First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Rich Santoro]

yes i see the guy as being evil as **** but still being at least able to tone it down enough that he coud just dissapear for a while while he plots, like witness protection but hes just acting like hes not so evil. i guess thats what i was trying to say

For the sake of disappearing... I am thinking that he would be more suited to a comparison from the movie "Hannibal". The Red Skull would be like Mason Verger (the old disfigured man in the bed), rather than to behavior ala Lecter himself.

Verger was a recluse, hidden away in his estate, unknown to the world... plotting his revenge (his particular story, and the fact that he was severely disabled is not in scope of my comparison). Whereas Lecter could walk out in the open, sit and have coffee, talk to people... With this, I see a Lecter-type of analogy as more suited for Zemo... and the maniacal madman, locked away, seeking the kill and maim, as more where Skull lies...

He could even be a decrepid old man (in his 90s) at the outset of the modern era segement of the Cap movie, or perhaps in the Avengers ... Then he becomes revitalized (by some AIM tech, a new age version of the SSS, or by finally developing the cosmic cube).

 

[Rich Santoro]

dp...

 

[Gamma Goliath]

For the sake of disappearing... I am thinking that he would be more suited to a comparison from the movie "Hannibal". The Red Skull would be like Mason Verger (the old disfigured man in the bed), rather than to behavior ala Lecter himself.

Verger was a recluse, hidden away in his estate, unknown to the world... plotting his revenge (his particular story, and the fact that he was severely disabled is not in scope of my comparison). Whereas Lecter could walk out in the open, sit and have coffee, talk to people... With this, I see a Lecter-type of analogy as more suited for Zemo... and the maniacal madman, locked away, seeking the kill and maim, as more where Skull lies...

He could even be a decrepid old man (in his 90s) at the outset of the modern era segement of the Cap movie, or perhaps in the Avengers ... Then he becomes revitalized (by some AIM tech, a new age version of the SSS, or by finally developing the cosmic cube).

Dude those are some awsome suggestions.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Dude those are some awsome suggestions.

Cool, thanks bro...

 

[sabetoonth]

they are pretty good. he should have a castle or something in the mountainss as to hide away from the world, but when he arrives here in the modern realm of man, he sees he has to change to reap benefit, than becoming a rutthless businss man shaming away from nazism as some people dont want anything to do with him for that alone, people he needs to use. this cold be a way of showing his change out of nazism

 

[CHEZ]

Wow, whoever said Viggo for the Red Skull nailed it. He would be perfect.
Great call. I cannot see a better pick than that.

 

[Judson Caspian]

I think the only way to make Red Skull look believable is to remove all skin from his head. Like Frank in Hellraiser.

 

[CHEZ]

I've always liked this for live action:

This is very cool. What is this pic from?

 

[Rich Santoro]

I would like to see Skull as hiding out in S. America, where a lot of Nazi war criminals went to hide after the war. There he built a secret army / mercenary operation where he has been supplying man-power, and firepower to fuel the ongoing civil unrest, coupes, drug wars, guerilla wars, etc. going on across Latin America.

He is getting filthy rich off the carnage, and is working on his ultimate plot with AIM to build the Cosmic Generator (cosmic cube baby)... Or he is working on a plot to bring his mercenary army to the U.S. and take advantage of the recent military contracting that has been going on (ala Blackwater). Crossbones is posing as a lobbyist / front man for Skulls forces, and smooth talks some congressmen and the Defense Department. It is a ruse to get authority for bringing his operation onto U.S. soil and set up a base, where he can invade DC... or both.

There can be some tie outs with some global terrorist operations (HYDRA or the Ten Rings).

 

[CHEZ]

I would like to see Skull as hiding out in S. America, where a lot of Nazi war criminals went to hide after the war. There he built a secret army / mercenary operation where he has been supplying man-power, and firepower to fuel the ongoing civil unrest, coupes, drug wars, guerilla wars, etc. going on across Latin America.

He is getting filthy rich off the carnage, and is working on his ultimate plot with AIM to build the Cosmic Generator (cosmic cube baby)... Or he is working on a plot to bring his mercenary army to the U.S. and take advantage of the recent military contracting that has been going on (ala Blackwater). Crossbones is posing as a lobbyist / front man for Skulls forces, and smooth talks some congressmen and the Defense Department. It is a ruse to get authority for bringing his operation onto U.S. soil and set up a base, where he can invade DC... or both.

There can be some tie outs with some global terrorist operations (HYDRA or the Ten Rings).

Are you suggesting this idea take place in the present day?
Or directly after the war while Steve Rogers is still frozen in the Arctic?

 

[sabetoonth]

I would like to see Skull as hiding out in S. America, where a lot of Nazi war criminals went to hide after the war. There he built a secret army / mercenary operation where he has been supplying man-power, and firepower to fuel the ongoing civil unrest, coupes, drug wars, guerilla wars, etc. going on across Latin America.

He is getting filthy rich off the carnage, and is working on his ultimate plot with AIM to build the Cosmic Generator (cosmic cube baby)... Or he is working on a plot to bring his mercenary army to the U.S. and take advantage of the recent military contracting that has been going on (ala Blackwater). Crossbones is posing as a lobbyist / front man for Skulls forces, and smooth talks some congressmen and the Defense Department. It is a ruse to get authority for bringing his operation onto U.S. soil and set up a base, where he can invade DC... or both.

There can be some tie outs with some global terrorist operations (HYDRA or the Ten Rings).

i thinkk this would take yers and cap would b infroze to stop the unbolded part

 

[protocida]

I'd have Red Skull be accidently frozen after his fight with Captain America, where the hero stops the missile. He's awaken before Cap and creates an new criminal operation with AIM.

 

[sabetoonth]

or founds aim during the war and they find and unfreeze him, or freeze and unfreeze him

 

[CHEZ]

I like that idea of Red Skull being frozen with Cap.

Like, what could be cool and work, is if when Cap is captured and tied to the missile he somehow were to grab hold of the Red Skull just seconds before launch, and then while rocketing through the sky the rocket were to malfunction and they both crashed into the Arctic only to be frozen through time.

 

[Brian Braddock]

It's certainly more plausible than RS being accidentally caught in suspended animation due to a leak of experimental nerve gas let loose by an explosion; just happening to conveniently coincide with Cap accidently getting caught in suspended animation by arctic ice.

Handy that one, wasnt it.

 

[sabetoonth]

yes my american brother

 

[Rich Santoro]

Are you suggesting this idea take place in the present day?
Or directly after the war while Steve Rogers is still frozen in the Arctic?

I guess I am getting ahead of myself... What I have been talking about is for the Avengers, with The Red Skull as a returning villain. So all that talk about hiding out in S. America, and the mercenary army, is in the context of the modern day.

This includes a post that I made earlier, about Skull being a reclusive shut-in, plotting domination.

i thinkk this would take yers and cap would b infroze to stop the unbolded part

I wanted to clarify... again, I was talking about events in the Avengers film. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I would prefer Skull not be frozen or suspended (too much coincidence)... I would like to see him aged into his 90s by the time Cap is thawed out (this would be for the Avengers).

Now...going back to the Cap movie... have Skull be the recipient of the SSS that was stolen from Erskine's lab. He has the skeletal mutation and becomes utterly insane.

He is leading a terrorist group, terrorizing the French country-side. Cap is deployed to intercept Skull's operation and take them out. The American'ized symbolism in his uniform is designed to inspire and counter the fear that Skull has instilled with his operation.

After defeating Skull on the battle field (Skull seemingly disappears), Cap discovers plans to build an army of Nazi super soldiers in a secret facility in the arctic (far North Scandanavia). Cap goes to take the facility out. Once he infiltrates, he sees that the place is the stuff of nightmares. Human experiments, SSS tests gone wrong, mutated and broken test subjects... utterly inhuman and repulsive.

The mad scientist behind it all is Baron Zemo. Skull has escaped from the battle-field and is there to drive Zemo for completion of his experiments and build the Super Army once and for all. Cap sees the horrors of the place, and that Zemo / Skull are close to success (albeit a monsterous success - which would make an army of monstrosities). He knows that he must stop this program and destroy the facility.

He finds the reactor core, or some other thing of that nature... he is then discovered... the heat is on... plenty of action ensues... he destroyes some control panel with a well-aimed shield throw... and a chain reaction causes the place to go up like the 4th of July. He escapes and is hurled by the blast off into the icy cold. Skull and Zemo are seemingly destroyed. Cap trudges on in the artic night, and finally succumbs... falling into a ice crevasse, sliding down into the darkness... being covered over by blowing snow and ice (I hate the idea of riding a missle... and falling into the water, to become frozen). Alternatively, the facility could be a cosmic generator, as a prelude to a later film (Avengers) where the Cosmic Cube is finally manufactured.

Skull actually escaped the facility destruction, and made his way to S. America after the Allies won WWII. There, he goes into hiding, and builds the merc operation that I posted about earlier. He could age slowly due to the super soldier formula that he took, or has underwent additional experiments over the decades... giving him longevity... or he, at long last, manufactures the Cosmic Cube and uses the power to revitalize himself. But all of this is reserved for the Avengers.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Dp...

 

[Webhead2006]

that sounds like a nice way to go.

 

[sabetoonth]

if there were plans to use zemo 1 tht explosion could have welded the mask to his face

 

[Gamma Goliath]

As far as red skull being frozen, I could see red skull being seriously injured by cap in a scuffle. So after cap is gone, his men take him and repair his body as much as possible, but he is still in a seriously critical condition. So they inject him with a type of s.s.s. that would heal his body slowly but surly into perfection, and they cryogenectally freeze him to allow his body to fully heal and keep him from dying from the injuries and from natural causes.
So when he is awakened after news of captain americas return, the serum he was injected with would take full effect and the red skull would live again, but he would he would 100% and more.

 

[Rich Santoro]

if there were plans to use zemo 1 tht explosion could have welded the mask to his face

That would be a good hook for the premise that the mask is stuck.

 

[Webhead2006]

has their been any word if that zemo character is due to show up in the film?

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ Not that I know of... just waxing fanboy.