of some sort.
I mean, Bruce had to order another thousands of helmet-like cowls because you know what happened in this scene... and he couldn't just go unprotected for a long time...

But well, perhaps the best way would let Robin go unprotected in direction of a mighty crowbar...

 

[Two-Face]

Thats what the first franchise is for.

I hope you are joking.

 

[DACrowe]

I'd like to see Robin done properly but if Nolan doesn't want him, then don't force him to.