First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[BigSams50]

srry im new to the red skull thread, but who are yalls top choices for red skull?

 

[sabetoonth]

red the last page
most of our choices r thre

 

[TwistedMentat]

I'd rather see Mads as a human (pre-Robot) version of Arnim Zola for some reason (I saw an excellent manip on here - probably won me over). Get someone like Til Schweiger or Thomas Kretschmann to play Baron Zemo I. Too Old? Shouldn't have cast Schweighoefer in Thor then, Marvel! I also agree that too many villains can kill a movie. However, I think smart allusions or cameos that make sense wouldn't hurt anything.

Richard Sammel or Christoph Waltz for the Red Skull unquestionably. I'd actually go with Sammel, based upon his LONG history playing Nazis, he's taller than Waltz (who is 5' 8"), and the fact I'm pretty sure he's blond and he has natural blue eyes. He was in Basterds too, playing the German who got his head wacked in. Knows French, English, and I believe Italian fluently, in addition to his native German. Has a thin face, so the mask actually would work. Waltz's chin is a bit too long IMHO for Skull. If you even dare doubt Richard's skills playing a Nazi, I invite you to watch Jean Moulin or the recent series (both are French) 'Un Village Francais.' Just caught episode 8 and he was interrogating a guy and torturing him with a cigarette (want a smoke? - cue the burning) and so on. Had they thrown a mask on him and given a different backstory, he would have been playing the Skull. Also, I don't think he'd care if he was in a mask for most of an American film; he seems to be the sort of actor who just wants to act and explore different roles, not show his face all over the place like many movie stars (and even well-known actors I have seen mentioned before in casting calls for many masked roles...something many would never agree to as they've got to show their mugs for more than half of the film).

My silly rambling aside, cast someone to play the world's 'evillest' Nazi who knows how to play 'em right. No speculation. Hire a guy who knows what the hell he's doing, so we don't get some ridiculous sort of sympathetic rubbish with the RED SKULL of all villains. No cop outs like in so many other Marvel films; sad to say, Loony Bin Jim was one of the more memorable Marvel movie villains lately I thought, and I know a lot of people hated Punisher War Zone and Jim.

Come on Marvel, get with it and make Red Skull so evil that he might give a few kids nightmares. The film can still stay below R or 18 and actually have a truly menacing baddie. I have hope we'll get Mads, Waltz or even Sammel (I'm dreaming) to play him.

 

[DocHoliday]

What about Michael Fassbender. He speaks German and he's a fan favorite.

 

[Keyser Soze]

My silly rambling aside, cast someone to play the world's 'evillest' Nazi who knows how to play 'em right. No speculation. Hire a guy who knows what the hell he's doing, so we don't get some ridiculous sort of sympathetic rubbish with the RED SKULL of all villains. No cop outs like in so many other Marvel films; sad to say, Loony Bin Jim was one of the more memorable Marvel movie villains lately I thought, and I know a lot of people hated Punisher War Zone and Jim.

Come on Marvel, get with it and make Red Skull so evil that he might give a few kids nightmares. The film can still stay below R or 18 and actually have a truly menacing baddie. I have hope we'll get Mads, Waltz or even Sammel (I'm dreaming) to play him.

Well said. Red Skull is one villain you CANNOT make into a sympathetic, nuanced character. What I've always liked about him in the comics is how utterly evil he is, how utterly devoid of any redeeming qualities whatsoever. I want to see that on film, a villain we can truly despise.

 

[sabetoonth]

i agree a million times, give us a mean son of a ***** we can not dispise, but hate and fear and have no good feelings towards him

 

[Drz]

Johann Schmidt (Main Stream)

The tragical German guy who fell into love with a jewish girl and everything he cared for got taken away (by his own hands mind you). Until he finally became Hitler's servant and thus became the Red Skull. This is the original and classical swastika symbolic villain of Captain America. Who could possibly fit for this movie if they kill him off aswell in my honest opinion. Why would i want this guy dead? Because i dislike the idea of having this guy as some +60 year old guy (Oh and please no body swapping in the movie universe) guy whos a German nazi. It's just lame to have modern era nazis if you ask me, but for this movie alone and for ww2? Hell yeah! It could work nicely!


Ultimate Red Skull

This is the Red Skull i'd love to have if they wish to have him in the modern era. Before Captain America went to germany to fight the war, he had sex with his girlfriend (hence this kid is a bastard) and because Captain never came back. **** dropped on to this kid. He was in a facility lab for 17 years of his life. By the time he was 14 he already outdid his father in physical and whatnot tests. The super soldier serum was perfect in the boy's body, but when he turned 17 he realized he was strong enough to escape. Killing everyone in the facility and scarring his own face into what he looks like... why? Because he looked exactly like his father and 17 years of improsoment got him to hate America and his father.

He's the perfect political weapon for hire. An American mercenery whos been involved in all these wars thru out the years. While he is indeed +50 years old the guy has the perfect body of a 20-30 year old, not to mention he loves killing americans and earning money from it. It also adds excelent dilemma for the superstar Captain America to find out his son is the equilevant of Osama Bin Laden. =O


So which one would you prefer in the future Captain America movies and why?
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[C. Lee]

I go for the mainstream version. The Ultimate one sounds terrible to me (talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face....geeze).

 

[Chewy]

So the question here is whether we want to see Cap's most iconic villain, one who has been around for 60+ years in the comics and is one of the biggest name and most influential villains in all comicdom, or a mediocre revamp of him that has been around for a few months?

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea its more then likely going to be regular 616 red skull. Since ultimate red skull is new and not much is going on with his character yet.

 

[That person]

I'd say they should stick mostly with the 616 version, but I wouldn't mind them borrowing some Ultimate ideas. Namely, they could use the 1610 version for his appearences' origins, but keep the "abusive father" element of the classic origins (If SR taught you ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, it should be that giving superheroes bastard children doesn't work, especially for boy scout figures. If they want to revieve him, they could make him responsible for Cap getting frozen while perserving himself in the same incident, then his body could be discovered by the Sons of the Serpent.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

616, the ultimate doesnt sound too pleasing to me

 

[Webhead2006]

totally plus the character is brand new and we dont have his whole story and plot yet. Plus with the film being ww2 its definately going to be classic red skull.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That Ultimate version sounds like crap. 616.

 

[[A]]

I'm sure the movie-verse would make a nice little mix.

 

[sabetoonth]

i think classic should be used for this move, with a few different elemsnts from diferent versions thrown in. im a fan of the ultimate vers personally, but i still love me some 616

 

[tamron]

That Ultimate version sounds like crap. 616.

This.

 

[Triad]

Johann Schmidt (Main Stream)

The tragical German guy who fell into love with a jewish girl and everything he cared for got taken away (by his own hands mind you). Until he finally became Hitler's servant and thus became the Red Skull. This is the original and classical swastika symbolic villain of Captain America. Who could possibly fit for this movie if they kill him off aswell in my honest opinion. Why would i want this guy dead? Because i dislike the idea of having this guy as some +60 year old guy (Oh and please no body swapping in the movie universe) guy whos a German nazi. It's just lame to have modern era nazis if you ask me, but for this movie alone and for ww2? Hell yeah! It could work nicely!


Ultimate Red Skull
This is the Red Skull i'd love to have if they wish to have him in the modern era. Before Captain America went to germany to fight the war, he had sex with his girlfriend (hence this kid is a bastard) and because Captain never came back. **** dropped on to this kid. He was in a facility lab for 17 years of his life. By the time he was 14 he already outdid his father in physical and whatnot tests. The super soldier serum was perfect in the boy's body, but when he turned 17 he realized he was strong enough to escape. Killing everyone in the facility and scarring his own face into what he looks like... why? Because he looked exactly like his father and 17 years of improsoment got him to hate America and his father.

He's the perfect political weapon for hire. An American mercenery whos been involved in all these wars thru out the years. While he is indeed +50 years old the guy has the perfect body of a 20-30 year old, not to mention he loves killing americans and earning money from it. It also adds excelent dilemma for the superstar Captain America to find out his son is the equilevant of Osama Bin Laden. =O


So which one would you prefer in the future Captain America movies and why?
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Sue me, but I agree with Drz. I really don't like the idea too much of pushing the boundaries of probability by having both Cap and his nemesis being preserved into modern times. I know that it goes against the cannon, but I would prefer that the original Red Skull be killed off in TFA:CA.
If they wanted to bring an element of the Skull back in The Avengers movie, I actually like the synopsis of the Ultimate Red Skull's origin that Drz posted above. I know that the character is new and hasn't been tested yet, but I admit that I like the concept from what I've read.

 

[Triad]

EDIT: double post.

 

[tamron]

Look, Ultimate is a different universe and that's cool. But I really don't want movie Cap having bastard sons or anything like that. That idea kind of works for Ult Cap bc he's really more like 616 US Agent.

I don't mind them taking a few, minor points from the Ult Universe for the film, but something like that changes both characters (and invites comparisons to Superman Returns). I'd much rather them hew closer to 616.

 

[sabetoonth]

what if they take the he cuts his face off part? i could live with that

 

[Gamma Goliath]

eh, the ultimate isnt movie worthy, 616 works

 

[Stripesy Strip]

You know, I was prefering Red Skull as a great sadistic agent from the Reich that wears a mask for him to be different from Cap but more I think about it, more I think it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would he wear a mask? At least Baron Zemo is disfigured. Also I would think Hitler wouldn't like that if somebody would go out of the Nazi ranks and build his own legend apart from the Reich. The concept of the Nazies was all about Hitler being God-like and no other can even question that he rules everything and nobody can come close to him. The only way for the masked Skull to work would be for him to create a Red Skull organisation after the demise of the Nazi Regime to replace it. And Schimth, the leader would wear that mask as an amblem for this new organisation/cause.

I guess I could see birth defect/war injury would work better. Maybe his surname would be Red Skull even if his appearance wouldn't be that freakish. He could only be some ugly bald guy with a war injury, giving him a redish ue. People call him the RK as surname. And then after the war, he creats the Red Skull organisation and starts wearing a mask(learning the trick of psychological warfare that a costume provides from Captain America).

 

[Webhead2006]

well we will have to see what joe decides to do with skull.

 

[sabetoonth]

i still like the idea of him cutting off his own face, makes him sem lesssane and more evil to me, he cuts off his own face AND is a nazi? i wouldnt mind seeing that, though as long as we get the red skull being disfigured im happy