The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[GlasgowBat]

Robin can most certainly be incorporated successfully into the filmverse, be it by nolan's hand or otherwise. The stroytelling possibilites are tremendous and would move the bruce wayne character forward if done properly. Furthermore, there is nothing in the nolan movies which fundamentally opposes Robin's existence.

However, it is important to clarify the difference between an inclusion which is possible and one which is necessary. Anyone who feels an important, relevant and entertaining story cannot be told without the inclusion of the Robin story grossly underestimates both the as yet unused parts of the mythos and the creative team.

so there.

 

[DarKJediKnight]

Isn't Robin in BTAS already in college? Robin could work if he's not a child like in BTAS (if i'm not mistaken) and in Batman Forever.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It makes it a lot more sentimental if Robin is still a kid. It also establishes a father-son relationship that isnt so obvious if Robin is a 20 year old independent dude like Schumacher's. That way Dick can actually grow this kind of relationship with Bruce and we'll be able to see him grow by his side and eventually become his own man.

Yeah its unrealistic, but so is batman himself, we might as well accept it. If the movie has a more unrealistic direction and its not like TDK, Robin can be introduced just fine.

 

[GlasgowBat]

I still don't understand how the term "realism" can continue to be so grossly misused.

there are many realistic things i know of; TDK is not one of them

 

[Mr. Earle]

Oh, dont be pedantic, you know what we mean.

 

[Crook]

With the way the term has been used over the years, it's a misnomer more than anything.

 

[weezerspider]

KEY WORDS: Identify with Batman. Gordon, Alfred, nor Fox witnessed their parents murdered in front of them and carried the guilt on their shoulders blaming themselves for the deaths. Dick Grayson went through the same thing that Bruce has, he is Bruce's "son" that he takes under his wing.

Nolan (or whomever takes over after Nolan) can put him in the universe realistically on an emotional level.

If I remember correctly, Finger himself said Alfred fit that role better than Batman.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Now before people start posting the "Facepalm" pictures let me make one thing clear. This is merely me thinking out loud and that I have read the comic but only seen/read some reviews of the movie.

In all reviews the most talked about character for better or worse was Hit-Girl, an eleven year old super heroine who is more likely to kill the villain than be the cliche damsel in distress. In comics child heroes even non-powered ones are relatively are common in films they are relegated to comedy roles in feel good movies with comical villains (Home Alone)

But Kick Ass being R rated and all we have a huge exception where the hero is killing cursing and even getting brutalized as equally as an adult would. The Moral Police as usual misses the point completely and begin screaming like the morons they are (Excluding Roger Ebert though because he admitted the movie was not meant for him and was not interested)

Despite all this hullabaloo Kick Ass is rather successful with many praising it's dark comedy and satire. It's rare we have such a breath of fresh air, a film/comic that dares to react and welcome reactions of shock and horror

Now the thing that came to my mid was that the biggest problem people were having with Robin being on screen was that we believed no one would believe that a 12-15 year old boy could be trained to become an expert fighter and battle some of the meanest thugs and criminals on the face of the planet. He wouldn't last a minute we said. It couldn't be done.

But after reading the comic and reading a few reviews I realized that Kick Ass had done exactly that. A suitably realistic (Some suspension of disbelief always required) portrayal of a young child being trained to fight (even mercilessly kill) and replacing her Barbie's with Beretta's that too in a humorous tone. To be fair it's actually fairly unbelievable with her father Big Daddy being a relatively middle class man yet being able to afford to train her like that

Now compare to someone like Batman who has fairly unlimited resources, time and money to pull this off and with an older by extension smarter, stronger adolescent. Not to mention Batman himself being in peak physical condition would easily be able to train Dick Grayson into a fighting machine, an expert in stealth and usage of non-lethal weapons such as a long battle staff similar to what Robin uses in the Teen Titans animated series.

Knowing Nolan, if he was inspired as such he would keep Robin more as a scout than fighter anyway thus keeping with his realistic tone.

So what's the problem? People have long forgotten Lee Jone's Two-Face for Eckhart's. Shall we replace Chris O' Donnel with a younger yet 10 times more badass Robin?

Thoughts? Flames? Picard?

 

[El Payaso]

The problem is that Batman is not about children heroes, but a man who grew to become a hero.

Nor is about Bruce finding life's meaning in fatherhood, but in his mission.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The problem is that Batman is not about children heroes, but a man who grew to become a hero.

Nor is about Bruce finding life's meaning in fatherhood, but in his mission.

Yes but Robin is THE child hero. Batman takes him in and teaches him because it's either that or life on the streets and knowing Gotham. Batman gives a lost urchin a better life, Robin chose to fight alongside.

Bruce is currently way over his head right now. He's exhausted both physically and mentally, he's on the run from the cops, he's a criminal in the people's eyes, the one person that kept him sane (apart from Alfred) is dead. He needs emotional support, badly. Dick can give him that. Someone to confide in.
Bruce would see himself in Dick, broken, crying in a dark alleyway at the foot of his dead parents.

Also, can the circus be replaced with Performance Theater with lots of gymnastics and the like? Unless Dick is like Tim and a hacker

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Bruce would never let anyone join his crusade unless he was absolutely 100% positive that they could handle themselves. It's not like he shows the kid a few take downs and gives them a costume.

 

[GlasgowBat]

the thing is, hit-girl fit the tone of kick-ass; comedy.

It's a comedy, that's why it was accepted. I would rather not see a comedy version of Batman, as it would most likely not surpass previous versions- the Adam West show and Allstar.

 

[Crook]

It's not the comedy, it's that the tone and world that Hit-Girl resides in, is one that accepts all forms of absurdity.

 

[Mr. Earle]

But Batman's isnt such a world?

 

[Chris Wallace]

It is, but we keep trying to make it not be so.

 

[Crook]

But Batman's isnt such a world?

Well, no. I also misstated my original post, I meant to say it "accepts most forms of absurdity within the confines of that world's unspoken rules and consistency".

Even fantasy has guidelines to follow based on established "laws". For example, even in a absurd world like Kick-Ass, it would go against the universe if a superpowered entity came into play. Simply because it is accepted fact that superpowers and magic do not exist there.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, no. I also misstated my original post, I meant to say it "accepts most forms of absurdity within the confines of that world's unspoken rules and consistency".

Even fantasy has guidelines to follow based on established "laws". For example, even in a absurd world like Kick-Ass, it would go against the universe if a superpowered entity came into play. Simply because it is accepted fact that superpowers and magic do not exist there.

Ah, thanks for clarifying then.

So what's the problem with Batman's world in relation to Robin? Its a world where people dress in flashy costumes and fight crime, use kids as sidekicks, and at any minute an evil god might sent you back to the past to punish you.

 

[Crook]

If we're referring to the comics, there's nothing wrong with Robin as is. That whole universe is a huge mess of twisted and zany manifestations stemmed from various creators.

With Nolan, there's nothing completely wrong with the Robin concept, it's just that certain aspects will not hold up well under a more critical eye. I'm personally all for his appearance, even in this world, but I hold a strict line at 15-16 years old. Anything below, for me, is just stupid and lacks too much thought into the character's place as *gasp* a "real" character.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I wouldn't want to go older than that. The Boy Wonder should maybe be a boy.

 

[weezerspider]

1. Hit-Girl has been trained her whole life.... Dick can't step in Batman 3 and become Robin in the same movie for it to be plausible.
2. Nolan doesn't like Robin. Why the hell do you people keeping pushing characters on directors who don't like the characters? I don't want the Nolan-Robin situation to become a Raimi-Venom situation. Nolan doesn't like the character. If he's not passionate about the character, he won't out his all in the character, therefore making the character weak and damaging the overall film, if not ruining it completely.

 

[Crook]

I wouldn't want to go older than that. The Boy Wonder should maybe be a boy.

It's an age-old term that doesn't really need to be adhered to. Robin should be younger than what you'd expect a crimefighter to be. 15-18 fits that criteria.

Besides, Spider-MAN started out in high school. It's a part of his name, but I don't think anyone can argue Peter was definitely not a man until well into his alternate persona.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

1. Hit-Girl has been trained her whole life.... Dick can't step in Batman 3 and become Robin in the same movie for it to be plausible.
2. Nolan doesn't like Robin. Why the hell do you people keeping pushing characters on directors who don't like the characters? I don't want the Nolan-Robin situation to become a Raimi-Venom situation. Nolan doesn't like the character. If he's not passionate about the character, he won't out his all in the character, therefore making the character weak and damaging the overall film, if not ruining it completely.

No ones gonna be pushing Nolan to add Robin. It's hard to make Robin as a boy plausible, but if you make him older you lose the father-son relationship of the two.

My opinion is this: It would be nice to add Robin, and maybe its possible to add him in a Nolan film, but I'd rather not have Nolan spend a load of time thinking how to add Dick Grayson when he could make a better film without him.

But at the same time, its uncomfortable that a character from the comics who's is as important as James Gordon, Alfred, and the Joker; And have appeared in every single series of every single medium alongside Batman won't be in the series.

With that said, I believe that the arguments for adding Robin will get bigger when Nolan leaves.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's an age-old term that doesn't really need to be adhered to. Robin should be younger than what you'd expect a crimefighter to be. 15-18 fits that criteria.

Besides, Spider-MAN started out in high school. It's a part of his name, but I don't think anyone can argue Peter was definitely not a man until well into his alternate persona.

You think I'm disagreeing with you but not really. I'd just like to, for once, see a live action Robin that doesn't come past Batman's shoulder.

 

[akfj]

You think I'm disagreeing with you but not really. I'd just like to, for once, see a live action Robin that doesn't come past Batman's shoulder.

That's pretty close:

So is that:

 

[sdc10]

Bruce just went up against a pure psychotic force in the Joker, got his girl/best friend blown up, saw a man he wanted to help become the face of gotham become disfigured and also psychotic, took the blame for murders committed by said person and is now being hunted by the police. This does not strike me as the type of person who is physically or emotionally capable of caring for a teenager let alone wanting to suit them up and get help from them.