The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Katsuro]

Nah, that's like demanding Superboy before Superman.

Btw, since this is a Robin discussion, anyone ineterested in defending Superboy too?

Superboy's been written out of comic continuity (that is if we're talking about Clark-Kent-in-Smallville Superboy). Robin, on the otherhand, is still in comic continuity, and has been for one year less than Batman has existed. So really, it's more like demanding Jimmy Olsen in a Superman movie.

 

[El Payaso]

And continuity means what where?

Tradition? Something's that has been there for so long that.... should stay there because of... the sake of continuity?

 

[Katsuro]

And continuity means what where?

Tradition? Something's that has been there for so long that.... should stay there because of... the sake of continuity?

Usual practice in making an adaptation of something from another medium is to stick close to the source material. Robin is a part of that source material. If you dont like a humongous part of the Batman mythos, why do you care what happens in his movies?

 

[El Payaso]

Usual practice in adaptations sometimes erases secondary characters (or plotlines) for different reasons; between them is to make the adaptation a better thing than the original source IF the secondary character does nothing good about the main character or main plotline. Robin's case, where the humongous amount of years does nothing.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Nah, that's like demanding Superboy before Superman.

LOL. Not exactly. I mean, Batman is Nightwing's mentor. Dick shouldn't be Nightwing until his training is complete. In the meantime he needs a disguise, while he's out with Batman doing his thing. At least that's the way I look at it.

 

[darwinwins]

oh yeah here's a good idea. while we're at it, let's make him gay just to update the character.

 

[Nepenthes]

Robin would be awesome if you combine the right elements. And from WB's perspective introducing Robin eventually is a no brainer...I just hope when the time comes the franchise is still generally in 'serious' mode.

I've said it before. After a break, movie four will start Robin in a new trilogy.

 

[Katsuro]

oh yeah here's a good idea. while we're at it, let's make him gay just to update the character.

Darwin obviously doesn't win, if you're still alive.

 

[El Payaso]

LOL. Not exactly. I mean, Batman is Nightwing's mentor. Dick shouldn't be Nightwing until his training is complete. In the meantime he needs a disguise, while he's out with Batman doing his thing. At least that's the way I look at it.

And Superman can't be Superman without being Superboy and train himself in saving people, flying etc etc. Bottomoline: If we go for the good bits of the stories we can skip both boys.

oh yeah here's a good idea. while we're at it, let's make him gay just to update the character.

That's too old to be called updating.

 

[Nepenthes]

Darwin obviously doesn't win, if you're still alive.

hah!

 

[Superman79]

screw robin...too much opportunity in his character to make the movies go in a cutsie/campy/goofy direction (much like that damn kid in the Superman movies now...damn you Singer )

 

[Miranda Fox]

Darwin obviously doesn't win, if you're still alive.

Smackdown!

 

[Keymaker]

Do you guys really want to see some 13 year old dude running around in tights and fighting maniacs?

 

[Big Supes]

If Nolan adds Robin it will take away all realism of the character.

Bruce Wayne is a one off.

Robin is ghey.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

And Superman can't be Superman without being Superboy and train himself in saving people, flying etc etc. Bottomoline: If we go for the good bits of the stories we can skip both boys.

Superman was Superboy? That's pre-crisis continuity, isn't it? The difference is that Superman doesn't need training because he's Super. He doesn't need to learn how to be bulletproof, it came with the DNA. Also Siegel and Shuster did not start by telling "Superboy" stories and then growing him into Superman. They started with Superman stories and at some point it was learned that he had begun his Superheroism as a boy in tights. It was never central to the story.

Nightwing, on the other hand, was trained by Batman. He's a grownup Robin, and Robin is an icon, recognizeable all over the world. Nightwing wouldn't be half as cool as he is if he wasn't essentially a rebirth of an old character who was less cool. Honestly it makes Nightwing a more interesting character. Without his beginnings as Robin, the Boy Wonder, Nightwing would just be a Batman clone.

Much in the way that Neal Adams' redesign of the classic Robin suit for Tim Drake would not be half as cool if that silly Robin Hood suit that Dick and Jason wore hadn't come before it (and been a 50-year old icon).

 

[Keyser Sushi]

If Nolan adds Robin it will take away all realism of the character.

I don't necessarily want to see Robin anytime soon, but "realism" is a silly argument. Nolan tried to bring some credibility to the series with his approach, but the talk of "realism" is done a bit much, I think. Even Begins was not exactly "realistic," don't you think?

Robin is ghey.

Oh, well put. Very intelligent case you make there.

Well, you know what they say: ignorance is bliss.

Your existence must be blissful indeed.

 

[Big Supes]

Superman was Superboy? That's pre-crisis continuity, isn't it? The difference is that Superman doesn't need training because he's Super. He doesn't need to learn how to be bulletproof, it came with the DNA. Also Siegel and Shuster did not start by telling "Superboy" stories and then growing him into Superman. They started with Superman stories and at some point it was learned that he had begun his Superheroism as a boy in tights. It was never central to the story.

I totally agree. To add: Superboy was created just to sell more comics as was Supergirl, aswell as, yes, Superdog. It should never be used as a reference to the present continuity. Kal-el went on a journey through 'Space and Time' with Jor-el, for 12 years to learn who he was.

 

[Big Supes]

I don't necessarily want to see Robin anytime soon, but "realism" is a silly argument. Nolan tried to bring some credibility to the series with his approach, but the talk of "realism" is done a bit much, I think. Even Begins was not exactly "realistic," don't you think?

I think realism is a key point when it comes to BB. The character is believable. The success/determination runs in his family bloodline. The cause was deep, the actions were hard. He trained with the best, and he was 'their' best.

Oh, well put. Very intelligent case you make there.

You not like that?? t: . Couldn't help myself, sorry.

Well, you know what they say: ignorance is bliss.

Obviously not in this case.

Your existence must be blissful indeed.

'You said it'

 

[El Payaso]

Superman was Superboy? That's pre-crisis continuity, isn't it? The difference is that Superman doesn't need training because he's Super. He doesn't need to learn how to be bulletproof, it came with the DNA. Also Siegel and Shuster did not start by telling "Superboy" stories and then growing him into Superman. They started with Superman stories and at some point it was learned that he had begun his Superheroism as a boy in tights. It was never central to the story.

Summing up; Superman doesn't need to be Superboy the same Batman doesn't need a Robin. You cxan have Superbioy if you want and it makes sense he was a younger Superman, but who has the energy for some 1950's vibe character anymore?

Nightwing, on the other hand, was trained by Batman. He's a grownup Robin, and Robin is an icon, recognizeable all over the world. Nightwing wouldn't be half as cool as he is if he wasn't essentially a rebirth of an old character who was less cool. Honestly it makes Nightwing a more interesting character. Without his beginnings as Robin, the Boy Wonder, Nightwing would just be a Batman clone.

So no matter how you look at it, the idea is greater and greater.

Much in the way that Neal Adams' redesign of the classic Robin suit for Tim Drake would not be half as cool if that silly Robin Hood suit that Dick and Jason wore hadn't come before it (and been a 50-year old icon).

Therefore, the stupid oiriginal suit can be ignored for the better. I'm trying to see a way to do the same with Robin.

I totally agree. To add: Superboy was created just to sell more comics as was Supergirl, aswell as, yes, Superdog.

Aswell as Robin.

It should never be used as a reference to the present continuity.

Aswell as Robin with the present movies.

Kal-el went on a journey through 'Space and Time' with Jor-el, for 12 years to learn who he was.

Batman doesn't need Robin to be Batman. Dick Grayson doesn't need to be Robin to be Nightwing.

Please Big Supes, not that I don't agree with you.

 

[Big Supes]

Summing up; Superman doesn't need to be Superboy the same Batman doesn't need a Robin. You cxan have Superbioy if you want and it makes sense he was a younger Superman, but who has the energy for some 1950's vibe character anymore?



Aswell as Robin.



Aswell as Robin with the present movies.



Batman doesn't need Robin to be Batman. Dick Grayson doesn't need to be Robin to be Nightwing.

Please Big Supes, not that I don't agree with you.

You are relating matters back to the topic of the thread.

I totally agree with what you are saying.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I totally agree. To add: Superboy was created just to sell more comics as was Supergirl, aswell as, yes, Superdog. It should never be used as a reference to the present continuity. Kal-el went on a journey through 'Space and Time' with Jor-el, for 12 years to learn who he was.

Yes, but to be fair Robin was created to sell comic books too. For that matter, so was Batman.

Characters are sometimes created for less-than-inspiring reasons. What matters is if they grow beyond that. Batman was created because DC wanted another Superman, since Superman was profitable.

But Batman was different, Kane and Finger not wanting to rip off Superman too blatantly - and over time the character has grown and become truly special.

Robin is the same way. He was invented just to make the comics more kid-friendly, which is a suckass reason to create a character. But he has grown beyond that.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I think realism is a key point when it comes to BB. The character is believable. The success/determination runs in his family bloodline. The cause was deep, the actions were hard. He trained with the best, and he was 'their' best.

I agree with you in principle. Make no mistake about that.

Batman is definitely one of most realistic superheroes. But he's not exactly real-world realistic. I mean you'd never mistake a Batman movie for a "based on a true story" type drama. LOL. With that in mind, where you have characters like Joker, Two-Face, and, a man dressed up as a bat... you can just as easily have a teenage ninja in a yellow cape. Doesn't mean that you necessarily SHOULD, but you COULD.

 

[Big Supes]

Yes, but to be fair Robin was created to sell comic books too. For that matter, so was Batman.

You've totally dismissed my point. "To sell MORE comics". If Robin was a separate mythos then fine but he's not. Introducing Robin is the same as Supes and Lois getting married. It was done to see 'MORE' comics.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Summing up; Superman doesn't need to be Superboy the same Batman doesn't need a Robin. You cxan have Superbioy if you want and it makes sense he was a younger Superman, but who has the energy for some 1950's vibe character anymore?

Make no mistake, good sir, I do not wish for some "Gee whiz! Look at 'im go, Batman!" type Robin. I don't want Beaver Cleaver in a cape.

(On a side note, isn't Beaver Cleaver just a horribly inappropriate name for a child? LOL!)

Robin can BE a dark character, and still be Robin. I never said there wasn't room for improvement.

Therefore, the stupid oiriginal suit can be ignored for the better. I'm trying to see a way to do the same with Robin.

Let me ask for clarification. Are you saying that you could accept a grown man called Nightwing as Batman's sidekick, or are you saying that Dick doesn't need to train with Batman at all?

 

[StorminNorman]

You've totally dismissed my point. "To sell MORE comics". If Robin was a separate mythos then fine but he's not. Introducing Robin is the same as Supes and Lois getting married. It was done to see 'MORE' comics.

No, Supes and Lois got hitched inorder to make more comics, not increase comic book sells. After 70 years the characters needed some new dynamic.