First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[darthlaney]

What needs to be avoided is a mask that the actor constantly takes off to get his 'face time' - like Mcquire in Spider-man, whats the point of having an alter ego if you are never in the full suit.

 

[Rage]

I agree. Get a decent "character Actor" to play the skull and keep him in makeup. My suggestion for the skull is...Peter Greene from Pulp Fiction and The Black Donnellys

Here is his imdb page... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0338886/

 

[WeaponXProject]

I'm sticking with Viggo but besides him I am pretty clueless...

 

[The Question]

What needs to be avoided is a mask that the actor constantly takes off to get his 'face time' - like Mcquire in Spider-man, whats the point of having an alter ego if you are never in the full suit.

Why not just have him stay in the mask except when it's appropriate in the story for him not to wear one?

 

[WeaponXProject]

I would rather it be a scarred face than a mask as well.

 

[Shockdingo]

What needs to be avoided is a mask that the actor constantly takes off to get his 'face time' - like Mcquire in Spider-man, whats the point of having an alter ego if you are never in the full suit.

Quote for the win, that's a pet peeve of mine. I don't mind if we see the face of the hero/main character whatever, but if it becomes too frequent, people are going to wonder HOW a villain or person with a camera phone hasn't discovered their alternate identity.

 

[Rage]

Camera phones in WW2?? How big would those be??

 

[Weadazoid]

Do we manke him some 50 years older then Cap?? And technically if they go oldschool, well, WW2 was....how long ago.


Wolverine has a healing factor so I can belived he was in WW2 and still looks pretty much the same,


The Skull in the books always gets his but kicked now IMO because he is an oldman, still formidable to a human, but not formidale to a cryo-cap.


I say re-invent the Skully, keep him deformed but go a new route, don't give him origins in WW2

 

[The Question]

God no. Keep him WWII. Also, recall, he later decided to even the odds against Cap by getting a new body cloned from Cap himself.

 

[darthlaney]

Why not just have him stay in the mask except when it's appropriate in the story for him not to wear one?

My problem with a mask, rather than disfigurement is that it will keep getting taken off if its a big name actor. Just like in Spiderman, everytime Spidey stops, he wipes the mask off - when Peter is Spiderm-man I want to see Spider-man!

So when is it appropriate? Red Skull comes in from a big day at the genocide factory, just wants to put his feet up and have a cognac, slips on his smoking jacket and slippers, removes the mask and sits in his big arm chair in the den to relax.

When I see the Red Skull, I want to see the skull - if he is in the movie it is always appropriate to wear the mask.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Hugo Weaving wore a mask for the entire movie in V For Vendetta. He's not a big name actor, but he's a definitely recognizable one.

 

[K.B.]

I would love to see Gary Oldman as Red Skull. He hasent been a bad guy in some time.

 

[K.B.]

I forgot about my sig....


SAM JACKSON! LMAO

 

[irapogi]

I would love to see Gary Oldman as Red Skull. He hasent been a bad guy in some time.

that'd be plausible. i approve! great idea.

 

[Weadazoid]

God no. Keep him WWII. Also, recall, he later decided to even the odds against Cap by getting a new body cloned from Cap himself.

So from say 1940 to 2010 is um lets see 70 years, meaining, If Scull was say around 17 when he got the treatment.


yeah...97, how do you make that work, A clone is one thing, transfering concious... general audience is not going to buy it.


Script writers who try to make things...realistic are going to have issued with the age, trust me.


Not saying I like it Comic Book characters don't really age, but in a movie they kind of have to.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Willem Dafoe?

 

[The Question]

So from say 1940 to 2010 is um lets see 70 years, meaining, If Scull was say around 17 when he got the treatment.


yeah...97, how do you make that work, A clone is one thing, transfering concious... general audience is not going to buy it.


Script writers who try to make things...realistic are going to have issued with the age, trust me.


Not saying I like it Comic Book characters don't really age, but in a movie they kind of have to.

Well, the first movie is going to be set entirely in World War Two anyway, so that part isn't an issue. As for any sequels set in the present, there are options:

1) He starts off as an old guy and then uses Cap's DNA to remake himself as a super soldier.

2) After Cap goes missing, his obsession with him causes him to search for him endlessly, not believing he's really dead, and when he can't find him, he has himself put in cryo to ensure that he'll be alive and well when Cap resurfaces.

3) Go with what was said in the original comics: Through sheer coincidence, he was also stuck in suspended animation through a craaaaazy accident.


The last one kind of sucks, but you get my point. There are options besides completely gutting the character.

 

[Negrotigre]

Thomas Kretschmann for The Red Skull

Perfect!

 

[Negrotigre]

Willem Dafoe?

He also crossed my mind as a good choice. They need someone who can do a good German accent. Valkyrie had some cringeworthy accents in it I hope are avoided this time.

 

[K.B.]

Well, the first movie is going to be set entirely in World War Two anyway, so that part isn't an issue. As for any sequels set in the present, there are options:

1) He starts off as an old guy and then uses Cap's DNA to remake himself as a super soldier.

2) After Cap goes missing, his obsession with him causes him to search for him endlessly, not believing he's really dead, and when he can't find him, he has himself put in cryo to ensure that he'll be alive and well when Cap resurfaces.

3) Go with what was said in the original comics: Through sheer coincidence, he was also stuck in suspended animation through a craaaaazy accident.


The last one kind of sucks, but you get my point. There are options besides completely gutting the character.

See this is why it's easier to go the German super soldier route with his origin. Not only it is easier to explain for when we get to the present but it's a good paralel to Cap himself. The opposite side of the coin if you will. Perhaps The reason the germans kill the good doctor is because they want the ONLY super soldier...

 

[The Question]

See this is why it's easier to go the German super soldier route with his origin. Not only it is easier to explain for when we get to the present but it's a good paralel to Cap himself. The opposite side of the coin if you will. Perhaps The reason the germans kill the good doctor is because they want the ONLY super soldier...

Personally, I feel that having him be a normal human works better for that. It explains why he would want to become a super soldier (and in turn regain his youth), because of his hatred of the one man who's better than him. Making him super right off the bat may be easier, but having him start out a normal is, I think, better for the character.

 

[Philly Phanboy]

Who should play the Red Skull?

Benno Fürmann or Thomas Kretschmann would be good.

Also should the Skull wear a mask or just be deformed?

I say mask.

 

[captainrogers]

Well, the first movie is going to be set entirely in World War Two anyway, so that part isn't an issue. As for any sequels set in the present, there are options:

1) He starts off as an old guy and then uses Cap's DNA to remake himself as a super soldier.

2) After Cap goes missing, his obsession with him causes him to search for him endlessly, not believing he's really dead, and when he can't find him, he has himself put in cryo to ensure that he'll be alive and well when Cap resurfaces.

3) Go with what was said in the original comics: Through sheer coincidence, he was also stuck in suspended animation through a craaaaazy accident.


The last one kind of sucks, but you get my point. There are options besides completely gutting the character.

...or option 4) The Kirby Omniversal Quantum Matrix! (or the 'Cosmic Cube' as Fury dubs it.) Why not? It's a catch all for explaining the Schmidt using it's powers to make him young again.


Just my 2 cents.

 

[CaptainCanada]

What needs to be avoided is a mask that the actor constantly takes off to get his 'face time' - like Mcquire in Spider-man, whats the point of having an alter ego if you are never in the full suit.

With Spider-Man, they do that so that he can emote and the audience can identify with him during the big moments; there's no reason to do that with villains. Villains just have to be threatening (particularly the Skull, who hasn't got any redeeming features).

 

[Mad_Hatter]

As far as his face, I'd say it should definitely be scarring and not a mask. However that needs to come about (probably through a super-soldier experiment gone wrong or his own personal torture chemical thrown into his face or something like that), I really think it's the best way for him. Avoids the pesky mask-pulling-off that we got in Spider Man, and makes him just that much creepier. His intelligence should be played up as well...he may be physically weaker than Cap in the long-run, but he could probably out-think him. Mental enemies are the scariest, ya know.

Now, as to who should play him...my personal vote is for Ulrich Matthes.

50-year old German actor who can pull of a creepy air without much of a problem (he played Goebbels, after all). Here's his imdb profile: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0559890/