The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[nightwing2010]

microchip youre a fool and the fact that DC is going to be a more active part of WB now hELL YES!!definitley gives more hope of ROBIN APPEARING AGAIN DC WILL HAVE CONTROL!!

 

[El Payaso]

Hi, Payaso, long time no see.

100% agreed. That's the way I see Robin working really well.
Batman knowing that his fight wouldn't ever finish, but his life is ending, having a sucessor, etc.

Hello, luco.

Yes, Batman needing a succesor creates a real need for the character without turning Batman into a father and putting a colorful underage at his side.

el payaso your a fool though, and you dont really know the character of, robin, when u make stupid idiotic , statements like, the less robin is robin, the better, when u go back to the root and origin of robin to the first issue where he appeared HIS CHARACTER WAS NEVER CAMPY! it was Tragic , he was Bruce;s mirror image, and bruce felt inside llike he was obligated to take him in, because in a way it was Like Going back in Time and saving himself!!! is a grayson a lighter character ?yes , and theres nothing wrong with that ,HE'S batman's balance and keeps him from going over the EDGE! BUT HES NOT A CAMPY One, get OVER THE ****ING ADAM WEST SHOW ALREADY!!!

Hello, rude sir.

I don’t think I’ve called Robin campy. But his colorful nature destroys what Batman is, a loner dark figure.

As a conflicted edgy character what Batman doesn’t need is balance. Batman – as any other character - works and becomes more interesting when he’s unstable. The minute he gets stable and the edginess dissapears he’s no longer in danger to fall. It’s like giving stability to a tightrope walker.

As you see, my points are far beyond the 1960’s TV series which I don’t think I’ve mentioned either.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Here is my version of Nolan's Robin:

The movie begins at old warehouse by the docks where Two-Face has gathered all his hired guns to discuss an important matter. It appears that one of his men is actually a police informant and Two-Face wants to make an example out of him. The informant's name is Michael Drake and he pleads with Two-Face to forgive him saying that he has a wife and son. Two-Face replies with, "How sad, I had face. I am neither judge nor jury, *shows coin* THIS! is what decides the ultimate fate of all men. I am merely the executioner"

He flips his trademark coin, it lands on the scarred side and just as he is about to shoot him dead, a temporary wooden wall of the warehouse is blown apart as the Dark Knight roars in on his Bat-Pod (The informant had a final meeting with Gordon prior to this). A massive fight ensues and as Christian Bale dispatches all the thugs, the informant is unfortunately gunned down in the struggle and Aaron Eckhart escapes. The Batman checks his surroundings and curses himself for being so foolish as to jump right into the fray without prior planning. He was merely trying to save the life of the informant. As he kneels over his body, he hears a sound and sees a pair of eyes (of a young boy) looking towards him with fear. A terrible sense of Deja-Vu overcomes him and he leaves. The boy comes into full view, barely 18. He silently walks over to the body of William Drake and begins to cry. Only the surrounding darkness knows his grief. This boy is none other than Tim Drake.

Tim’s grief soon turns to anger as he vows to take revenge on his father’s killers and the Batman himself. He heads home but instead of sharing his grief with his mother, he decides to take a page out of the Batman’s book. He puts on some a leather jacket, jeans and a “Red Hood” (mask) to conceal his face. He grabs his father’s gun and a large butcher knife. Finally, he takes out a needle and a bottle labeled “Adrenaline” and injects it into his arm. Apparently, he is also a drug addict and the high he would receive would negate any physical pain. He sets of for an old hangout of Two Face’s thugs.
As one would suspect, he jumps into the fray. After the initial shock of getting attacked by a scrawny kid called the “Red Hood” had gone and one dead thug later. Tim Drake is brutally beaten up and left to die in a pool of his own blood.

Hours later, Batman sees him lying in the same comatose state. He removes his mask and recognizes him as the same boy from the docks. He checks for a pulse and after confirming that he was still alive has him rushed into a hospital. Tim Drake wakes up screaming and is surprised to find himself alive and well. He franticly turns around and notices none other than Bruce Wayne staring intently at him. Drake’s reaction, “Who the **** are you? What am I doing here?”

Bruce tells him about how he was merely driving around the city and found him lying in the middle of the road half-dead. He hoped someone was watching and decided to commit a good deed to fix his reputation with the public. Tim tells him he is a bigger bastard in person than on TV and Bruce thanks him for that. Keeping up with his spoilt good for nothing playboy image, Bruce decides to make big show telling everyone the “truth” and personally escorting him back to his mother (with a gaggle of reporters) so that the people see him as a hero. However, it all falls flat when it turns out his mother had committed suicide when her son did not return the previous night. Taking advantage of the fact that Mr. Wayne would no want to get his reputation tarnished, Tim turns to him with his hands folded and says, “OW pweese Meester Wayne. I gots no place to go. Won’t you take me to your beeg house.”

He says it with an extreme amount of sarcasm and disgust in his voice that only Bruce manages to catch. His motive was to merely find a safe place to stay, to think things over.
Thus, Bruce is now stuck with him and takes him to the Wayne Manor, which is still receiving the finishing touches. Bruce rarely speaks to him politely and Alfred hauls him up for it. At the same time Tim and Alfred become good friends since the latter feels Tim reminds him of Master Wayne before his parents died. Let’s cut it short and say Tim accidentally finds the Batcave and is naturally shocked by what he sees. Both exited and disgusted, Tim decides to steal some of his equipment and sabotage the others in his rage but not before Bruce finds him there and the two duke it out with Tim proving to be an able fighter considering he grew up on the streets, however he is no match for the Dark Knight who gives him a sound thrashing. Alfred is disturbed by this and breaking up the fight accusing Bruce of becoming what he hates the most.

Bruce tells Alfred that he is afraid Tim will end up on the same path he did or even worse in his path for revenge. It would consume him. Alfred tells Bruce that the only way out of this would be to groom him into someone who could compliment Bruce’s own crusade against the criminal element because he has simply seen and experienced too much to simply walk away from this. He may look like a child but his mind is akin to that of a hitman. Bruce reluctantly agrees and trains him in the martial arts, criminology and detective skills. Considering his smaller stature Bruce decides to give a battle staff similar to those used by several martial artists. Lucius Fox presents him with a stealthier version (read more flexible and less heavy) of the Batsuit armor which was intended to be worn by pilots and recon troops. Finally a name is chosen, Robin is considered but after Tim complains that, “You want me to laugh thugs to death?”
He is thus christened ‘Nightwing’


SO? WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Call it crap if you want but at least suggest something better.
I tried to combine all three robins just in case nobody got that.
Also, the mask would cover his entire face with only his hair visible
To get some idea of the timeline, think Dark Victory. We would only see Tim as Nightwing/Robin in the final scene of the movie when Batman introduces his partner to Gordon at the Bat-Signal

Before anyone asks, my username refers to Christian Bale's look in "The Machinist"

 

[Keyser Soze]

el payaso your a fool though, and you dont really know the character of, robin, when u make stupid idiotic , statements like, the less robin is robin, the better, when u go back to the root and origin of robin to the first issue where he appeared HIS CHARACTER WAS NEVER CAMPY! it was Tragic , he was Bruce;s mirror image, and bruce felt inside llike he was obligated to take him in, because in a way it was Like Going back in Time and saving himself!!! is a grayson a lighter character ?yes , and theres nothing wrong with that ,HE'S batman's balance and keeps him from going over the EDGE! BUT HES NOT A CAMPY One, get OVER THE ****ING ADAM WEST SHOW ALREADY!!!

You know, there are times when some people from the pro-Robin camp make really make compelling arguments that almost convince me he could work in these films. Then you come along and totally undermine them.

 

[NoirMan82]

Here is my version of Nolan's Robin:

The movie begins at old warehouse by the docks where Two-Face has gathered all his hired guns to discuss an important matter. It appears that one of his men is actually a police informant and Two-Face wants to make an example out of him. The informant's name is Michael Drake and he pleads with Two-Face to forgive him saying that he has a wife and son. Two-Face replies with, "How sad, I had face. I am neither judge nor jury, *shows coin* THIS! is what decides the ultimate fate of all men. I am merely the executioner"

He flips his trademark coin, it lands on the scarred side and just as he is about to shoot him dead, a temporary wooden wall of the warehouse is blown apart as the Dark Knight roars in on his Bat-Pod (The informant had a final meeting with Gordon prior to this). A massive fight ensues and as Christian Bale dispatches all the thugs, the informant is unfortunately gunned down in the struggle and Aaron Eckhart escapes. The Batman checks his surroundings and curses himself for being so foolish as to jump right into the fray without prior planning. He was merely trying to save the life of the informant. As he kneels over his body, he hears a sound and sees a pair of eyes (of a young boy) looking towards him with fear. A terrible sense of Deja-Vu overcomes him and he leaves. The boy comes into full view, barely 18. He silently walks over to the body of William Drake and begins to cry. Only the surrounding darkness knows his grief. This boy is none other than Tim Drake.

Tim’s grief soon turns to anger as he vows to take revenge on his father’s killers and the Batman himself. He heads home but instead of sharing his grief with his mother, he decides to take a page out of the Batman’s book. He puts on some a leather jacket, jeans and a “Red Hood” (mask) to conceal his face. He grabs his father’s gun and a large butcher knife. Finally, he takes out a needle and a bottle labeled “Adrenaline” and injects it into his arm. Apparently, he is also a drug addict and the high he would receive would negate any physical pain. He sets of for an old hangout of Two Face’s thugs.
As one would suspect, he jumps into the fray. After the initial shock of getting attacked by a scrawny kid called the “Red Hood” had gone and one dead thug later. Tim Drake is brutally beaten up and left to die in a pool of his own blood.

Hours later, Batman sees him lying in the same comatose state. He removes his mask and recognizes him as the same boy from the docks. He checks for a pulse and after confirming that he was still alive has him rushed into a hospital. Tim Drake wakes up screaming and is surprised to find himself alive and well. He franticly turns around and notices none other than Bruce Wayne staring intently at him. Drake’s reaction, “Who the **** are you? What am I doing here?”

Bruce tells him about how he was merely driving around the city and found him lying in the middle of the road half-dead. He hoped someone was watching and decided to commit a good deed to fix his reputation with the public. Tim tells him he is a bigger bastard in person than on TV and Bruce thanks him for that. Keeping up with his spoilt good for nothing playboy image, Bruce decides to make big show telling everyone the “truth” and personally escorting him back to his mother (with a gaggle of reporters) so that the people see him as a hero. However, it all falls flat when it turns out his mother had committed suicide when her son did not return the previous night. Taking advantage of the fact that Mr. Wayne would no want to get his reputation tarnished, Tim turns to him with his hands folded and says, “OW pweese Meester Wayne. I gots no place to go. Won’t you take me to your beeg house.”

He says it with an extreme amount of sarcasm and disgust in his voice that only Bruce manages to catch. His motive was to merely find a safe place to stay, to think things over.
Thus, Bruce is now stuck with him and takes him to the Wayne Manor, which is still receiving the finishing touches. Bruce rarely speaks to him politely and Alfred hauls him up for it. At the same time Tim and Alfred become good friends since the latter feels Tim reminds him of Master Wayne before his parents died. Let’s cut it short and say Tim accidentally finds the Batcave and is naturally shocked by what he sees. Both exited and disgusted, Tim decides to steal some of his equipment and sabotage the others in his rage but not before Bruce finds him there and the two duke it out with Tim proving to be an able fighter considering he grew up on the streets, however he is no match for the Dark Knight who gives him a sound thrashing. Alfred is disturbed by this and breaking up the fight accusing Bruce of becoming what he hates the most.

Bruce tells Alfred that he is afraid Tim will end up on the same path he did or even worse in his path for revenge. It would consume him. Alfred tells Bruce that the only way out of this would be to groom him into someone who could compliment Bruce’s own crusade against the criminal element because he has simply seen and experienced too much to simply walk away from this. He may look like a child but his mind is akin to that of a hitman. Bruce reluctantly agrees and trains him in the martial arts, criminology and detective skills. Considering his smaller stature Bruce decides to give a battle staff similar to those used by several martial artists. Lucius Fox presents him with a stealthier version (read more flexible and less heavy) of the Batsuit armor which was intended to be worn by pilots and recon troops. Finally a name is chosen, Robin is considered but after Tim complains that, “You want me to laugh thugs to death?”
He is thus christened ‘Nightwing’


SO? WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Call it crap if you want but at least suggest something better.
I tried to combine all three robins just in case nobody got that.
Also, the mask would cover his entire face with only his hair visible
To get some idea of the timeline, think Dark Victory. We would only see Tim as Nightwing/Robin in the final scene of the movie when Batman introduces his partner to Gordon at the Bat-Signal

Before anyone asks, my username refers to Christian Bale's look in "The Machinist"

One hell of a first post, dude. I don't think it's a good direction for the character. Once you take out Robin's lighter moments, the character ain't Robin no more.

 

[RobinWB]

Hello, luco.

Yes, Batman needing a succesor creates a real need for the character without turning Batman into a father and putting a colorful underage at his side.



Hello, rude sir.

I don’t think I’ve called Robin campy. But his colorful nature destroys what Batman is, a loner dark figure.

As a conflicted edgy character what Batman doesn’t need is balance. Batman – as any other character - works and becomes more interesting when he’s unstable. The minute he gets stable and the edginess dissapears he’s no longer in danger to fall. It’s like giving stability to a tightrope walker.

As you see, my points are far beyond the 1960’s TV series which I don’t think I’ve mentioned either.

thats where your wrong arrogant sir, thats where the dichotomy of batman is fascinating, because he's in a way a loner thats really not, Robin, &Batgirl are his surrogate family, that he makes up for not having a real one of his own, and that makes him even more of an interesting and more of a vulnerable character, because, now theres the peril of ....now when hes battling villains its not only his ass on the line, its his surrogate family too, and thats adds more great drama & tension & Flesh's bruce's character out even more!

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Originally Posted By NoirMan82

One hell of a first post, dude. I don't think it's a good direction for the character. Once you take out Robin's lighter moments, the character ain't Robin no more.

See that's where the problem exactly lies
I know I have gone a bit overboard with Robin's origin essentially turning him into the most screwed up child on the planet but we would also need to justify his existence in Batman's world. He is a constant reminder of the fact that Batman has failed and begun a vicious never ending cycle of masked vigilantes. Now, he will have to work harder than ever so that it doesn't happen a third time. Also, remember how I said he would get all friendly with Alfred, well there you have it. A little bit of witty banter and people are reminded that Robin is still a kid at heart

As far as lighter moments go, in subsequent stories you would see Robin lighten up a bit thanks to the homely feeling he is given back at Wayne Manor and after Bruce starts to see him as an equal, he starts to feel a little better about life.
Also, you get a cookie if you can guess where I got the Battle Staff idea from

 

[RobinWB]

was the battle staff idea, from the animated episode? and the idea of naming him Nightwing before hes robin is lame! Robin's named actually came from Robin hood, not the bird like everyone assumes, you could easily say hell call himself robin, because, because after Graysons dad died in the circus he remebered his father's fave hero was robin hood, because he gave justice for those who were less fortunate or something!

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Originally Posted By RobinWB

was the battle staff idea, from the animated episode? and the idea of naming him Nightwing before hes robin is lame! Robin's named actually came from Robin hood, not the bird like everyone assumes, you could easily say hell call himself robin, because, because after Graysons dad died in the circus he remebered his father's fave hero was robin hood, because he gave justice for those who were less fortunate or something!

Yes, I got the battle staff idea from Teen Titans animated. Good guess.
Anyway, I know call him Nightwing from the get go is lame but you have to consider the fact that Nolan's Batman relies heavily on the concepts of fear and deception. The idea is to give yourself an image that frightens your foes and that includes having a name that has certain dark or even occult-ish tones to it.
Sure, Tim can say that he wants to be named after the world's first (?) masked vigilante Robin Hood but I really don't think the name fits the theme no matter how brutally or viciously Robin beats up his opponents. However, it is funny to think of how criminals would learn to fear his name even though it sounds tame compared to the person it belongs to.

Hmm...
Robin Hood---> Robin---> Red Hood---> Red Robin

 

[RobinWB]

Yes, I got the battle staff idea from Teen Titans animated. Good guess.
Anyway, I know call him Nightwing from the get go is lame but you have to consider the fact that Nolan's Batman relies heavily on the concepts of fear and deception. The idea is to give yourself an image that frightens your foes and that includes having a name that has certain dark or even occult-ish tones to it.
Sure, Tim can say that he wants to be named after the world's first (?) masked vigilante Robin Hood but I really don't think the name fits the theme no matter how brutally or viciously Robin beats up his opponents. However, it is funny to think of how criminals would learn to fear his name even though it sounds tame compared to the person it belongs to.

Hmm...
Robin Hood---> Robin---> Red Hood---> Red Robin

tahts weird anorexic i wrote that message to you why does it say originally posted by noir man??

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I fixed it.
LOL! SORRY!

 

[El Payaso]

thats where your wrong arrogant sir, thats where the dichotomy of batman is fascinating, because he's in a way a loner thats really not,

How fascinating.

It's like making him a dark character that's really not. The good thing about Batman then, would be great things that are really not.

Robin, &Batgirl are his surrogate family, that he makes up for not having a real one of his own, and that makes him even more of an interesting and more of a vulnerable character, because, now theres the peril of ....now when hes battling villains its not only his ass on the line, its his surrogate family too, and thats adds more great drama & tension & Flesh's bruce's character out even more!

Yes. That's exactly one of the reasions why he has a secret identity and is still single deprived of a normal life.

Batman's vulnerable because of his inner instability. He doesn't need sidekick teens to prove that point. Specially if the sidekicks ruins what he is at the core.

 

[RobinWB]

i do NOT agree with you they do not take away from him, they only add more layers, the entire 90s animated series proves it, and its Nosense when you say beacuse its animation because,beacuse every episode of the animated series has more depth, than every single Live action film! thats a Testament to Great writers!

 

[El Payaso]

i do NOT agree with you they do not take away from him, they only add more layers,

And those layers contradict what Batman is at the core.

the entire 90s animated series proves it,

Proves that those type of characters can work at comics and animation.

and its Nosense when you say beacuse its animation because,beacuse every episode of the animated series has more depth, than every single Live action film! thats a Testament to Great writers!

Which doesn't prove they could work on a live action serious film.

 

[RobinWB]

And those layers contradict what Batman is at the core.



Proves that those type of characters can work at comics and animation.



Which doesn't prove they could work on a live action serious film.

Actually it doesnt it just proves you really dont know what batman is about you just think you do! and in anycase this movie is one step closer to having Robin and Batgirl anyway ! there having people up in this movie dressing up like batmans and going out fighting crime on there own! and people talk about robin and batgirl wouldnt work in this series?? please tell to someone else Robin and batgirl will work in the Nolanverse!

 

[RobinWB]

And those layers contradict what Batman is at the core.



Proves that those type of characters can work at comics and animation.



Which doesn't prove they could work on a live action serious film.

actually it does it proves Great writers can make anything happen, i take it your not a great writer?

 

[El Payaso]

Actually it doesnt it just proves you really dont know what batman is about you just think you do! and in anycase this movie is one step closer to having Robin and Batgirl! there having people up in this movie dressing up like batmans and going out fighting crime on there own! and people talk about robin and batgirl wouldnt work in this series?? please tell to someone else Robin and batgirl will work in the Nolanverse!

Yes, Bale refusing to work if Robin's there and Nolan saying he won't be using Robin - not to mention none of them have even thought of Batgirl - might somehow mean we're closer to have Robin in this series.

Having other people dressing like Batman will only prove we don't need colorful teenager sidekicks to deal with the subject.

 

[El Payaso]

actually it does it proves Great writers can make anything happen, i take it your not a great writer?

I certainly take it you don't have a clue about directing a live action movie. Paper sheets resist anything.

 

[RobinWB]

Yes, Bale refusing to work if Robin's there and Nolan saying he won't be using Robin - not to mention none of them have even thought of Batgirl - might somehow mean we're closer to have Robin in this series.

Having other people dressing like Batman will only prove we don't need colorful teenager sidekicks to deal with the subject.

Actually its only Bale! not nolan i can tell Nolan is contemplating robin, from all the three interviews hes been given, hes never out right said no to robin, the first interview, he said Robin is in a crib somehwere , the second, when he was asked back then who he would cast as robin, he said "Frankie Muniz, "but he might be a bit too old now", and the third on moviehole when asked about, putting robin in a future movie He said " Possibly" so hes never outright said No robin! thats total bull!

 

[El Payaso]

Actually its only Bale! not nolan i can tell Nolan is contemplating robin, from all the three interviews hes been given, hes never out right said no to robin, the first interview, he said Robin is in a crib somehwere , the second, when he was asked back then who he would cast as robin, he said "Frankie Muniz, "but he might be a bit too old now", and the third on moviehole when asked about, putting robin in a future movie He said " Possibly" so hes never outright said No robin! thats total bull!

Nolan's smart guy. He said NO three times indirectly. But in all his three bat-movies there will be no Robin.

 

[RobinWB]

Nolan's smart guy. He said NO three times indirectly. But in all his three bat-movies there will be no Robin.

and your not so much of a smart guy, your an arrogant toss, that tries to twist everything to your own way, there will be a robin in the films, and now that DC will have more control of theire charcters and content ala marvel! what a fool youll look like when robin shows up in nolan's films! too bad so sad payaso

 

[Killing Joke926]

Let's say if Robin was gonna be in Nolan's universe, and I know this gonna be a long shot, and I just thought of this a second ago so I don't what you guys think or even how it would turn out for that matter, but if he casted Ricky Ullman for Dick?

 

[RobinWB]

Let's say if Robin was gonna be in Nolan's universe, and I know this gonna be a long shot, and I just thought of this a second ago so I don't what you guys think or even how it would turn out for that matter, but if he casted Ricky Ullman for Dick?

wow actually think he would be a great choice! you know whats funny a kid named Ricky was originally cast as robin in Burtons batfilm, i forgot what his last name was but he was in the original movie version of Salems Lot!

 

[Keyser Soze]

and your not so much of a smart guy, your an arrogant toss, that tries to twist everything to your own way, there will be a robin in the films, and now that DC will have more control of theire charcters and content ala marvel! what a fool youll look like when robin shows up in nolan's films! too bad so sad payaso

You know, Freddie, it's funny. I remember you on here back in 2005/2006, talking about how Robin would DEFINITELY be in "The Dark Knight" (before we even knew it was called "The Dark Knight"), and about how foolish we'd look when he showed up, and how you'd laugh at us. And look how that turned out.

If DC is taking more active control of their films, what exactly makes you think this equates to Robin in the third film? I'd assume the folks at DC will be likely to say "Please, Mr. Nolan, go right on continuing to pull in bucketfuls of money for us doing the films the way you want to do them, it's worked well enough in 2005 and 2008."

I'm not saying NEVER EVER EVER for Robin. If they could find a way to make him work, I'd be all for seeing him make an appearance. But I'd hardly say he's essential. Nolan has already proven more than capable of making a good Batfilm without Robin.

 

[RobinWB]

You know, Freddie, it's funny. I remember you on here back in 2005/2006, talking about how Robin would DEFINITELY be in "The Dark Knight" (before we even knew it was called "The Dark Knight"), and about how foolish we'd look when he showed up, and how you'd laugh at us. And look how that turned out.

If DC is taking more active control of their films, what exactly makes you think this equates to Robin in the third film? I'd assume the folks at DC will be likely to say "Please, Mr. Nolan, go right on continuing to pull in bucketfuls of money for us doing the films the way you want to do them, it's worked well enough in 2005 and 2008."

I'm not saying NEVER EVER EVER for Robin. If they could find a way to make him work, I'd be all for seeing him make an appearance. But I'd hardly say he's essential. Nolan has already proven more than capable of making a good Batfilm without Robin.

thats where your Completely wrong, the character is completely essential to the batman mythos it separates him from other heroes, after Dark knight it's going t get tiresome trotting out the same old lame story line batman's dark trauma boohoo , a new villan emerges, Robin is part of Batman's Growth as a character, always will be ! lets get this STRAIGHT batman as a Character himself has only been with out robin a total of 1 YEAR THATS IT just one year! he was Created in 1939 Robin was created in 1940! robin's with with batman from 1940 to now! hes lasted that Long! many fans love the charcter, year one is REVISED CONTINUITY! all that stuff about him coming in year three is updated! Batman has been with robin from the Getgo! hes part of batman's Major history! so he is essential, lest get that straight!