Comics Official CABLE and DEADPOOL Discussion Thread

[chamber-music]

i dont see him as a villain...just one man operating by what he feels is the right thing to do and once he accomplishes it those that oppose him will see that baby doom bringer and hopefully Cable with her...HAD to die...GO GIANTS!!!

I agree he doesn't see himself as a villain, he thinks his doing the right thing but so do most villains. Magneto usually thinks his protecting the mutant race and that he should wipe out humans before they wipe out us but it still makes him a villain.

Its really good concept. If you could kill hitler as a baby for instance would it be right to kill him even though he hasn't done anythink wrong yet.

 

[Sugarculted]

I'm just kind of bummed that in the most recent solicits (April) they still haven't begun taking orders for 'Pool's newest run. I am really looking forward to that, more than Cable's new book though it doesn't look that bad.

Yeah, but it's Way and Dillon. If I was in charge of the solicits, I wouldn't wanna put it there...even if it is DP...

 

[OutcryX]

I agree he doesn't see himself as a villain, he thinks his doing the right thing but so do most villains. Magneto usually thinks his protecting the mutant race and that he should wipe out humans before they wipe out us but it still makes him a villain.

Its really good concept. If you could kill hitler as a baby for instance would it be right to kill him even though he hasn't done anythink wrong yet.

hmm...kill Hitler as a baby, even though he hasnt done anything wrong yet...but KNOWING the evil he will wrought on the world....even though some of his scientific experiments revolutionized medicine and scientific discovery about the human body....

i would definitely cap the master mind(s) in the US that thought slavery would be a great idea

 

[El Bastardo]

Without slavery, the Confederacy would have won the Civil War. So I'd just assume you put that weapon away, buddy.

 

[chamber-music]

Without slavery, the Confederacy would have won the Civil War. So I'd just assume you put that weapon away, buddy.

well without slave to do the hard labour for nothing, America wouldn't of been nearly as profitable so fast. Alot of things could of happened if their where no slaves. Thats why stuff like the diffrence engine is so intresting to read.

If you prevent something from happening there are so many other multiple paths history can take. For better or for worst.

 

[El Bastardo]

Yes, I am aware what the premise is.

 

[Havok83]

well without slave to do the hard labour for nothing, America wouldn't of been nearly as profitable so fast. Alot of things could of happened if their where no slaves. Thats why stuff like the diffrence engine is so intresting to read.

If you prevent something from happening there are so many other multiple paths history can take. For better or for worst.

Great point, which is why I think history should be left alone and not altered

 

[SuGarRush]

I too agree with the "don't mess with history" idea.

I have never tried to go back in time and mess with history, and I don't plan on starting now.

 

[OutcryX]

I dunno. I think the civil rights movement would've benefited more without the assassinations of 70% of its leaders

 

[OutcryX]

Without slavery, the Confederacy would have won the Civil War. So I'd just assume you put that weapon away, buddy.

without slavery there WOULDNT HAVE BEEN a civil war. all those lazy ass southern plantation owners would have had to get off of their fat asses and tend their own soil..or you know..actually HIRE people to work the lands

 

[El Bastardo]

The American Civil War isn't so much about slavery. That's just what they teach because it's pretty sounding.

It was more caused by a long succession of idiotic presidents and the south's pride. The tensions might not have been as high were slavery not in the picture, possibly, but the American Civil War probably would have erupted nonetheless.

And without slavery keeping them down and making the Confederacy non-industrialized, they would have destroyed the Union in two years, give or take.

 

[Specter313]

The American Civil War isn't so much about slavery. That's just what they teach because it's pretty sounding.

It was more caused by a long succession of idiotic presidents and the south's pride. The tensions might not have been as high were slavery not in the picture, possibly, but the American Civil War probably would have erupted nonetheless.

And without slavery keeping them down and making the Confederacy non-industrialized, they would have destroyed the Union in two years, give or take.

Yeah, if there's one thing I remember from my history lessons on the subject, is slavery wasn't an issue in the Civil War until well after it had started.

 

[OutcryX]

Don't get it twisted. the reason the original states seceded from the Union was because of the election of Lincoln to president of the united states. While Lincoln NEVER was an abolitionist nor did he support any way of liberating slaves, those in the south felt the exact opposite and left the union anyways.

so the war may have been about states rights...it was those states' rights to own slaves (and govern themselves as they see fit...which was STILL all about slavery) which they were fighting for. and for the national government to not try and tell them how to run their own states.....and their right to own slaves.

 

[El Bastardo]

More accurately, the election of Lincoln was the straw that broke the camel's back - were it an isolated incident, it wouldn't have mattered, but because of other circumstances it got blown out of proportion. It's like the assassination of Ferdinand that started WWI. If there hadn't been 100 years of peace making everyone's blood boil, it wouldn't have started such a stupid war.

The schism between north and south had started decades before. It just happened that Lincoln inherited the breaking point. If he had been elected two terms earlier, the war wouldn't have erupted then, and might have even been defused.

 

[OutcryX]

that and Lincoln represented to the south a change in atmosphere in government. To them he meant an end to their way of life and an end to their livelihoods. The overwhelming economic force in the south was slave labor...not even so much the crops they produced, such as cotton and tobacco...it was the slave trading industry, which was thriving. no longer dependent on Africa for slaves, the south AND north were trading and dealing amongst themselves for 'homegrown' slaves.

the south and north had been arguing for decades yes about government and whether a strong national government was key or stronger state governments...but slavery was ALWAYS a key issue to both the north and the south.

the war may or may not have happened if someone else was elected, but Lincoln's election was the ignition. I just don't want people to believe or continue to think of him as a hero for blacks because he 'freed' the slaves....that was NEVER his intention.

 

[Specter313]

THE NEXT X: ‘CABLE’ GUY

Crime Novelist Duane Swierczynski brings his hard-boiled take to the new ‘Cable’ monthly
By John Coleman
Posted 2/6/2008

After tearing through the lineup of X-Men books, Messiah CompleX has come to an end. The story has left the X-Men in a state of disarray, and has helped established a new status quo. One of the central figures of the crossover was the time-traveling mutant known as Cable. Believed dead at the beginning of the story, Cable took the mutant baby that was being hunted by the X-Men, Mr. Sinister's Marauders and the mutant-hating Purifiers. In the end, the X-Men decided to leave the baby in Cable's care, agreeing that he knew what was best for her. Cable promptly vanished, traveling to the future to keep the baby safe.

Now, his continuing adventures are going to be the subject of the brand new Cable monthly series. Cable's exploits will be penned by Duane Swierczynski, author of Secret Dead Men, The Wheelman, and The Blonde. I got a chance to ask Duane a few questions about his plans for the upcoming book and what's in store for the man called Cable.

WIZARD: At the end of “Messiah Complex,” Cable has taken the mutant baby to the future. Based on the little we saw, it doesn't exactly look like the best of places.....it seems like a post-apocalyptic type of setting. Is this the case? And if so, is it a future timeline that Marvel readers might be familiar with, such as the future seen in “Days of Future Past” and similar stories? Or is it a brand new setting that you've come up with?

DUANE SWIERCZYNSKI: Yeah, as you’ll see in Cable #1, it’s not exactly a family vacation wonderland. But where he jumps to is kind of dictated by where he’s jumping from. With Providence buried at sea, Cable no longer has the ability to bodyslide wherever the hell he wants (which is why he was running all around with the kid in Messiah CompleX). He has to think carefully about his time jumps, and although it may seem like he’s landed in the middle of Hell, Cable has his reasons for choosing that time.

Was this take on the character an idea that you approached Marvel with? Or was it more of a direction that they wanted to move the book in and asked you how you would handle it?

The latter. Axel Alonso approached me with the idea, saying, “Okay, here’s the setup—what would you do with this?” But the idea of a tough, hardboiled guy trying to keep a baby safe really excited me as a writer. It harkens back to Lone Wolf and Cub, of course, but also appeals to me as a dad. I’ve got two young ones at home. And while I’ve fired a gun and held a baby in a Bjorn, I’ve never fired a gun while holding a baby in a Bjorn, which to me is the ultimate in hardboiled parenting. How could I not want to write this series?


Obviously, the mystery of the baby's significance is something that will be carried over from “Messiah Complex” into the new series. There are some theories online about the baby's identity...that perhaps it is a character we are familiar with. What can you tell us about the baby? Why does Cable feel that bringing the baby to the future will be safer than remaining in the present time of the Marvel Universe?

It’s actually my baby. There was a book tour stop in Cooperstown, Alaska nine months ago, I had a few too many casks of brandy, and the next thing you know…

Okay, seriously: Cable brought the baby to the future for a specific objective. It’s both a safety issue and a long-term planning issue. Don’t forget—he’s a soldier. He’s always thinking in terms of strategy.

Cable's stories have always been tied to time travel, and it seems to be an idea you will be continuing in the new book. Will the book take place entirely in the setting introduced at the end of Messiah Complex? Or will we see some other time-jumps down the road a bit?

We spent a lot of time talking about time travel, and the ways its been used (both in X-Men and elsewhere), so I tried to come up with something a little different. You won’t understand the real situation until towards the end of the first arc. But once you do, you’ll have a better sense of how this story will unfold in the coming years. And how much Cable is screwed, despite his best efforts.

But don’t forget, Cable’s quest is very much tied into the fate of the remaining X-Men. This isn’t some tangent, alternate universe story with no real consequences. Everything is hanging on this, and Cable’s adventures are all very much tied into the present. So expect to see from a lot of familiar faces—in various time periods—popping up in the series.

Cable's past continuity could be described by some as being fairly convoluted. How do you plan on addressing this in the new book? Will you embrace it all? Or will you be more selective of which past storylines you will touch upon? Will we see any of Cable's past allies showing up in the series, such as Domino, Grizzly or G.W. Bridge?

Cable’s past is certainly important, but we’re not getting bogged down in it—I think it’s important for new readers to be able to jump on board with issue #1 and understand the deal quickly and easily. That said, I’m definitely going to use important characters and situations from Cable’s past to drive parts of the story—especially in the second major arc. I just want to make sure I do it in a way that doesn’t alienate the newbies.

Cable's rogues gallery pretty much begins and ends with Apocalypse. What villains can readers expect to see in the series? Will they be mostly new characters? Do you plan on using any established characters, or perhaps alternate future versions of established characters?

New characters? Check. Established characters? Check. Alternate future versions of established characters? Check.

I don’t want to reveal too much, but let’s just say that Cable will face a variety of adversaries, from “small and mean and lethal” to “large and psychotic and heavily-armed.”

As a writer, you have worked in a variety of fields, from journalism to non-fiction to fiction. Your novels are usually described as crime stories, although you do seem to work a lot of sci-fi type of elements into them. Do you find Cable to be a way of stretching your artistic muscles in new ways? Or do you find elements of your crime fiction seeping into the stories you are telling with the character?

From the beginning, Axel and I have framed this as a sci-fi spaghetti western police procedural samurai story—a lot of cool genre elements tossed into a blender. That’s kind of what I do with my own novels. There’s usually one predominant flavor (say “crime” or “thriller&#8221 but I can’t resist throwing a bunch of other weird crap in there, too, just to mess with the characters’ (and readers&#8217 minds. So in that respect, I feel right at home.

And yeah, elements of crime fiction definitely seep into Cable. I mean, he’s kind of a fugitive through time, with a serious handicap (the baby). And then you have Bishop, who’s a cop, charging after him. This is perhaps the oldest story in the book—going back to Cain slaying Abel, and Cain hopping through time to avoid the mutants from the future. (Note: Not all of this may be in the Bible. It’s been a while. But you get the idea.)

Where the artistic muscle-flexing comes in is the format: telling a story in 22-page bursts. Novelists can cheat like crazy—doing a 10 page chapter, followed by a two page chapter, whatever. So the form is more demanding. But it’s just as much fun.

I know you worked on the Punisher and Moon Knight...so you've got some comic work under your belt. How do you find the process of writing a comic book different than writing a novel? Was it an easy transition for you to collaborate with an artist as opposed to being the sole artistic voice?

I’ve had to learn how to write art direction. With novels, I purposefully keep a lot of the details vague—I think some writers are guilty of over-describing their characters. I don’t care how the sun gently slopes down her cheeks, casting her in an ephemeral glow—just have her do something, dammit!

But of course, comics are visual medium, so I’ve had to learn how to communicate exactly what I had mind—while still leaving he artist room to have fun. It’s a balancing act.

The images I've seen from the book so far are pretty impressive. What is it about Ariel Olivetti's work that makes you think he is the right artist for this series?

His eye-popping realism. It makes the characters feel all the more like flesh and blood beings. (Which makes it hurt more when the flesh is ruptured and the blood starts spilling.)

But really, I couldn’t be happier with Ariel’s work. It’s been consistently amazing.

http://www.wizarduniverse.com/020608cableqanda.html

 

[El Bastardo]

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

Seriously, I don't care about Cable. I just want to know what is going to happen to Bob

 

[Saved]

Seriously, I don't care about Cable. I just want to know what is going to happen to Bob

lol

He and Weasel should get a series.

 

[OutcryX]

Bishop should kill Cable, eat the baby then take manly pleasure in Bob

 

[Specter313]

Official Press Release

"Cable" #1 on sale March 5

After his surprising role in Messiah CompleX, Cable must now protect the child who will save mutantkind- no matter the cost! In Cable #1, the dynamic creative team of acclaimed novelist Duane Swierczynski (Moon Knight Annual, Punisher: Force Of Nature) and red-hot penciler Ariel Olivetti (Punisher War Journal) reveal just where—and when—Cable has journeyed in the quest to save his people. But just who is on his trail? And why won’t they stop till Cable’s blood is spilt? An X-Men: Divided We Stand tie-in, Cable #1 reveals the true cost of Messiah CompleX to mutankind and just what this child means for the future! Plus, Cable co-creator Rob Liefeld provides a stunning variant cover to kick off this hotly anticipated ongoing series!

"Cable is a core thread of the second stage of the war that began in Messiah CompleX -- a battle for nothing less than the future of mutantkind," says X-Men Group Editor Axel Alonso. "At the heart of the story: two battle-tested men, driven by deep conviction and prepared to do anything to complete their objective -- including calling on help from old friends. So make no mistake: The war over the future of mutantkind will be fought in the future -- in the pages of Cable-- and when it is finally over, who knows what will return to the present."

Now you can also experience Cable’s earliest, action-packed adventures in Cable Classic Vol.1 TPB, collecting the time-travelers earliest adventures and his classic battles with Stryfe! Featuring the X-Men, New Mutants and Warriors Three of Thor, this is a can’t-miss for fans of Nathan Christopher Summers!

Marvel urges retailers to check their orders on Cable and all Divided We Stand tie-ins, as the buzz around the X-Men titles continues to grow! Now that Cable has escaped with the new mutant child, is there any place—or time—where they’ll be safe? And just how does this affect Cyclops, Cable’s father, and the rest of the X-Men? Find out beginning in Cable #1!

 

[Havok83]

man that art looks lovely. Finally Cable is in a solo again!

 

[El Bastardo]

That looks so freaking awesome.

 

[Valechan]

I hate the art

 

[cerealkiller182]

Im not crazy about the art but its not horrible. Ill still check this out.