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Hmmm....you are mischaracterizing & taking out of context what I said currently & the past. You thought IM would die. I said I suspect Cap would die & Tony will walk in the sunset carrying the burden of his visions coming true. I said with Chris Evans contract ending & his desire to move on, his character was the more likely character to parish...a feeling that a huge number of people have. Still believe that today; yet, still has not been determined.

Now, you trying to misconstrue what I said recently. By no means did I say those heroes, with obvious future films coming, would remain dusted. I have said on many occasions the dusted heroes will obvious be saved; but, stated infallibility that the "Snapture" as a whole will not be undone & half the Universe will still remain vacated. I still stand by that. I don't understand your need to prove everybody or everything wrong....it all speculation base on how individuals see it. It's like you want people to conform to your way of thinking or pov. What may appear to others, may not be so apparent to you & vice-versa. It's not a pissing contest...it's a discussion, sharing of ideas, opinions, & pov.

Tony, imo, is key to "EVERYTHING"....that much is obvious; otherwise, Strange would have never parted with Eye of Agamotto w/o a fight...especially after his decree to sacrifice "all" for it. I can't stress enough, this film is not going to turn out the way many think or want it to be...the directors & writers have stated that; and, I for one believe them. I understand the blatant attempt to deceive many on the title...that backfired on Joe. But Joe is not the only one saying, this film won't be what you think...others in production are saying the same....if it was just Joe, after his title fiasco, I wouldn't give it any consideration. Anyway.....enjoy the discussion, don't be so visceral.

Here is the issue... You still keep pointing to something terribly vague and assuming what it implies and... What is implied would be to then have the MCU in universe take place in on an Earth that has lost billions of people.


I'm sorry but I don't think as an opinion that such a thing makes any kind of sense, it doesn't fit the Marvel Studios brand, and it's impractical on a storytelling level since narrative wise it's too huge a thing to have as the backdrop of future films and not have it reverberate through literally every film and character, but again, what would be an even bigger mistake would be to give such an event no real weight by having as something that happened but never really engaging with it.
 
So in about a month we should be getting the second AEG trailer.
I expect it to be a polar opposite of what the teaser and TV spot where. I expect something balls to the wall crazy. The marketing strategy that Marvel has used so far kind of makes sense, but i do think that the final trailer will be something way different and much more impactful.
 
Hmmm....you are mischaracterizing & taking out of context what I said currently & the past. You thought IM would die. I said I suspect Cap would die & Tony will walk in the sunset carrying the burden of his visions coming true. I said with Chris Evans contract ending & his desire to move on, his character was the more likely character to parish...a feeling that a huge number of people have. Still believe that today; yet, still has not been determined.

This is straight from you talking about Infinity War last year:

Hmmm...my theory is Cap dies in this film. Don't be fooled about A4. Cap is dead. A4 is all about Tony using BARF to get the answer he needs to defeat Thanos. There is no time-traveling or none of that. How is that possible when Thanos has the Time gem. Cap is dead & Tony lives....that's his anxiety come true.

So, how am I mischaracterizing you? It's there in black and white.

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Now, you trying to misconstrue what I said recently. By no means did I say those heroes, with obvious future films coming, would remain dusted. I have said on many occasions the dusted heroes will obvious be saved; but, stated infallibility that the "Snapture" as a whole will not be undone & half the Universe will still remain vacated. I still stand by that. I don't understand your need to prove everybody or everything wrong....it all speculation base on how individuals see it. It's like you want people to conform to your way of thinking or pov. What may appear to others, may not be so apparent to you & vice-versa. It's not a pissing contest...it's a discussion, sharing of ideas, opinions, & pov.

Tony, imo, is key to "EVERYTHING"....that much is obvious; otherwise, Strange would have never parted with Eye of Agamotto w/o a fight...especially after his decree to sacrifice "all" for it. I can't stress enough, this film is not going to turn out the way many think or want it to be...the directors & writers have stated that; and, I for one believe them. I understand the blatant attempt to deceive many on the title...that backfired on Joe. But Joe is not the only one saying, this film won't be what you think...others in production are saying the same....if it was just Joe, after his title fiasco, I wouldn't give it any consideration. Anyway.....enjoy the discussion, don't be so visceral.

The Russos are being coy and don't want to come out and say "the Avengers win and Thanos loses and the snap is undone!" as that would give away the outcome of the movie. But, it's going to be the outcome. Superheroes are a power fantasy meant to make us feel empowered or inspired. The MCU is meant for families. They're not going to permanently leave the universe will nearly half of all life missing. At the end of the day, this is a story meant to sell toys to children more than anything. Being solid stories on top of that is a plus. What is not in tone for the MCU is for something like the snap being permanent. Dark endings don't inherently make things better or more mature. Some stories work better with a dark ending, some don't. Rocky would not have been a better movie if he had a heart attack after his fight with Apollo, but conversely the ending of Saw works better than a more positive ending would have. It's all about what type of movie you're making. Sure the Russos have had 2 of the more dark endings the MCU has seen with CW and IW, but those films were set-ups for Endgame. Not finales. Marvel will not send people home angry, rest assured.

As for the Russos said "this won't be the film we are expecting." That is a blatant misdirection. It has to be the film we expect to some extent. Sure, they will throw in some wrinkles to make it fresh, but at its core, its the Avengers vs Thanos film they set-up and that we expected. They know it. Just like they knew the title was Endgame when they blatantly lied about it. They cannot just come out and say "This ends exactly how you think it will!!!!" before the movie is out.

In regards to me being visceral, it is not that I am being visceral. I am pointing out flaws I see in your logic. Your free to think whatever you want, and you and I will likely be a mix of right/wrong in the end. But I do think, much like you're above thinking on Cap dying and being dead at the start of A4 last year, that you're seeing the picture faulty.
 
I always got the sense that he was close with Natasha (at least in the Russo-helmed films). That said, with a solo movie in the works, she probably won't be taking a dirt nap anytime soon.
Close to his second Natasha, yes probably as close as Captain America was to the surviving Howling Commandos. But the Red Skull by implication made it seem as if the Soul Stone had a more demanding definition of love.
 
A look at War Machine’s new armor via a Lego kit.

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If I were to give a quick guess, I'd say the screentimes of characters would roughly rank like:

  1. Captain America
  2. Captain Marvel
  3. Iron Man
  4. Thanos
  5. Nebula (might seem odd to place her this high, but they were bold enough to give Gamora the most screen time of the heroes in IW. Her role might not be so big as that, but as the last child of Thanos I think Marvel are daring enough to place her in the top five.)
  6. Ant-Man
  7. Hawkeye
  8. Hulk
  9. Black Widow
  10. Thor
  11. Rocket
  12. Rhodey
Then the snapped characters will be un-snapped in the last half hour of the movie. The big ones will likely get big, pivotal character moments in the final battle, but not rack up much actual screen time.

Then there are characters who make up the supporting cast of the various film franchises. Valkyrie, Sif, Korg, Wong, M'baku, Okoye, Shuri etc. who will get no more than a couple minutes screen time but we'll get to see them deliver some snappy one-liners and kick some ass.

I seriously doubt that Captain Marvel is going to get THAT MUCH screen time in this film. I would probably list her in the top ten but nowhere in the top 5. Without a doubt, I believe that the original six will get the most screen time seeing as how this film will serve as the swan song/exit for some of these characters.

That said, my only concerns for this film are whether there will actually be lasting consequences towards reversing the effects of the Snap and how they will treat the other Avengers when fighting alongside Captain Marvel. I never cared so much about the latter issue but after hearing several people and TV Spots promoting Captain Marvel as the strongest hero there ever is, it's gotten to the point where I'm already bored of the character and concerned that her presence in this film will make others look weak and useless in comparison. I will not be a happy fan if they go with the scenario that had Captain Marvel been present in IW then none of this would have happened crap.
 
I seriously doubt that Captain Marvel is going to get THAT MUCH screen time in this film. I would probably list her in the top ten but nowhere in the top 5. Without a doubt, I believe that the original six will get the most screen time seeing as how this film will serve as the swan song/exit for some of these characters.

That said, my only concerns for this film are whether there will actually be lasting consequences towards reversing the effects of the Snap and how they will treat the other Avengers when fighting alongside Captain Marvel. I never cared so much about the latter issue but after hearing several people and TV Spots promoting Captain Marvel as the strongest hero there ever is, it's gotten to the point where I'm already bored of the character and concerned that her presence in this film will make others look weak and useless in comparison. I will not be a happy fan if they go with the scenario that had Captain Marvel been present in IW then none of this would have happened crap.

Well it depends how it happens. At this point I have enough faith in the Russos to not deliver the equivalent of Superman in Justice League where the team couldn’t POSSIBLY win but then the one member comes back and basically does it solo. The Russos are smarter than that.

And maybe the snap wouldn’t have happened with Carol also involved. But that doesn’t mean she’s at that Superman in Justice League-level of being a plot device, it just means that they came really close to stopping Thanos before, it’s an all hands on deck situation and that anyone with her powerset is gonna be more important than say Falcon. Maybe the snap wouldn’t have happened if Sentry or Hercules or the Fantastic Four or X Men were also involvedin addition to everyone, but that doesn’t mean that if any of them were in Endgame it would be as simple as “oh, they’re here, Thanos loses.”
 
I mean, take Thor and Hulk and their established BAMF levels at the end of Ragnarok. Now consider what Thanos does to the two of them and Loki with one Infinity stone.

Captain Marvel might be at or slightly more powerful than Thor, but even if she’s Thor and Hulk in a blender, that doesn’t mean they just walk over Thanos.
 
I mean, take Thor and Hulk and their established BAMF levels at the end of Ragnarok. Now consider what Thanos does to the two of them and Loki with one Infinity stone.

Captain Marvel might be at or slightly more powerful than Thor, but even if she’s Thor and Hulk in a blender, that doesn’t mean they just walk over Thanos.
I would love to see the final battle occuring on Xandar, right smack dab in the middle of a full on invasion for the power stone.
 
I seriously doubt that Captain Marvel is going to get THAT MUCH screen time in this film. I would probably list her in the top ten but nowhere in the top 5. Without a doubt, I believe that the original six will get the most screen time seeing as how this film will serve as the swan song/exit for some of these characters.

That said, my only concerns for this film are whether there will actually be lasting consequences towards reversing the effects of the Snap and how they will treat the other Avengers when fighting alongside Captain Marvel. I never cared so much about the latter issue but after hearing several people and TV Spots promoting Captain Marvel as the strongest hero there ever is, it's gotten to the point where I'm already bored of the character and concerned that her presence in this film will make others look weak and useless in comparison. I will not be a happy fan if they go with the scenario that had Captain Marvel been present in IW then none of this would have happened crap.

While this film will undoubtedly focus on the original six heavily, it also needs to set up the next generation. So a heavy focus on Captain Marvel makes sense. Like it or not they seem to be pushing her really hard.

Endgame will undoubtedly focus heavily on the original six. But I don't think that many of them will actually be leaving. Cap likely gonna die, Stark will die or retire. But Widow's getting a movie, Hawkeye a TV series, Hulk and Thor have just had their characters retooled. Unlikely they'll be retired now. The OG six will all get plenty of screen time, but I think Endgame will highlight a few newer characters heavily as well.
 
I mean, take Thor and Hulk and their established BAMF levels at the end of Ragnarok. Now consider what Thanos does to the two of them and Loki with one Infinity stone.

Captain Marvel might be at or slightly more powerful than Thor, but even if she’s Thor and Hulk in a blender, that doesn’t mean they just walk over Thanos.

The Russos have stated that Thanos did not require (nor used) the Power Stone to defeat the Hulk. And honestly, there isn't so much that Thor could do to Thanos on a spaceship filled with Asgardians as Thor using his Thunder powers could blow up the ship with everyone inside of it. Loki has never been much of a physical threat from the start.
 
While this film will undoubtedly focus on the original six heavily, it also needs to set up the next generation. So a heavy focus on Captain Marvel makes sense. Like it or not they seem to be pushing her really hard.

Endgame will undoubtedly focus heavily on the original six. But I don't think that many of them will actually be leaving. Cap likely gonna die, Stark will die or retire. But Widow's getting a movie, Hawkeye a TV series, Hulk and Thor have just had their characters retooled. Unlikely they'll be retired now. The OG six will all get plenty of screen time, but I think Endgame will highlight a few newer characters heavily as well.

I understand the need to set up the next generation of Heroes but some of the newer heroes that have already been introduced had to earn their place in the MCU within the course of a few films.

To have Captain Marvel show up after her solo film and be portrayed as the new face of the MCU would be such b.s. I don't have a problem with her eventually becoming the new face that represents the next generation but only after she earns it, just like her predecessors before her.
 
Well it depends how it happens. At this point I have enough faith in the Russos to not deliver the equivalent of Superman in Justice League where the team couldn’t POSSIBLY win but then the one member comes back and basically does it solo. The Russos are smarter than that.

And maybe the snap wouldn’t have happened with Carol also involved. But that doesn’t mean she’s at that Superman in Justice League-level of being a plot device, it just means that they came really close to stopping Thanos before, it’s an all hands on deck situation and that anyone with her powerset is gonna be more important than say Falcon. Maybe the snap wouldn’t have happened if Sentry or Hercules or the Fantastic Four or X Men were also involvedin addition to everyone, but that doesn’t mean that if any of them were in Endgame it would be as simple as “oh, they’re here, Thanos loses.”

Well so far, the Russos have not done anything to make me distrust their judgement. We will just have to wait and see but I still don't like the idea of how overpowered they are making Captain Marvel come off as. Even Thor and the Hulk, as strong as they are, have their limits. Scarlet Witch, an character said to have almost limitless potential with her powers, is still not portrayed as the STRONGEST hero there is.

And yeah, I especially don't want another "Justice League" scenario where Carol's presence invalidates the contribution and powers of the other heroes like Superman did with the entire league.
 
As far as screentime goes, I am going to speculate, I see it going something a little like this:

Leads:
Tony Stark (40-60 minutes)
Captain America (40-55 minutes)
Black Widow (30-40 minutes)
Hawkeye (20-25 minutes)
Banner/Hulk (15-20 minutes)
Thor (remember, he had alot of focus in IW, so will have much less here, so about 10-15 minutes)

There's talk of Cap getting the most screentime, but Stark started the MCU, so he will still get the most time, though it will likely be a close total. Black Widow will get a ton of screentime, given her being the connection between Tony and Cap, and her having a solo movie upcoming.
I predict Hawkeye's story will be the one that opens the film and sets the tone, though once Cap and Tony meet he will take a back seat.
Banner/Hulk will get solid time.

Secondary Leads/Important Returnees:
Captain Marvel
Ant-Man
Nebula
Rocket
Black Panther
Spiderman
Doctor Strange
Starlord

Captain Marvel will be prominent but will not dominate proceedings as some fear. Conversely, Ant-man's role won't be as important as some are hyping and hoping.
Nebula will obviously get good focus, with an important arc, about 15 minutes or more screentime.
Rocket, as the only surviving Guardian, will get some focus, though, like Antman, he won't be as focal as some assume.
Of the returning dusted, only Spiderman, Quill, Black Panther, and Doctor Strange will get proper interaction.
Panther especially will get alot of screentime in the third act.

Non-speaking Returnee cameos (1-2 minutes max, maybe not even a minute):
Scarlet Witch
Wasp
Falcon
Vision
Bucky
Mantis
Groot
Drax
Hank
Janet
Shuri

Basically, the rest of the dusted without solo movies will have non-speaking roles IMHO.
Evangeline Lilly has warned fans not to expect much. Note that the above all have no future MCU movies lined up, or they did but said movie is now in limbo.


World Building Background:
Mbaku
Ross
Valkyrie
Okoye
Sharon Carter

Basically for scenes about the post-snap universe. Only a minute or two each.


Flashback/Past/Cameo Only:
Gamora
Loki
The Other
Red Skull
Ultron
Howard Stark
Peggy Carter


Thanos will get alot of screentime even if his scenes are just action scenes. We know it will be more than that though.

Claims that there is another "secret" villain are nonsense IMHO. IW and EG are both essentially about Thanos.
 
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Non-speaking Returnee cameos (1-2 minutes max, maybe not even a minute):
Scarlet Witch
Wasp
Falcon
Vision
Bucky
Mantis
Groot
Drax
Hank
Janet
Shuri

Basically, the rest of the dusted without solo movies will have non-speaking roles IMHO.
Evangeline Lilly has warned fans not to expect much. Note that the above all have no future MCU movies lined up, or they did but said movie is now in limbo.
I hope not. I want everyone to be back for the third act.
 
War Machine willget more screentime than Nebula thats for sure. Probably since its his last film.
 
"The Snap was like a Biblical event. And I think we can be quite sure given the post credit scenes of both AIW and A-M&TW that this was no localized, small event."

Makes me wonder how will people make sense of such an event like this. Who will explain to them what happened? Will people make biblical references and assume the rapture? Just imagine the psyche of people who had family friends and loved ones just literally vanish in dust with no explanations whatsoever...

That's a really good question. I don't know if you've ever watched HBO's The Leftovers before, but it's a show in which a markedly similar crisis takes place, albeit on a lesser scale. Basically, 140 million people (2% of the world's population) randomly disappear in what's termed "The Sudden Departure." However, unlike the events of AIW, the circumstances behind this particular tragedy are mostly inexplicable and mysterious. As such, everyone left behind reacts just as you'd expect them to. Some turn to traditional coping mechanisms: places of worship, healing cults, psychic reading shops, mental health institutions, et al. Others simply go mad trying to make sense of the nonsensical.

Getting back to AIW, though, what's unique about that film is that "The Snappening" in question has an actual face to it, and that face is Thanos. So, it'll be very interesting to see what those in power, namely the governments of the world and the Avengers themselves, choose to do with that information. Will they reach a broad political consensus whereby said information is kept from the public at large; or will they opt to share it with everyone and let the chips fall where they may? How would a man like Steve Rogers feel about that? Would he break protocol assuming the former scenario plays out? You better believe he would!
 
That's a really good question. I don't know if you've ever watched HBO's The Leftovers before, but it's a show in which a markedly similar crisis takes place, albeit on a lesser scale. Basically, 140 million people (2% of the world's population) randomly disappear in what's termed "The Sudden Departure." However, unlike the events of AIW, the circumstances behind this particular tragedy are mostly inexplicable and mysterious. As such, everyone left behind reacts just as you'd expect them to. Some turn to traditional coping mechanisms: places of worship, healing cults, psychic reading shops, mental health institutions, et al. Others simply go mad trying to make sense of the nonsensical.

Getting back to AIW, though, what's unique about that film is that "The Snappening" in question has an actual face to it, and that face is Thanos. So, it'll be very interesting to see what those in power, namely the governments of the world and the Avengers themselves, choose to do with that information. Will they reach a broad political consensus whereby said information is kept from the public at large; or will they opt to share it with everyone and let the chips fall where they may? How would a man like Steve Rogers feel about that? Would he break protocol assuming the former scenario plays out? You better believe he would!

Wondering how Ross feels about those accords now and if he'd still be inclined to have the Avengers arrested. Considering he survived the snap.
 
Wondering how Ross feels about those accords now and if he'd still be inclined to have the Avengers arrested. Considering he survived the snap.
he wasn't quite forward thinking when he ordered Rhodey to arrest them. Wrong tim e, wrong place; plus how was he suppose to take on all 5 of them?
 
he wasn't quite forward thinking when he ordered Rhodey to arrest them. Wrong tim e, wrong place; plus how was he suppose to take on all 5 of them?

Again, that scene is odd for me just due to what's being said vs what happens. The "world is on fire" yet Ross wants the only people who can help arrested... Huh?
 
That's a really good question. I don't know if you've ever watched HBO's The Leftovers before, but it's a show in which a markedly similar crisis takes place, albeit on a lesser scale. Basically, 140 million people (2% of the world's population) randomly disappear in what's termed "The Sudden Departure." However, unlike the events of AIW, the circumstances behind this particular tragedy are mostly inexplicable and mysterious. As such, everyone left behind reacts just as you'd expect them to. Some turn to traditional coping mechanisms: places of worship, healing cults, psychic reading shops, mental health institutions, et al. Others simply go mad trying to make sense of the nonsensical.

Getting back to AIW, though, what's unique about that film is that "The Snappening" in question has an actual face to it, and that face is Thanos. So, it'll be very interesting to see what those in power, namely the governments of the world and the Avengers themselves, choose to do with that information. Will they reach a broad political consensus whereby said information is kept from the public at large; or will they opt to share it with everyone and let the chips fall where they may? How would a man like Steve Rogers feel about that? Would he break protocol assuming the former scenario plays out? You better believe he would!
Given that aliens had attacked in the recent past of global live media and Thor is an international star there should be no question about the blame being put on Thanos. Realistically the world's religions endgame myths would still have their proponents perhaps with Thanos as an angel of death of some sort, but the religious representative's point of view should not be large enough to warrant anything but a one second shot in the final cut of the film. Given a TV series length a season long subplot could deal with those issues were the opening scenes of the final film can't
 
The Russos have stated that Thanos did not require (nor used) the Power Stone to defeat the Hulk. And honestly, there isn't so much that Thor could do to Thanos on a spaceship filled with Asgardians as Thor using his Thunder powers could blow up the ship with everyone inside of it. Loki has never been much of a physical threat from the start.

You’re literally proving my point more. You keep doubling down that Cap Marvel will be powerful enough to be a deus ex machina/Mary Sue because they’ve established she’ll be powerful.

Thanos WITHOUT stones dominated The Hulk in a straight fight. He dominated Thor and Loki. Inside a ship or not, Thor is still one of the strongest, most durable Avengers in the MCU and it’s not like small lightning blasts on the ship weren’t possible, you just assume they weren’t. Loki and every Asgardian has 100% been cleary established as WAY more powerful than a human. Look at the opening scene of Avengers. Just because Loki never had a drag out fight with Cap or relied on his physicality doesn’t mean he was frail. And by your logic with Thor not being able to use lightning on the ship, Carol wouldn’t be able to use blasts by that logic and the same thing happens.

Captain Marvel could be literally twice as powerful as ANYTHING the Russos or Brie Larson or Kevin Feige has ever implied and she still would maaaaaybe be just strong enough to take on a Thanos pre-stones? Let alone after getting the stones? And you still are this insistent that Captain Marvel is just the solution to the problem?

Are you sure this is based on actual quotes and evidence, or are you just this committed to hating it after seeing it?
 
You’re literally proving my point more. You keep doubling down that Cap Marvel will be powerful enough to be a deus ex machina/Mary Sue because they’ve established she’ll be powerful.

Thanos WITHOUT stones dominated The Hulk in a straight fight. He dominated Thor and Loki. Inside a ship or not, Thor is still one of the strongest, most durable Avengers in the MCU and it’s not like small lightning blasts on the ship weren’t possible, you just assume they weren’t. Loki and every Asgardian has 100% been cleary established as WAY more powerful than a human. Look at the opening scene of Avengers. Just because Loki never had a drag out fight with Cap or relied on his physicality doesn’t mean he was frail. And by your logic with Thor not being able to use lightning on the ship, Carol wouldn’t be able to use blasts by that logic and the same thing happens.

Captain Marvel could be literally twice as powerful as ANYTHING the Russos or Brie Larson or Kevin Feige has ever implied and she still would maaaaaybe be just strong enough to take on a Thanos pre-stones? Let alone after getting the stones? And you still are this insistent that Captain Marvel is just the solution to the problem?

Are you sure this is based on actual quotes and evidence, or are you just this committed to hating it after seeing it?

Well it would definitely help if they gave us an idea as to where Captain Marvel's powers rank up when compared to Thor's power and Hulk's strength. And I am basing my concerns off from quotes made by Feige and Samuel L Jackson, who keep labeling her as the strongest hero alive. We also started getting TV spots stating as such. If Captain Marvel is stronger than Thor with stormbreaker, where he was able to almost kill Thanos with all of the infinity stones in his possession then what does that make Captain Marvel?
 
Given that aliens had attacked in the recent past of global live media and Thor is an international star there should be no question about the blame being put on Thanos. Realistically the world's religions endgame myths would still have their proponents perhaps with Thanos as an angel of death of some sort, but the religious representative's point of view should not be large enough to warrant anything but a one second shot in the final cut of the film. Given a TV series length a season long subplot could deal with those issues were the opening scenes of the final film can't
Yes, previous alien encounters, such as "The Battle of New York", have already been shown to receive more than their fair share of global media coverage; so—you're right—I don't see why this would be handled any differently. Come to think of it, giving the world a common enemy in Thanos presents a unique opportunity to see everyone united in a way that's heretofore unprecedented. You'll recall that Watchmen's Adrian Veidt took a less than savory approach to accelerating this very outcome.

Agreed. Long-form storytelling, of course, better allows for a significantly more detailed response to a scenario like "The Snap" or "The Sudden Departure." That said, I still hope the enormity of the tragedy as regards to the former is adequately conveyed even in smaller doses. It frankly deserves nothing less.
 
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