The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

Do you want to see Robin appear in a future BB movie?

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  • Don't care/ Who's Robin?

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You're not thinking of it in a positive way, though. I could see Nolan introducing Robin really well. A 13-16 year old kid, who lost his parents in a similar gruesome way, right in front of him... Bruce feels compassion for him, and adopts him, because he saw some of himself in the child. He becomes somewhat of a father figure to him... etc... I know that it won't happen, but we're thinking of it negatively because Robin was always comic relief, or just some creepy older guy in the other movies. They should at least introduce him in 3, because he is an important part to Batman. But, if they don't, I'll still love the series nonetheless.
 
I'd be happy with just a hint of Dick Grayson's existance in the universe, like the final page of Batman & the Mad Monk, the billboard advertising Haley's Circus coming to Gotham. End the next movie in a similar way and leave it up to the next director.
 
NO ROBIN!!!!! It's too early!!!
 
You're not thinking of it in a positive way, though. I could see Nolan introducing Robin really well. A 13-16 year old kid, who lost his parents in a similar gruesome way, right in front of him... Bruce feels compassion for him, and adopts him, because he saw some of himself in the child. He becomes somewhat of a father figure to him... etc... I know that it won't happen, but we're thinking of it negatively because Robin was always comic relief, or just some creepy older guy in the other movies. They should at least introduce him in 3, because he is an important part to Batman. But, if they don't, I'll still love the series nonetheless.

Correct. Robin does not equal comic relief. Granted, that has been more or less his role in some eras of the mythos, but the character itself plays a HUGE part in the formation of The Batman. Not including the character is almost a slap on the face of the source material. But I would never expect Nolan to want to include the character, for some obvious reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum.
 
No, he's not. At all. You can't just read a couple Frank Miller books and then use that characterization to stand for all of Batman. Batman, in his early years, was quite antisocial, but characters develop.

Batman has had more allies in his history than just about any other character. He's had a plethora of sidekicks, he's a founding member of the Justice League, leader of The Outsiders, and there's a book (and soon to be cartoon) that's dedicated to Batman teaming up with other heroes.

And in Frank Miller's books Batman did have a Robin-in both all star and Dark Knight Returns

Don't add robin christopher Nolan, just don't. Robin would take the darkness out of the film. this is what the dark knight would of been like if robin were In the film.


Batman: I know what I have to become to stop men like him
Robin: Holy (insert strangest word here) Batman! I have spotted the joker!
(silence)
Robin: And I made our suits more stylish! Look! I added more detail into the suit!
Batman: Those aren't details, they are nipples.
Robin: well, gay people like me need movies also!
Batman: I QUIT! EVEN THOUGH I AM ON A CONTRACT, I QUIT!!

and we would lose Christian Bale. Besides, almost all of the major actors said they DO NOT want robin in the film, so if Nolan put robin in the film, almost everyone would quit.

Actually, you know when you're a director and your trying to move away from the camp... you won't have a scene like that
 
i don't get everyone saying that robin detracts from batman, that batman is a loner, well there are some people that disagree, namely all the writers and editors at dccomics, who see it fit to do the character justice, who fit him into the dark world, and someone a bit back said that everyone who reads the comics hates robin, i wholeheartedly disagree.
 
Actually, you know when you're a director and your trying to move away from the camp... you won't have a scene like that

Don't feed the troll, man, even if he's asking for it.:o
 
"If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I'll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work." - Christian Bale
 
"If Robin crops up in one of the new Batman films, I'll be chaining myself up somewhere and refusing to go to work." - Christian Bale

Welcome to two weeks ago.
 
You're not thinking of it in a positive way, though. I could see Nolan introducing Robin really well. A 13-16 year old kid, who lost his parents in a similar gruesome way, right in front of him... Bruce feels compassion for him, and adopts him, because he saw some of himself in the child. He becomes somewhat of a father figure to him... etc... I know that it won't happen, but we're thinking of it negatively because Robin was always comic relief, or just some creepy older guy in the other movies. They should at least introduce him in 3, because he is an important part to Batman. But, if they don't, I'll still love the series nonetheless.

I'll repeat myself: who's going to give an orphan to a 30 something year old single billionaire with a womanizer pyromaniac reputation? No one. And why would Bruce suddenly feel this fatherhood urge that will do nothing but to interfere with his mission as Batman? Why would he feel that risking an underage is part of what he is? Why would he give the boy an abnormal life without a mother?

Correct. Robin does not equal comic relief. Granted, that has been more or less his role in some eras of the mythos, but the character itself plays a HUGE part in the formation of The Batman. Not including the character is almost a slap on the face of the source material.

I feel its inclusion was a slap on the face to the original concept of Batman. Merely included to attract a younger audience is far from being a solid reason or a real need for Batman.

Welcome to two weeks ago.

Why, has Bale (or Nolan) changed his mind in the last 13 days?
 
I can ( and would love ) to see a nolan version of catwoman.

Penguin can work, but he would just be another mobster ( after falcone and maroni, isn't it time to go to something else ? ) so I can live without him on screen.

But how the hell can you see Robin in the dark and dirty realistic world of the nolan Batman ? And I don't say that we can't have a robin without the campiness of his previous interpretation, you're true. But look at it, who is Robin ? A 12 / 13 years old boy.

I can see at one point Bruce Wayne adopt dick grayson ( if Nolan want to develop the Bruce Wayne character, making him a father ) but come on ! How can you see in a world when Batman mission is to threaten his enemies a 12 years old boy in a costume ?

What kind of hero would be Batman if he did it ? and what kind of father ? An irresponsible one of course. And how seriously would his enemies consider him if he has a 12 years old sidekick ? Batman would abandon all of what he has " build " since Batman Begins.

And if you tried to make robin " older ", then you lost the father and son relationship so important in the comic and then... homoerotic tone, here we go ! ( I'm sorry, I'm not homophobic at all, but when you bring the homoerotic tone ( which isn't in the comic ), you bring also all the campiness that can have the character )

Well, in fact, the only way to have a robin in this universe is to directly adapt a death in the family. Bruce adopts Jason Todd who discovered that he is Batman. Driven by eager, Jason trained himself ( without Bruce agreeing ) and try to make " like his father ", only to be killed at one of his first solo attempt by the joker. ( but it would be similar to... you know what )

the wannabe Batman killed in action is the only way to ever have a Robin in the Nolan universe, because Dick Grayson and Timm Drake Robin won't work at all, campy or not. Not Nolan nor Burton used him in fact, there was a reason...
 
Bale's just pissy that he didn't get the role when he auditioned for it back in '93.
 
Robin wouldn't need to be out there fighting thugs with Batman, he could be his eyes & ears, watching from a distance, keeping him updated with things, or even back at the cave finding out information and relaying it to him. (Theres a good episode of TAS where a Samuari (or Ninja) Bruce knew from years back shows up again and Robin helps Bruce defeat him without anyone even realising hes there, he sticks to the shadows. ) Maybe help out with a bit of recon work, his gymnastic abilities would make it believeable he could sneak into buildings, plant devices etc. There are ways to include him and make him useful without resorting to him being out there fighting drug dealers and psycho clowns. And it would be interesting to see Bruce become a father-figure himself after we saw his relationship with his own father in Begins.
 
they could even explore how reckless it was for bruce to adopt him, or have robin get the crap kicked out of him in the first mission, show that bruce was rushing a decision in his grief over all he's lost.
 
Bale's just pissy that he didn't get the role when he auditioned for it back in '93.

Yeah, I'm sure he's really pissy that he got the role with Nolan but didn't ruin his career doing a Schumacher's Bat-movie. That HAS to be the reason. :up:

Robin wouldn't need to be out there fighting thugs with Batman, he could be his eyes & ears, watching from a distance, keeping him updated with things, or even back at the cave finding out information and relaying it to him.

We have that with Luicius Fox, Alfred and Gordon and with them we can keep the serious tone and save ourselves the colorful inner light tone of the boy wonder.

And it would be interesting to see Bruce become a father-figure himself after we saw his relationship with his own father in Begins.

His relationship with his father changed dramatically after the killing. Now he's devoted to a mission, not to start a family.
 
Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned orphan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while duck grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".

I mean they dont have to bring a immature sidekick into the fold in Nolans universe, i would think it'd be better to start off with Nightwing, a more mature darker character that ppl love.

Well tell me what you guys think, thanks!
 
Well there have been speculation that a dick grayson character might surface in the nolan universe of batman. But if there were to be a dick grayson character should he become robin or nightwing?

Well perhaps if dick grayson was introduced to the franchise he would be introduced as a abandoned orphan in his teens, maybe 16 or something like that.

And while duck grayson was little, maybe 6 or 7, he runs into a bruce wayne (in his teens) and they discuss there losses, bruce knowing that dick is a orphan that lost his parents to the mob. They discuss how gotham can be saved and how both of them will avenge there parents death. So dick (a child) and bruce (a teenager) become somewhat friends with tensions and differences. Then Bruce suddenly leaves gotham without anyone knowing (Batman Begins). And then years later after bruce had returned and had become the dark knight, batman is in a footrace to catch a thug that escaped the asylum. And then batman is about to catch the thug, when suddenly someone jumps from the rooftop and topples the thug, that someone is Nightwing. Nightwing then introduces himself to batman saying "hello bruce". Nightwing knew that bruce had become batman from their talks in the past about catching the criminals one day. Batman says "how do you know who i am?" Nightwing responds "oh bruce, you dont remember little old me, how many abandoned orphans do you run into when your young huh bruce?". Then bruce (batman) says "Dick?"
Nightwing says "in the flesh, you didnt think id survive in the narrows did you? Well people also didnt think bruce wayne wouldnt come back after 7 years".

I mean they dont have to bring a immature sidekick into the fold in Nolans universe, i would think it'd be better to start off with Nightwing, a more mature darker character that ppl love.

Well tell me what you guys think, thanks!

That is stupid, how would Nightwing know Batman if Bruce wasn't Batman before he left, before he left Bruce just wanted to kill his parent's murder
 
Welcome to the boards Slain and Skullen! :yay:
 
Well to be honest if Batman has trained him wouldn't he be able to handle himself and plus, Batman's methods are more stealth so wouldn't Robin be more stealthy like Batman. And to be honest the way Frank Miller used Robin in DKR was good, he used him but didnt have him doing overly dangerous stuff like he went undercover, helped Batman capture people without being seen and got Batman out of jams with the batbike.
 
We have that with Luicius Fox, Alfred and Gordon and with them we can keep the serious tone and save ourselves the colorful inner light tone of the boy wonder.

His relationship with his father changed dramatically after the killing. Now he's devoted to a mission, not to start a family.
Yes Batman has help with Luicius, Alfred and Gordon but only Alfred can help him full time (and given his age, for how long?), he is now wanted by Gordon & the police, and we've seen Batman is willing to do things Luicius morally disagrees with. Another pair of hands couldn't hurt. Theres a nice moment in Dark Victory where Dick before he even becomes Robin solves a riddle Bruce & Alfred can't figure out, we could see something like that.

And I didn't say he wanted to start a family, but as we saw after Chill killed his parents Bruce was filled with revenge until the day Chill died, it would be interesting (I think at least) for Bruce to see the similarities between what happened to him and what happens to Dick and to try and stop him going down that path of revenge, to try and give him a better life. Basically the exact reasons he takes him in during Dark Victory, which shows how similar the two are really well, I think its a theme that could make for an interesting film, and in fact you can do it without even having Robin in costume, just introduce Dick Grayson and have Bruce take him in, leave Robin for another film.
 
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