Official New Avengers Discussion Thread!

[TheCorpulent1]

He's a festive heir to Hell's throne.

 

[Franklin Richards]

GAH!! My eyes!!!

 

[Red Mask]

Heeeeeeeeeere's SATAN CLAUS!

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Man! that outfit has please kick my ass all over it. why in hell (pun intended) would you need a mask being the devil' son.you need a secret ID from demons get outta here with that...hhmmmm didnt think about this till now, though i love Dr strange as the Sorcerer Supreme Daimon would make a pretty cool ass one too.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

isn't Billy Kaplan kinda in training to be the next Sorcerer Supreme?

 

[Mr. Green]

What are you talking about? Besides the pants he looks like the original. His cape isn't on but he is relaxing.


Here he is with his normal level of Darksoul on.

And here he is with full on Darksoul.

And here's a scene where he's acting brash and ill tempered towards Hellcat in devil form.

He was always going off on people. Then he'd be all serene. Kinda Bi-polar.


But what do ya expect from the frakin' Son of Satan?

Damn, Frank, you make a good case. I just never read any classic SoS that had him acting like that.

Great issue, IMO. I have to say, Bachelo is great at drawing crazy looking stuff. ANother thing I really want to say is how great The Hood has been in Dark Reign so far. Loved the ending in this issue involving him as well.

So, overall, once again, Bendis has showed his great storytelling abilities.

I agree man. How freakin' awesome was it when [BLACKOUT]Strange went outside of that Diner and all of a sudden you see the Hood and he's all monstered out with the claws and that crazy tongue? I was like, "oh snap! It's on!" [/BLACKOUT]

Yeah, Bachelo really makes Tan's art look bad. It's just so good!

 

[K.B.]

Al lthe stuff with Bachelo was great then the stuff with tans art was bad (like Doc sitting around and talking to the NA's)

And Spidey being conflicted and his whole "stealing is stealing" was so stupid and I honestly don't see him doing that ughh...

 

[Mr. M]

This may have already been brought up, but will there be any acknowledgement to the fact that Carol Danvers supposedly died?

 

[Spider-Jay420]

Nah. Why would Bendis do that??

No, I'm sure his NA is a little behind Reed's Ms Marvel. Either after the Dr Strange arc, or maybe even the next arc he'll deal with it. These last few issues seem to be taking place in a matter of hours, so Bendis has plenty of time.

 

[bryanss3]

By the time they acknowledge Ms. Marvel's death the war of the marvels will be going on in her book where another Ms. Marvel shows up. they really need to coordinate things like this. She will be back and the death won't even matter. It's kind of like if you're reading NA and hate spider-man and don't know OMD happened and then he unmasks you'll have no idea why thats happening.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I was concerned with the Damon Hellstrom appearence.

First off what happned to his latest look which was only a few months ago in Last Defenders

In this latest NA issue, He look torn from 1996..and Bendis seems to ignore his characterization turning him into a blithering idiot.

He also seems like he's going to be killed off...at the sake of giving cool points to The Hood.

 

[bryanss3]

really Bendis ignoring characterization what a surprise

 

[Mr. M]

Although, I'm all for giving cool points to the Hood. I just wish he were a little less demonic, like when he first started his rise as a power house. How he was a fair, charasmatic leader. The whole "Everybody sleeps in their own beds tonight." - era. Man, he was everywhere! In New Avengers he was setting himself up as a kingpin, in Daredevil he was playing a game with Daredevil and Mr. Fear. I mean, coming from the guy who thrives on the street characters, I love having a street villain be such a bad A__. Now he's the freakin' host of Dormmamu which is all fine and dandy if they just toned it down a little bit. Think...Sylar from heroes. Calm, charming, cool, and 100% cold blooded killer. That's where I think the Hood needs to be. Not God of the Dark Demension.

 

[Anubis]

I'd rather he were still a petty criminal trying to straddle the line between hero and villain instead of thrust into a role as kingpin, which he has no business being in the first place.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I think the HOOD has potential.

I like the character..but he is being forced..and thats the FINE LINE that needs to be watched.

Some aspects of his appearences have been overly dumb. Bendis seems to be trying to much with him.

Some scenes he shows up with the Slug and Dr.Demonicus..others he shows up as some super evil demon run amuk..

Bendis is trying to characterize him in too many ways.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I really wish we could just get some better powers out of him than being invisible as long as he holds his breath and shooting guns. Honestly. The "kingpin of supervillains" being a guy who just shoots guns and hides? Kind of lame. Let him breathe hellfire or something now that he's getting more demonic--anything to make him appear a little bit more worthy of the kingpin title.

 

[masteryoda]

I really wish we could just get some better powers out of him than being invisible as long as he holds his breath and shooting guns. Honestly. The "kingpin of supervillains" being a guy who just shoots guns and hides? Kind of lame. Let him breathe hellfire or something now that he's getting more demonic--anything to make him appear a little bit more worthy of the kingpin title.

Gaining 200 pounds should do it.

 

[bryanss3]

I think the HOOD has potential.

I like the character..but he is being forced..and thats the FINE LINE that needs to be watched.

Some aspects of his appearences have been overly dumb. Bendis seems to be trying to much with him.

Some scenes he shows up with the Slug and Dr.Demonicus..others he shows up as some super evil demon run amuk..

Bendis is trying to characterize him in too many ways.

I totally agree with that. I like his personality which has pretty much been ignored also. In the original mini he was kinda like Peter Parker if he was a criminal that was the point. Now he is the kingpin, but it doesn't fit. for what he is he shouldn't be in the position he's in, he should be someone's new arch enemy. His life was never in solid he was a professional criminal before he was the Hood, he wasn't organized he was pretty much scraping at the bottom. I understand Dormammu is controlling him or what ever, so why of all things would Dormammu tell him to organize the super villains? It just doesn't make sense. I mean when he got his powers he felt invincible, so why would he even want to be in charge of people he knows he can't trust. He'd work alone with a Demon controlling him it doesn't really make sense. With what he is he'd make a great villain for DareDevil or Spider-Man to team up with Dr. Strange to battle or just Dr. Strange alne, but I don't think he works as an Avengers threat, Neither do the Hand honestly IMO.

by the way since he can't take the cloak off does that mean he hasn't showered in a long time?

 

[Mr. M]

See, I like the fact that he became the kingpin of crime. Mostly because of the way he did it. Which is why it worked. He simply said, "okay, the heroes are organized, so we should organize. Here's some upfront cash as good will. Now, anyone involved gets a fair cut and we all work together to accomplish our goals..." Then he beat the crap out of Tigra. Which was fantastic. It showed that he didn't become the Kingpin of Crime because he had the best super powers. He isn't the strongest. That's not the point. The point is that he's smart, generous, and willing to go the distance to get the job done. The other villains followed him because they liked him. Which in my opinion is a loyalty far better than fear. There is always someone more scary. After the New Avengers barely beat them and The Wrecker among others were thrown in jail, The Hood busted everyone out. So now, not only did they think he was fair with the cash, but pretty much offers them a sense of security, which at the given time with the SHRA was not available to the B and C listed villains. It totally fits into his character. Now, he's some huge Demonic being from the Dark Demension and now it becomes about fear, and super power abilities taking away everything I liked from him before. We don't even see how he's taking care of his 'family' like he used to. He just turns into weird creatures. I agree with him being Kingpin. I do not agree with him being Sorcerer Supreme.

And I don't think that walking on air and invisibility is necesarily weak powers. You don't see or hear him coming, and then he blows the back of your head off. Game Over.

 

[THANOSRULES]

He could be the strongest...

Who knows what he is really capable off..especially if he gets Strange's gear.

 

[bryanss3]

See, I like the fact that he became the kingpin of crime. Mostly because of the way he did it. Which is why it worked. He simply said, "okay, the heroes are organized, so we should organize. Here's some upfront cash as good will. Now, anyone involved gets a fair cut and we all work together to accomplish our goals..." Then he beat the crap out of Tigra. Which was fantastic. It showed that he didn't become the Kingpin of Crime because he had the best super powers. He isn't the strongest. That's not the point. The point is that he's smart, generous, and willing to go the distance to get the job done. The other villains followed him because they liked him. Which in my opinion is a loyalty far better than fear. There is always someone more scary. After the New Avengers barely beat them and The Wrecker among others were thrown in jail, The Hood busted everyone out. So now, not only did they think he was fair with the cash, but pretty much offers them a sense of security, which at the given time with the SHRA was not available to the B and C listed villains. It totally fits into his character. Now, he's some huge Demonic being from the Dark Demension and now it becomes about fear, and super power abilities taking away everything I liked from him before. We don't even see how he's taking care of his 'family' like he used to. He just turns into weird creatures. I agree with him being Kingpin. I do not agree with him being Sorcerer Supreme.

And I don't think that walking on air and invisibility is necesarily weak powers. You don't see or hear him coming, and then he blows the back of your head off. Game Over.

I agree with all of those points but when did his personality change from caring only about himself and his family to looking out for all super villains?I really just wished they showed it. i understand how it got there, but it could have been fleshed out more for everyone to see. I really like the character and like where he's at, but it felt forced(as in rushed) which made it feel less natural than it should have. I understand character growth, but he hasn't been the Hood that long and if they showed the character growth to us instead of it happening off panel it would feel more natural.

No villain aspires to join the Masters Of Evil they'd aspire to run it, which is the evil equivalent of a hero aspiring to serve with the Avengers. like I said He is like an evil version of Peter Parker. When he became Spider-Man he never thought he'd get to be an Avenger the heroes he looked up to and eventually he became one. Parker Robbins looked up to super villains. He always thought they were cool and after becoming the Hood he's got to to live the super villain equivalent of Spider-Man becoming an Avenger.

 

[Mr. M]

I agree with all of those points but when did his personality change from caring only about himself and his family to looking out for all super villains?I really just wished they showed it. i understand how it got there, but it could have been fleshed out more for everyone to see. I really like the character and like where he's at, but it felt forced(as in rushed) which made it feel less natural than it should have. I understand character growth, but he hasn't been the Hood that long and if they showed the character growth to us instead of it happening off panel it would feel more natural.

No villain aspires to join the Masters Of Evil they'd aspire to run it, which is the evil equivalent of a hero aspiring to serve with the Avengers. like I said He is like an evil version of Peter Parker. When he became Spider-Man he never thought he'd get to be an Avenger the heroes he looked up to and eventually he became one. Parker Robbins looked up to super villains. He always thought they were cool and after becoming the Hood he's got to to live the super villain equivalent of Spider-Man becoming an Avenger.

Picture this. It's like us Comic Nerds suddenly realizing that Marvel has gone into disarray and that we have the power to create our own dream team. (Bucky, Daredevil, Darwin, Maddrox, Cloak, Dagger, Cable, Echo, and Kate Bishop) - New Marvel Knights yo!). Well, it's a good idea so everyone jumps on board and we get everybody to write the ultimate, perfect continuity, all title cross-over.

Parker Robinson looked around one day, and realized that he had this chance. Crime was on a complete and utter decline. As he would say, "This is bad for business." If anything, he is an opportunist and always has been. He STILL is only looking out for himself, but now he's figured out a way to create his own dream team and be in charge of it. I mean c'mon. Wouldn't you?

I'm in Germany right now, and there is no better country that realizes more what happens when one man with a relatively good idea can accomplish amongst a leaderless group of people. The Hood is a modern day Hitler. He blamed the Super Heroes for their bad success and offered a way to get them back. So they jumped on board. No one else had any idea what to do.

 

[bryanss3]

I agree but I couldn't ever put the Hood and Hitler in the same category. more like a super powered organized crime. Organized crime and genocide are two very different things.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

I really wish we could just get some better powers out of him than being invisible as long as he holds his breath and shooting guns. Honestly. The "kingpin of supervillains" being a guy who just shoots guns and hides? Kind of lame. Let him breathe hellfire or something now that he's getting more demonic--anything to make him appear a little bit more worthy of the kingpin title.

dude needs to go get a good tailor. every KingPin/ Lex luthor/ Norman Osbourne knows you need to find yourself a nice Armani black pinstripe suit with a Hermes hankerchief and a Dolce Golbana tie. come on! Like Luthor said at the end of JLU. "I had to go get into my power suit!" If i was one of those meathead supervillians. i wouldn't take that serious as the kingpin of crime at all. He look like he just left the skate board park with a hood. i would be laughing my ass off at him!
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[bryanss3]

sadly one day we'll have way to many villains and heroes in the marvel U without costumes and then it will look like anyone you could run into on the street wielding power like electro. it's gonna look silly. I mean a person flying looks more natural in a super hero costume than regular clothes. we all know that.