The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[James Bond 007]

Oh God No

 

[raybia]

I have to agree with Ronnie.

If Nolan doesn't want Robin then I don't want Robin because it would feel forced.

Dick/Robin can be introduced after the Nolan trilogy and ONLY if they can do it in a rational way (or as rational as giving a Billionaire Playboy who fight crime at night dressed as a Bat who has a teenager as his sidekick can be.)

Right now, it just way too early anyway.

 

[James Bond 007]

I agree on both counts, it's too early, and it HAS to be done as RATIONALLY and as REALISTICALLY as POSSIBLE. I just think it's a shame Nolan doesn't wanna do it.

 

[Two-Face]

And he doesn't have to, end of.

 

[afan]

The only question to ask is.... can a serious film/story be told about a relationship between an adult and a child?

The answer is yes.

Literature and film history are rife with examples. The basic dramatic concept is sound, and has been applied to characters in numerous settings. Why then should a Batman film by it's nature alone be exempt from a proven dramatic device?

 

[James Bond 007]

I know he doesn't have to, I just want him to, and I'm saying it's a shame he doesn't want to, but, c'est la vie, my last post of the day, I'm a first class newbie, yay me, I'll be back tomorrow to do another 30 posts, and the next day to do another 30 posts, until I get my avatar. I have to do 300 posts. JESUS.

EDIT: Hey, I'm not a first class newbie, I'm a Side-Kick, yay me.

 

[El Payaso]

Holy jeebus man.

 

[raybia]

The only question to ask is.... can a serious film/story be told about a relationship between an adult and a child?

The answer is yes.

Literature and film history are rife with examples. The basic dramatic concept is sound, and has been applied to characters in numerous settings. Why then should a Batman film by it's nature alone be exempt from a proven dramatic device?

Well, if its going to be done, then the model for this relationship should be from the movie, "The Road to Perdition.

Otherwise, forget it.

 

[Abe Rush]

The only question to ask is.... can a serious film/story be told about a relationship between an adult and a child?

I think that putting it this way is a bit too simplistic... The dynamic between Batman & Robin in the same movie is more than just a simple relationship between an adult and a child. When looked upon this way, it's easy to say that it's more than do-able, but the problem comes when you add the fact that the child in question in the relationship is physically able to follow a grown man on his day to day run to rid the streets of bad guys and is able to do battle against thugs and thiefs of all shapes and sizes. THAT's where it becomes somewhat unbelievable... I don't think it's ever been about "making a relationship between an adult and a child work" on the big screen, but rather managing to add an element like Robin without making the movie somewhat cheesy or corny.

There lies the "real" problem... ( and I'm not saying it's impossible )

 

[Angry Sentinel]

^I think Raybia gave a great example of the same elements you just described. Road to perdition was excellent btw.

 

[Saint]

Robin is easy. You make him support for Batman--he's the one doing surveillance, recon, things like that. He's the one coordinating with Batman from the cave, from the car, or somewhere out of danger. He would only enter combat situations against Batman's will, if at all. Also, he should probably be sixteen.

 

[Abe Rush]

Robin is easy. You make him support for Batman--he's the one doing surveillance, recon, things like that. He's the one coordinating with Batman from the cave, from the car, or somewhere out of danger. He would only enter combat situations against Batman's will, if at all. Also, he should probably be sixteen.

I do think this would be the best way to go...
In my mind, Robin shouldn't be out there fighting crime with Batman ( not at his age ), he should be doing recon work for him. Maybe he could be an expert in computers of some sort...

 

[afan]

I think that putting it this way is a bit too simplistic... The dynamic between Batman & Robin in the same movie is more than just a simple relationship between an adult and a child. When looked upon this way, it's easy to say that it's more than do-able, but the problem comes when you add the fact that the child in question in the relationship is physically able to follow a grown man on his day to day run to rid the streets of bad guys and is able to do battle against thugs and thiefs of all shapes and sizes. THAT's where it becomes somewhat unbelievable... I don't think it's ever been about "making a relationship between an adult and a child work" on the big screen, but rather managing to add an element like Robin without making the movie somewhat cheesy or corny.

There lies the "real" problem... ( and I'm not saying it's impossible )

Isn't Batman unbelievable already.......the character doesn't guarantee a believable treatment, he can also be successfully put in high camp.
The inclusion of Robin doesn't guarantee camp, just like Batman it depends on the treatment.

Dramatically the inclusion of a child in an adults life usually performs two functions:
Saves the adult from a less than desirable life path
or
The adult saves the child from same.

As we all know the Robin character introduces both these devices; a two-fer-one dramatic bonus.

 

[raybia]

Isn't Batman unbelievable already.......the character doesn't guarantee a believable treatment, he can also be successfully put in high camp.
The inclusion of Robin doesn't guarantee camp, just like Batman it depends on the treatment.

Dramatically the inclusion of a child in an adults life usually performs two functions:
Saves the adult from a less than desirable life path
or
The adult saves the child from same.

As we all know the Robin character introduces both these devices; a two-fer-one dramatic bonus.

Robin is easy. You make him support for Batman--he's the one doing surveillance, recon, things like that. He's the one coordinating with Batman from the cave, from the car, or somewhere out of danger. He would only enter combat situations against Batman's will, if at all. Also, he should probably be sixteen.

Add both of these to the "Road to Perdition" model and its very doable. I think it would make him a little younger. 14 or 15.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Robin should be a ******

"I'm Dick Grayson, b1tch!"

 

[Kritish]

Robin is simply not realistic it would be like adding Killer Croc.

 

[maxmccumber]

The amazing thing is that Tim Burton wanted Marlon Wayans to play Robin in BR and before he left the director's chair of BF. Imagine what that would have been like, hmm....Nolan is so reluctant to introduce Robin because he got a lot of credit for reviving the franchise from the embarrassment of B&R and doesn't want to screw it up.

 

[Katsuro]

The amazing thing is that Tim Burton wanted Marlon Wayans to play Robin in BR and before he left the director's chair of BF. Imagine what that would have been like, hmm....Nolan is so reluctant to introduce Robin because he got a lot of credit for reviving the franchise from the embarrassment of B&R and doesn't want to screw it up.

Now imagne how much credit he'd get for doing a damn good Robin on film.

 

[El Payaso]

Anyone that can make a good thing out of a crappy character deserves a monument.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Anyone that can make a good thing out of a crappy character deserves a monument.

I could write a great Robin origin; something both faithful to the comics and yet serious and dramatic and respectful to Batman's character. I wrote a novel that features a sociopathic protagonist who does wind up, against his will, having to look after a kid, who has latched onto him to be the strong paternal role-model he lacks. It can be done. It can be done well. The kid can be used to give insight into the main character.

It really isn't that complicated.

 

[StorminNorman]

Anyone that can make a good thing out of a crappy character deserves a monument.

I have been saying Jeff Loeb has needed one for years...or atleast since I saw Heroes for the first time.

 

[Walks Unseen]

Robin is an integral part of Batman's story.

Problem with Robin in the film franchise is the time between the film productions and the unstoppable aging process, an authentically aged Robin(13 or so) in one film would be closer to NightWing age in a following film.

No. The problem with Robin is that he just dosen't work in a Batman film. He works very well in the comic books but he just dosen't work in the Batman films.

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah man. I mean, no.

 

[Eros]

If Batman can work a teenger in a bird outfit can work. They just need to make moviegoers understand why bruce would endanger the life of a kid.

 

[Riven]

Why can't some people seem to understand we want BATMAN's story, not that of Batman AND ROBIN ?

There is SOOOOOO much to do with Batman's character before any Robin should show up, so let's do that FIRST, shall we?