The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[The Joker]

But my point was that he was Robin before going to college. That's how i remember it anyway.

Of course, I was just putting an approximate age on him.

Btw, I love your avatar.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Of course, I was just putting an approximate age on him.

Btw, I love your avatar.

Thanks a lot! Its Dick as Batman from "Batman and Robin" #4.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

Not really. He hadnt even gone to college when he was Robin, so he must have been under 18. At some point during the series he leaves Gotham to go to college and later on he becomes Nightwing.

That said, 15-17 is a pretty good age for Robin.

From the BTAS Bible,

"In our series, Dick Grayson will be older than the "classic" depictions of Robin, and he will NOT be Batman's full time partner. Our Robin will be in his late teenage/early twenties years, and he'll operate pretty much as a solo adventurer and crime fighter. Of course, he will still have very close ties to Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Batman will call him in on cases from time to time.

As Robin, Dick possesses keen reflexes, acrobatic skill and strength and endurance that make him second only to Batman. He's also much more verbal than Batman, and will occasionally taunt criminals while he's fighting them. Robin will NOT however engage the hoods with witty repartee and puns; he's actually kind of a smart-ass, egging them to take their best shots and then decking the **** out of them.

Robin enjoys the thrill of crime-fighting, and Batman sometimes has to restrain him from charging into action without considering every deductive angle first. This is indicative of their relationship as Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson, as well.

Though Dick also lost his parents to crime, he is not driven by Batman's inner demons."

Bio: Bound together by the tragedy they share, Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson's lives are distinctly similar. As part of the traveling circus's high wire act "The Flying Graysons," Dick Grayson witnessed his parents' death while they performed at the Haley Circus. A two bit extortionist, Tony Zucco, cut the wire to gain kickbacks from the circus owner. Bruce Wayne, who was in the audience, felt an instant connection to the boy and took him in.

Shortly thereafter, Grayson became the ward of Bruce Wayne. Wayne provided him with a home, solid financial support and taught him new skills, adding to his tremendous gymnastic abilities. Eventually, Bruce Wayne allowed Grayson access to his most private world as his partner, Robin.
Dick Grayson attends Gotham State University causing him to spend less time as his alter ego. But thanks to semester breaks, Dick returns to Wayne Manor where he dons his famed red and green costume whenever the need arises.

Some notable episodes that involve mentions or instances with Dick in college,

- Christmas with the Joker (Home for the semester break)

- Fear of Victory (He uses the chemical on Gotham's greatest athletes at Gotham University, then bets against them to rake in the winnings. Dick Grayson, a.k.a. Robin, learns about this scheme through his roommate and later is infected by the chemical and becomes stricken senseless with fear.)

- House and Garden (Dick is kidnapped by Ivy for ransom against Bruce Wayne. Later when Dick is free they learn that his college professor is married to Ivy.)

That's just to name a few. The way I interpret it is, Dick loses his parents as a kid (around the same age as Wayne), having no other known family, Wayne takes in the boy because he can relate to him almost exactly, Batman searches for the boys killer, comes up empty handed, offers Dick a chance of living in Wayne Manor and being Wayne's ward/son, trains him, and then years later he grows up as a young adult as Robin.

Robin, has no place in a Batman movie made by Chris Nolan....Period.

Robin sucks b*lls.

Says you. A "Nolanized" Robin could be just as compelling as TDK Joker if not more done in a realistic and serious way, ala, Batman: The Animated Series.

Frankly, I don't really care either way. I like Batman as a single entity. But Robin done in ways listed above would be really exciting to see on film. Making a similar story could only add to Nolan's Batman films.

There's only a few more plots Nolan can work out before the next logical introduction is the "Dick Grayson/Robin story".

 

[Kurosawa]

I don't want Nolan handling Robin since he doesn't care for him.

 

[ClarkLuther55]

I don't want Nolan handling Robin since he doesn't care for him.

Fans shouldn't try to force directors into doing characters that they don't care for. It's very hard to work as if you're enthusiastic about something when you're not. Just look at the Raimi/Venom fiasco.

Robin has an odd place in Batman's mythology. He's at once a contradiction with the Batman world's basic mood and style (I don't think it's any secret that he was inserted to lighten things up for the kids) but he's been around for so long that he's become grandfathered in as a key part of the canon...Batman still has solo stories to this day.

I think it's because the best Batman is the solo Batman. Even after you accept the idea that superheroes work, it's harder to justify the dead-serious, extremely scary Batman allowing a kid to fight by his side in a colorful, unthreatening costume.

 

[Rodrigo90]

True. Raimi hated Venom and...well,you know the rest.

 

[RustyCage]

I think it's because the best Batman is the solo Batman. Even after you accept the idea that superheroes work, it's harder to justify the dead-serious, extremely scary Batman allowing a kid to fight by his side in a colorful, unthreatening costume.

Again, that's the point of adaptation, or "Nolanizing" Robin. You guys act like Nolan hasn't already refashioned elements of Batman with his own ideals in mind. A lot of people are under this assumption that he would be a little kid in bright flashy colors. Not necessarily so, nor would he have to be for the forementioned reason, or for many reasons other Robin supporters have listed that the other side seems to simply choose not to read.

I would worry, though, that it's a bit too late to do the exact same backstory that BTAS had (which someone else posted). Not that that's the only story possible or anything..

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Nolan likes Robin and I quote, "I don't want to put him the current movies because he's still in a crib somewhere"

This was just after Batman Begins

 

[RustyCage]

Nolan likes Robin and I quote, "I don't want to put him the current movies because he's still in a crib somewhere"

This was just after Batman Begins

Seriously?

Do you have a link or source for that?

 

[skiddyboy]

If Nolan puts Robin into one of his films, they will have to cast another actor as Batman because Bale has stated that he has no interest in a film featuring him.

I think that it would be a big mistake for Nolan to bring in Robin, as this is a "batman" film, and in the world that Nolan has set up, there would be no way that "millionaire playboy" Bruce Wayne would EVER adopt a kid.

As the poll states, NO ROBIN.

 

[skiddyboy]

Not me.......Robin sucks!!!

 

[El Payaso]

Nolan likes Robin and I quote, "I don't want to put him the current movies because he's still in a crib somewhere"

This was just after Batman Begins

I remember this. It was Nolan's polite way to say that he had no intentions of dealing with Robin.

I'm sure that if Nolan thought that Robin was of any worth Nolan would have taken him out from that "crib somewhere."

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Bale hates Robin because they did not cast him as Robin in Batman Forever. True story.

 

[El Payaso]

Bale never bloody auditioned for Robin:

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebr...never-have-bloody-auditioned-to-play-robin/1/

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Wow.

Here is a question. Why does everybody have a vendetta against Robin?
I don't hear people complaining about Bucky from Cap America!

 

[El Payaso]

Wow.

Here is a question. Why does everybody have a vendetta against Robin?
I don't hear people complaining about Bucky from Cap America!

I personally don't know much of or care too much for Capt. America and there's no Capt. America movie with Bucky in it, but in Batman case it is simply a matter of how a concept can be ruined by the addition of a sidekick. Robin simply doen't work well on movies, it destroys the dark lonely side of Batman and adds that fatherly figure that has nothing to do with Bruce Wayne/Batman.

 

[Two-Face]

True El agreed.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If Nolan puts Robin into one of his films, they will have to cast another actor as Batman because Bale has stated that he has no interest in a film featuring him.

I think that it would be a big mistake for Nolan to bring in Robin, as this is a "batman" film, and in the world that Nolan has set up, there would be no way that "millionaire playboy" Bruce Wayne would EVER adopt a kid.

As the poll states, NO ROBIN.

Actually that would be a nice way for the persona of Wayne to mature, from the spoiled rich brat to the focused businessman-philanthropist that we see in other versions of Batman.

Bale never bloody auditioned for Robin:

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebr...never-have-bloody-auditioned-to-play-robin/1/

I am not sure i believe him.

Wow.

Here is a question. Why does everybody have a vendetta against Robin?
I don't hear people complaining about Bucky from Cap America!

Because the Schumacher movies sucked and they made a scapegoat out of Robin when he was one of the best parts of Forever.

 

[Two-Face]

I believe him. Thank god he did not play Robin.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

You know what? Nolan should definately listen to the fans since they know everything! So No Robin!
I mean look at Raimi and Spider-Man 3. What a hit that was right?

 

[Mr. Earle]

And how do you know what the fans want? This poll is hardly representative since only 116 posters voted and i am willing to bet that only 5% of those have ever picked up a batman comic book, and only know Robin from the Schumacher movies.

Also, before TDK most of the people in here were suggesting a Joker who doesnt wear purple since "it would have been unrealistic" and what do you know? The Joker wore purple.
Maybe people only hate on Robin because they dont know anything about him. If Nolan just sticks to the Robin canon, i am telling you he's going to win the fans.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

Eh, I guess whatever happens happens. Still I'm sick of seeing this,

"RAH, RAH, Roben suks out loud guise. Betmen, despite bein fiction wuld NEVER raise a kid simila to a son. Nolan is teh best filmteller and storymacker along wit hes little bro J-Nol evar! wuteveer teh best goddamn batmen, BALE seyz is TRUE. Nevar pleyed roben, cuz roben sucks. I believe wutevar the media and mega stahs tell meh. Forevar sooks, cuz everyone tink so.

REALISTIC, REALISTIC, REALISTIC, er, HYPA WEREALITY, Betmen can HAPPON IRL!

WHO'S WIT me? Da great poll of poweh speaks fer itself amirite?!"

Then watch, we'll get word that Nolan is actually including Robin because he thinks that the character is a challenge and that he'd like to pull it off brilliantly. Then all the fanboys will be like,

"ROBEN IS TEH GREATEST SIDEKICK EVAH. DONE SO EPICALLY. NOLEN I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!"

Forget about roben, er, I mean Robin for a second and think about this. Would our Begins/Dark Knight Batman really not give a damn if a child witnessed the brutal murder of his parents like he did? Would he just let it go, especially if that kid had no other family to go to?

OF COURSE NOT. Batman can still be a dark lone vigilante while at the same time a millionare playboy that adopts a child. For the sake of storytelling imagine what the public would think.

"Bruce Wayne adopting a child, that careless playboy? Must be something in for him, I'd sooner send my kid off with Batman!"

Stuff like that. It could work, be dark, and REALISTIC.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Eh, I guess whatever happens happens. Still I'm sick of seeing this,

"RAH, RAH, Roben suks out loud guise. Nolan is teh best filmteller and storymacker along wit hes little bro J-Nol evar! wuteveer teh best goddamn batmen, BALE seyz is TRUE. Nevar pleyed roben, cuz roben sucks. I believe wutevar the media and mega stahs tell meh. Forevar sooks, cuz everyone tink so.

REALISTIC, REALISTIC, REALISTIC, er, HYPA WEREALITY, Betmen can HAPPON IRL!

WHO'S WIT me? Da great poll of poweh speaks fer itself amirite?!"

Then watch, we'll get word that Nolan is actually including Robin because he thinks that the character is a challenge and that he'd like to pull it off brilliantly. Then all the fanboys will be like,

"ROBEN IS TEH GREATEST SIDEKICK EVAH. DONE SO EPICALLY. NOLEN I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!"

If Nolan were to adapt Robin successfully, i am sure that this would happen.

 

[Two-Face]

Eh, I guess whatever happens happens. Still I'm sick of seeing this,

"RAH, RAH, Roben suks out loud guise. Betmen, despite bein fiction wuld NEVER raise a kid simila to a son. Nolan is teh best filmteller and storymacker along wit hes little bro J-Nol evar! wuteveer teh best goddamn batmen, BALE seyz is TRUE. Nevar pleyed roben, cuz roben sucks. I believe wutevar the media and mega stahs tell meh. Forevar sooks, cuz everyone tink so.

REALISTIC, REALISTIC, REALISTIC, er, HYPA WEREALITY, Betmen can HAPPON IRL!

WHO'S WIT me? Da great poll of poweh speaks fer itself amirite?!"

Then watch, we'll get word that Nolan is actually including Robin because he thinks that the character is a challenge and that he'd like to pull it off brilliantly. Then all the fanboys will be like,

"ROBEN IS TEH GREATEST SIDEKICK EVAH. DONE SO EPICALLY. NOLEN I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!"

Forget about roben, er, I mean Robin for a second and think about this. Would our Begins/Dark Knight Batman really not give a damn if a child witnessed the brutal murder of his parents like he did? Would he just let it go, especially if that kid had no other family to go to?

OF COURSE NOT. Batman can still be a dark lone vigilante while at the same time a millionare playboy that adopts a child. For the sake of storytelling imagine what the public would think.

"Bruce Wayne adopting a child, that careless playboy? Must be something in for him, I'd sooner send my kid off with Batman!"

Stuff like that. It could work, be dark, and REALISTIC.

You typed all that.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

If Nolan were to adapt Robin successfully, i am sure that this would happen.

It would. Remember the reactions to the Heath Ledger as the Joker announcement and the fact that he'd wear "war paint".

"HE SUCKS."

We know today that this is not true.