Comics Official CABLE and DEADPOOL Discussion Thread

[OutcryX]

the mohawk has to go..and didnt he have tattoos? wouldnt a healing factor kinds prohibit tattoos and body piercings and whatnot?

 

[Valechan]

Where did this Daken first appeared? I remember Rogue teasing him about a son in Uncanny 353 but I don't follow Logan's books so I have no clue where he showed up...

 

[GambitXremy]

wolverine Originsis were you can find out about daken

 

[Specter313]

 

[OutcryX]

oh..so forge ISNT dead..Bishop looks BadAss

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..oh wait..Forge IS dead and Bishop stole his technology...???

so now he has an uber arm that allows him to time travel?

Bishop has gone from misguided hero to burgeoning villain

 

[Nathan]

Not a fan of the art. Everyone looks just so big.

 

[squeekness]

oh..so forge ISNT dead..Bishop looks BadAss

It's hard to tell from that picture. Forge could still be dead and Bishop just found his stash of arms after he killed him.

 

[OutcryX]

yeah..quite literally 'his stash of arms'...creepy

 

[El Bastardo]

Bishop didn't kill him the first time, evidently, so there's nothing saying he necessarily did this time either. He just had to get something, and who better to get a mechanical arm from than the guy who randomly makes every single mechanical thing he can literally imagine?

I doubt he was going to show up and Forge would just give him one, or specifically design one for him. Even if Forge is still on the outer-extreme of the X-people, he probably got the memo that Bishop was the one who screwed him up in the first place, and betrayed people.

And his arm has tentacles, I think. Now, even without a line Outcry will eventually make, that's kind of creepy. Creepy, Forge, seriously.

 

[OutcryX]

wha? me making a comment on an arm with tentacles...enough to make even Callisto jealous and Storm drool? never....but one can appreciate the extra help sometimes...

 

[Sugarculted]

I can't stand Cable's face in the third panel. This is making me worry, I don't think Cable will last, if anyone else thought it was pretty lacklustre.

 

[Havok83]

Not a fan of the art. Everyone looks just so big.

the art is the best thing about this book. Its simply beautiful

 

[El Bastardo]

I can't stand Cable's face in the third panel. This is making me worry, I don't think Cable will last, if anyone else thought it was pretty lacklustre.

So... Cable is going to get canceled because you don't like his face in the third panel?

The first issue was a first issue. It was primarily set-up - the prologue or first chapter of a novel. Everything goes through it. As far as first chapters and first issues go, it wasn't that bad. It was action and movement while laying a foundation. I can imagine a lot worse. I've written a lot worse, in my day.

I doubt there's any likelihood that Cable will be canceled.

And on the subject of art, while I like Olivetti just fine, I think Finch's cover is freaking awesome.

 

[Havok83]

And on the subject of art, while I like Olivetti just fine, I think Finch's cover is freaking awesome.

The Finch cover is good but it looks too busy, I prefer the simplistic look of the first one

 

[El Bastardo]

The Finch cover is good but it looks too busy, I prefer the simplistic look of the first one

It's a white dude shooting a black dude with a big gun. What's too busy about that?

 

[Sugarculted]

So... Cable is going to get canceled because you don't like his face in the third panel?

The first issue was a first issue. It was primarily set-up - the prologue or first chapter of a novel. Everything goes through it. As far as first chapters and first issues go, it wasn't that bad. It was action and movement while laying a foundation. I can imagine a lot worse. I've written a lot worse, in my day.

I doubt there's any likelihood that Cable will be canceled.

And on the subject of art, while I like Olivetti just fine, I think Finch's cover is freaking awesome.

Ner, sorry...didn't word it well enough. Basically, I thought the first issue was a real let down. I loved Olivetti in PWJ, but I think his style doesn't seem to fit Cable.

Regardless of the fact it was a set up issue to the series, I still think it could've been a lot better. I've read a few short reviews, of other readers expecting a lot more. I remember reading the first C&D, and the moment I finished it, I wanted the next issue straight away. They just seemed to hype it up too much, and it felt a little flat to me.

I know I'm feeling a bit pessimistic, but I can't see Cable having a successful long run along the road with this series.

 

[El Bastardo]

Nicieza also has a drastically different writing style than does Swierwhoever. And Zircher has a drastically different art style than does Olivetti. Together, though, the two teams feed off each other very well.

If I remember the first issue of C&D, it was mostly action. Nicieza saved some of the information until the second issue, or farther. He also had a super-powered Cable and Deadpool to use, both contributing nicely to a first issue chock-full of action.

The first issue of Cable is substantially different. It's not geared up as, nor has it been hyped up to be, something of pure action. Something else to consider is that Nicieza had been writing Cable for quite some time, as far back as X-Force, at least. For Swierwhoever, which I'm calling him since I'll butcher his name otherwise, this is his first time with Cable. There's bound to be some moving into the character.

If the first issue was such a let down, I'd like to know what your expectations were, and see if they even contribute to what the book promises.

 

[Havok83]

the mohawk has to go..and didnt he have tattoos? wouldnt a healing factor kinds prohibit tattoos and body piercings and whatnot?

Not really. Piercing holes will only close up if theres nothing in them. Someone with a rapid healing factor would just have that happen alot sooner if they take their piercing out. Healing factor shouldnt affect tattoos at all

 

[squeekness]

^^That's what I figured as well. Sabes had some nice tats a while back, too. A healer would probably love to get tats since it wouldn't hurt for long.

 

[Sugarculted]

If the first issue was such a let down, I'd like to know what your expectations were, and see if they even contribute to what the book promises.

I sure hope you're not getting a lil fired up by my comments about the first issue. I didn't state that it was the worst thing I've ever read, that's for sure.

I just guess that I'd add a different style to the mix. For a first issue, I expected slick one liners, hard hitting action and emotion. Cable's well known for being the soldier of the future, surely he has a better placement of the naked baby. His chest is the biggest target throughout. Whilst he's doing all this time travelling, surely some armour for the naked baby wouldn't go amiss. Note the baby changing too, right after the gunfight. They're in NJ, where gangs are gonna be rife in 2043. Surely the bout will attract attention, yet Cable's happy to change him straight away.

I just feel like Cable wasn't treated as the Cable we've all known to love. He's supposed to be an experienced time traveller soldier, not someone who strolls into a bar, and gets his ass kicked. If I was using Cable, I'd add more of the soldier aspect to him. Like I said, Olivetti didn't seem to fit right with the issue. His art gives it somewhat, a comical look. We're trying to believe Cable's going to seriously risk all he has for this baby, but with a baby the size of his thumb, and arms sometimes bigger than his torso, it's just hard to settle in for me.

I shall be picking it up, and if Swierwhoever builds up a bit more on Cable, I'm on for the long run. I love me some Cable, anyway.

 

[El Bastardo]

Those are such little things, though.

Swier. obviously played up the soldier angle of Cable. One, it's basically the entire premise - no longer is Cable playing mutant messiah, he's fallen back to his original role as a soldier, his entire "assignment" being to protect the baby. The soldier angle and all his combat training is right there when he confronts the ruffians, and following on that note, he probably wouldn't have changed the baby had he the idea that any were still in the area. If he was able to figure out where those three were, I'm sure he could have decided whether there were more or not. As it were, there weren't. No harm, no foul.

The baby on his chest is better than on his back. What else? Sitting atop his head? Hanging from a leg? Stuck in a book satchel that he can swing around and hit people with? There are only so many viable alternatives. Should he wheel around a baby stroller? Or hook the baby up to one of those elastic wristbands and teach her to walk and keep up? At least, on his chest, he can use his arm to defend her - the way he did when Deathstrike attacked, the way he did in the first issue. This is something he couldn't do in other scenarios.

As for going into the bar and getting surprise-attacked, well, it's just that - surprise-attacked. Would you have written a Cable who was honestly expecting Bishop? Were I Cable, I wouldn't expect Bishop to be there. I wouldn't even suspect Bishop to be there. I'd expect Bishop to be at the bottom of Predator X's poop pile. Cable saw Bishop get attacked and ran. By the time Bishop resurfaced, Cable was gone. And even then, Bishop, during his time with the X-Men, hasn't had a real penchant for time travel.

And it's like I said with Messiah Complex. Cable was acting off of something that gave him insight into what was happening, and it was clear that Bishop was, too, in that he was able to surprise Cable.

Heroes can't handle everything; else, it's boring. The Cable we have here has nothing but his training as a soldier - he has no TK, no TP, and now he has an antagonist who's going to be super thorn in his side. And Cable's stuck in a game of defense, for the most part, assuming. That's what's going to make this title good.

The art's another matter. Personally, I like Olivetti's fit. The panel work is good, it's fluid and static at the same time. It's simple, unlike Bachalo. It's painted but not an eyesore the way Alex Ross's stuff comes off as sometimes. I like the way it fits. But that's an utter matter of opinion.

 

[OutcryX]

So Bishop is hoping to cap both Cable and baby doom bringer right? Good times man, good times!

 

[Sugarculted]

Those are such little things, though.

Yeah, I know. I'm just a bit of a nitpicker when it comes to these things. You made valid points, but I'll still say they bothered me a little.

Personally, the lack of Cable being a messiah man nowadays is probably what affects me the most. I realise his roots are those of a soldier, but it's too much of a departure for me. But, like I said...I'm still on for the long run.

 

[El Bastardo]

Then you still can't blame the solo for that - it was Nicieza who started that in C&D, and Carey. Right around the time Civil War was breaking down and Nate was running around with Rogue's X-Men team, the messiah complex (bahahahaha, I made a pun) went out the window. I don't know if it was necessarily intended on Nicieza's part, but nonetheless.

Being soldier in a war and protecting a possible messiah is undoubtedly more important than trying to be a messiah himself, especially when he's seen the good the baby can make.

And no, you didn't get me flustered, or whatever you worried about previously. I just enjoy a good debate.

 

[bored]

Bishop looks... white.