Dark of the Moon OFFICIAL Dark of the Moon REVIEW THREAD - Part 1

[Paradox1]

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FADE IN

EXT. SUBURBAN BACKYARD - AFTERNOON

9-year-olds Mike and Timmy are playing with water guns in the backyard. Timmy trips over the sprinklers and lands on the driveway, scraping his knee.

TIMMY: (crying) Ow! I'm down!

Mike stands over Timmy.

TIMMY: Fine! It's over! You win!

Suddenly, Mike points his water gun at Timmy.

MIKE: Sorry, man. But this is war. And sometimes, the right choice isn't always the heroic one...

TIMMY: Wait, what?

Mike blasts Timmy in the face.


FADE OUT.
*****

If Timmy was allowed to live would he eventualy heal from his wounds build new pillars,open a space bridge that he could use to bring down thousands to millions of evil robots. That would overrun the planet enslave all of mankind so they can rebuild their own civilization? If so murk his ass and have a goodnight sleep.

 

[Hobgoblin]

The message a kid should get from that is war isn't pretty and the right choice isn't always the heroic one.

Exactly.

 

[DW4]

For some reason I found what Optimus said to be comical. "Awwww Jazz..." It sounded like Jazz had goofed up again and Optimus was disappointed in his actions. But you are correct, there was at least a reaction to his death unlike Ironhide, which was nothing.

Haha, yeah you can definitely interpret that scene like that but most viewers would notice that they were upset over his death.

Even Sam was excited that Ironhide was entering the battle against the 2 Dreads, he's been with the main Autobot team since the first movie has fought countless battles with Lennox and helped Sam protect the cube in the first movie. I would of been fine with some screaming of No or Ironhide when he was shot and Optimus mentioning it before executing Sentinel at the end.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I just saw it for a second time and man what an amazing movie, the CGI and SFX alone are worthy of Oscar wins. I know how people love bashing these films as big budget junk but if one looks past that you can see how some serious stuntwork looks to have been involved on the sky diving and crumbling/tilting building scenes.

 

[def28]

The movies simple. Good guys vs Bad guys.

Spoiler

The decepticons and Sentinel were disintegrating humans left and right and were planing on making them their slaves. Plus they killed Ironhide, the bastards and executed an autobot in a pretty harsh fashion. All thats pretty messed up. Optimus killed Sentinel cause hes a bad guy. Its that simple.

Theres no need to think about it more. Is it stupid? Yup, very. But its pointless trying to over think Primes motives.Personally I love seeing autobots **** up decepticons. Thats why I saw this flick and if anything it needed more. All the major decepticons death were at the hands of humans. That pissed me off . How can you not expect dumb humor or over the top violence walking into to DOTM? Thats what all three of these movies have been about. Prime kills the baddie in a more gratuitous way each flick. The biggest flaw of the film is the lack of bots and focus on humans. If I was a parent to a child under 13, I might be pissed at the violence. But if I was the kid I would have been stoked at Prime killing all the bad guys. Cause its a guilty pleasure seeing these robots rip eachother apart. The flicks pg-13 so parents shouldnt be letting anyone too young see this. I saw the animated movie when I was very young and they killed all my favorite characters off in the first half hour in cold blood. That was disturbing to watch as a child, and that flicks pg. This has always been a violent franchise. Its not gonna change.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think I disagreed with you before...but not any more. You're correct. They're dumb, simple, movies. Made ONLY for action and effects. Bay knows this, and so should everyone else.

 

[Cmill216]

If Timmy was allowed to live would he eventualy heal from his wounds build new pillars,open a space bridge that he could use to bring down thousands to millions of evil robots. That would overrun the planet enslave all of mankind so they can rebuild their own civilization? If so murk his ass and have a goodnight sleep.

Then we'd simply combine The Cube with The Matrix of Leadership to form The Cube of Leadership, and use it to reawaken Adjective Prime and stop Timmy's nefarious plan to take over the world by blowing up Minneapolis.

 

[CelticPredator]

Or you could just kill them all.

 

[blksuperman2]

Saw this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Really was just an epic summer blockbuster.

I'm sure this was answered but

Spoiler

If Sentinel Prime made a deal w/ Megatron then why would the decepticons shoot his ship down?

If Sentinel Prime was the leader during the war, why didn't he have the Matrix of Leadership?

 

[Drizzle]

And how many deaths was Optimus responsible for by allowing the attack to take place to prove a point?

He didn't really allow it. Humans did. He was backed into a corner on that one. The United Nations ordered the Autobots to leave Earth as per Sentinel's orders. Because the people of Earth requested it, Optimus had to comply, because of his ideals about freedom being the right of all sentient beings. In fact, he even said something like that in the second film when the CIA director suggested that they leave the planet to draw any Decepticons away from Earth. He said something like "Freedom is your right. If you make such a request, we will accept it." Of course, his motives were to stop the Decepticons all along, and it wasn't his intent for so many humans to die.

 

[Mace Dolex]

I'm sure this was answered but

Spoiler

If Sentinel Prime made a deal w/ Megatron then why would the decepticons shoot his ship down?

If Sentinel Prime was the leader during the war, why didn't he have the Matrix of Leadership?

I guess we'll have to wait for Michael Bay to answer that on the DVD commentary.

 

[chaseter]

That Matrix was held with the original primes. Sentinel never had it.

I think the Autobots shot down the Ark. The autobots knew Sentinel was being held on that ship and it was being driven by Decepticons so they shot it down. That's what I would guess. Also, I don't think all the Decepticons knew of Megatron's side deal. It looks like they were trying to get away with the pillars and they were shot down.

 

[Nathan]

He didn't really allow it. Humans did. He was backed into a corner on that one. The United Nations ordered the Autobots to leave Earth as per Sentinel's orders. Because the people of Earth requested it, Optimus had to comply, because of his ideals about freedom being the right of all sentient beings. In fact, he even said something like that in the second film when the CIA director suggested that they leave the planet to draw any Decepticons away from Earth. He said something like "Freedom is your right. If you make such a request, we will accept it." Of course, his motives were to stop the Decepticons all along, and it wasn't his intent for so many humans to die.

This is bull and I don't see how it justified what Optimus did. Yes, the humans wanted them to leave and they did. And then the spaceship was blown up. But they were still on the ****ing planet. So instead of having that entire attack on Chicago take place in the first place, they could have already taken strategic positions, after the Decepticons assumed them all dead, and when Sentinel orders the attack, you already see the first Decepticon ship blowing up.

Even when everyone says they don't need your help, but they do in fact need it, you know what, you ****ing help. Even when you risk your life and no one is going to thank you for it. Because it's the right thing to do. Optimus would know this.

 

[Timstuff]

This is bull and I don't see how it justified what Optimus did. Yes, the humans wanted them to leave and they did. And then the spaceship was blown up. But they were still on the ****ing planet. So instead of having that entire attack on Chicago take place in the first place, they could have already taken strategic positions, after the Decepticons assumed them all dead, and when Sentinel orders the attack, you already see the first Decepticon ship blowing up.

Even when everyone says they don't need your help, but they do in fact need it, you know what, you ****ing help. Even when you risk your life and no one is going to thank you for it. Because it's the right thing to do. Optimus would know this.

Maybe it's a commentary on Iraq. In 2004 lots of people wanted us to pull out, including many Iraqis. The American presence in Iraq was very unpopular, but we left when the job was done, not when people wanted us to leave. Michael Bay may have been drawing parallels between the Autobots' presence on Earth with the US presence in Iraq, or even Afghanistan where we are probably going to leave without defeating the Taliban.

 

[LostSon88]

Saw this over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Really was just an epic summer blockbuster.

I'm sure this was answered but

Spoiler

If Sentinel Prime made a deal w/ Megatron then why would the decepticons shoot his ship down?

If Sentinel Prime was the leader during the war, why didn't he have the Matrix of Leadership?

1. It was a secret alliance formed between only he and Megatron.

2. It was in Egypt.

 

[OoAnd1]

NO. Optimus was WRONG.

The honorable thing to do was to simply take them into custody!!! Who cares that aside from their fellow Autobots, they've killed hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of humans their entire occupation on Earth.

Optimus still should've kept them alive so they can face...prosecution in a court of law?

















...wait, what?

I feel like the remaining Decepticons have decided to post here after losing the battle.

 

[Liam_H]

Maybe it's a commentary on Iraq. In 2004 lots of people wanted us to pull out, including many Iraqis. The American presence in Iraq was very unpopular, but we left when the job was done, not when people wanted us to leave. Michael Bay may have been drawing parallels between the Autobots' presence on Earth with the US presence in Iraq, or even Afghanistan where we are probably going to leave without defeating the Taliban.

I'm almost 100% positive this was a commentary on war on terror/occupation of Iraq. The autobots(Americans) didn't want to leave because the decepticons(terrorists) would f**k Earth/Chicago(Iraq) up when they do. Scott Mendelson (one of a few people I enjoy hearing critique from) sums this up perfectly on his blog.

This film, and really the whole Transformers trilogy, has been Michael Bay's epic parable for 'Why we were right to invade Iraq and/or Afghanistan and why we should never leave'. Like the previous two films, there are several scenes of Optimus Prime monologuing about how the Autobots (cough-America-cough) cannot leave Earth (cough-the Middle East-cough) even if Earth (cough-the Middle East or the Anti-War left-cough) wants them to leave, because they know that the Decepticons (cough-the Taliban or Al Qaeda-cough) will return and unleash hell if they do.

http://scottalanmendelson.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-transformers-dark-of-moon-3d-is.html

Bay did this in the past two movies but they were more subtle and weren't distracting but this time he just didn't care to hide it. When he focused on a tattered American flag at the end of the battle I laughed so hard.

 

[chaseter]

I am pretty sure Bay is a liberal that loves/admires Obama. He made fun of Bush in the first movie. So, I wouldn't think Bay is for the wars.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-101.html?

If that is truly him posting then that is your answer. So, I don't see how this movie is promoting us staying in Iraq and Afghanistan indefinitely when the man making the movie is against the current wars.

 

[Matt]

This movie could've cut off the first 90 minutes, picked up as Sam entered Chicago and had a brief flashback of the events leading up to it and it would've been ten times better. The first 90 minutes really drags it down with its stupid humor and lame characters. That said...its still better than Revenge of the Fallen and the action is AMAZING...Though I would've prefered more robots fighting than just humans running from **** falling and explosions, it felt more like a disaster movie than Transformers.

6/10

 

[LostSon88]

I feel like the remaining Decepticons have decided to post here after losing the battle.

You do realize I was being sarcastic, right?

 

[Timstuff]

I am pretty sure Bay is a liberal that loves/admires Obama. He made fun of Bush in the first movie. So, I wouldn't think Bay is for the wars.

http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-101.html?

If that is truly him posting then that is your answer. So, I don't see how this movie is promoting us staying in Iraq and Afghanistan indefinitely when the man making the movie is against the current wars.

Actually, some critics complained that in Transformers 2, Bay implied that Obama was not competent at handling a crisis situation. Bush was a caricature in the first film, but the movie made no negative commentary about his policies.

 

[chaseter]

Bush was made fun of as inept and dumb and Obama has been portrayed in no way as a caricature. Transformers 1, 2, or 3 don't make any direct statements about current policy issues.

The fact that the reviewer said that Transformers 3 shows Michael Bay's sentiments on the Iraq War was dumb and incorrect since Michael Bay is obviously, through his own quotes, against those wars.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'm almost 100% positive this was a commentary on war on terror/occupation of Iraq. The autobots(Americans) didn't want to leave because the decepticons(terrorists) would f**k Earth/Chicago(Iraq) up when they do. Scott Mendelson (one of a few people I enjoy hearing critique from) sums this up perfectly on his blog.

This film, and really the whole Transformers trilogy, has been Michael Bay's epic parable for 'Why we were right to invade Iraq and/or Afghanistan and why we should never leave'. Like the previous two films, there are several scenes of Optimus Prime monologuing about how the Autobots (cough-America-cough) cannot leave Earth (cough-the Middle East-cough) even if Earth (cough-the Middle East or the Anti-War left-cough) wants them to leave, because they know that the Decepticons (cough-the Taliban or Al Qaeda-cough) will return and unleash hell if they do.

http://scottalanmendelson.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-transformers-dark-of-moon-3d-is.html

Bay did this in the past two movies but they were more subtle and weren't distracting but this time he just didn't care to hide it. When he focused on a tattered American flag at the end of the battle I laughed so hard.

...Or it could just be because that's why the Autobots stick around in all their cartoons and comics...

 

[Colossal Spoons]

When Tyrese asked why the Decepticons always get the coolest s**t, it got me thinking. What is the coolest or most powerful Autobot weapon/vehicle/etc. Omega Supreme's the only thing I've ever been in awe of.

 

[chaseter]

Wait...could Optimus use the Matrix to bring back Ironhide?