Official Rulk Thread

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

****s and giggles.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

No way, She-Hulk should be the one to end it, especially if Rulk is Samson. Also there has been another mention of Doc Samson missing in the latest Thunderbolts, Penance mentions it.

Well Sue should soften him up and do most of the work then. Her force fields could kill Rulk in no time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

But Sue wouldn't kill anyone. Knowing the healing factors gamma-irradiated bastards tend to have, though, she might risk expanding an inviso-bubble inside his brain.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Yea she could, but Rulk is very strong. Sue feels a kind of pain when others are stong enough to resist for force-fields, Rulk is definetly strong enough that Sue wouldn't even beable to try long enough to kill him, IMO.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

What? Sue could decapitate him in 2 seconds. I agree with Corp that she wouldn't but it's not a matter of her not being able to. Hell, let Rulk endanger Franklin if Val, it'd be a whole diff ballgame.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Well why didn't she do that to Hulk in WWH then? Reed, Johnny, and Ben's lives where in danger, not to mention, the New and Mighty Avengers, plus various other superheroes. I dont really think she could actually do that even if she wanted to, she could do that to the Gray Hulk though.

 

[Omega Red]

Are you talking about who the Rulk is?

If you are, it can't be Fury, Hulk takes place before SI.

But isnt Stark in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D?

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Yes during Hulk and all the way up to SI, he might not be after SI though. Why?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Well why didn't she do that to Hulk in WWH then? Reed, Johnny, and Ben's lives where in danger, not to mention, the New and Mighty Avengers, plus various other superheroes. I dont really think she could actually do that even if she wanted to, she could do that to the Gray Hulk though.

She didn't do it then b/c they wanted that whole thing to end with Hulk vs Sentry.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Yes the writers wanted it to end with Sentry vs. Hulk. It wasn't because she wasn't powerful enough in there minds, thats not how they wanted to end it, your right. But the way I'm making sense of it, is that whether thats what the writers thought or not, threat-wise if Sue was powerful enough she should've done it. And because the writers didn't have her do it and since she's never done it to the Hulk before you can't technically say that she can actually do it, you really can't. If Sue could actually save the day like that but she didn't than that would not be heroic, so to make sense of that and so I dont think Invisible Woman is a coward I'd say she simply can't to it to the Hulk. Seriously if Invisible Woman could actually do that to Hulk, why would she let it get to the point where Strange uses the Power of Zom, and the Sentry uses so much power he could've brought back the Void. But again I get what your saying, thats not the ending they where looking for, but do you see what I'm sayin?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I just don't think we get to see powerful characters do 1/2 of what they should do b/c it doesn't fit the writer's overall story. Just look at what Bendis has done to Strange and Sentry. Sentry especially, considering he was portrayed at Superman levels in his mini a year or so ago. And now he gets beaten by peons.

Find a writer who has a hardon for Sue and I'm sure you'll see her do some amazing things. It works in the opposite direction as well unfortunately. Carey is in love with Rogue and had her doing the most ridiculous s**t when he was writing X-Men

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

See with the Sentry compared to Invisible Woman is that we DO know that Sentry HAS the power but lacks the confidence and skill to use them to their fullest. Sentry would be the type of character that would sit by and cry and let heroes get their asses handed to them eventhough he knows he could do something about it, so their is an explination for why Sentry doesn't just end **** sometimes. Sue's not like that, if Sue has the ability to stop some suffering she's not gonna be like the Sentry and hold back cause she has issues. What I'm saying is that if we've never seen her do it and until we see her do it, than my statement cant be wrong, it really doesn't matter what you say about writers or anything else. Sure some writer could come along and have a hard-on for Sue, have her pop the Hulks head a kill him, but their will be fans that would say the writer was an idiot who doen't know his ****, some people like you would say it's perfectly okay. Their is always somebody who gonna think something in comics is B/S.


I see it a certain way, I'm not explaining it exactly right, and I'm not trying to change your mind so if you don't see what I'm saying oh well. But I just dont think Sue could actually do that to Hulk at his strongest (WWH). In WWH, that situation was a time that Sue should've done something like that. Again I know thats not the ending they wanted, and I know that comics aren't real. But we take them serious as fans, put the writers aside for a sec. Lets say the MU was real, and WWH really happened, if Sue didn't do that its because she couldn't do it. Thats how I make sense of it, these characters are supposed to be realistic and when something happens in a comic it becomes part of that person character.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

This is from Wikipedia, about Doc Samson's personality in Thunderbolts.

"While attacking the Thunderbolts, the telepath Mirage noted that Doc Samson, who was present in Thunderbolts Mountain, had some fascinating thoughts. In his mind she saw that, while his mental reactions to Norman Osborn and Moonstone were Hulk-like, he was still able to control himself from physically acting on those impulses."

This is when Doc Samson has short hair which means this is after WWH and before HULK. I need to go back a reread that arc, but how did anybody miss that. Thats what I've been saying about Samson, that he has a Monster lurking indide him too. This is more evidence that Samson could be the Rulk, I'm probably wrong but the more and more I look at everything, it allpoints to Samson. See Samson's Hulk-like reactions are towards "bad people" so when he's Rulk he probably see's himself as a hero. The power is probably just overwhelming and has gotten to Samson, he is basically drunk with power when he Rulk's out

 

[Eros]

This is from Wikipedia, about Doc Samson's personality in Thunderbolts.

"While attacking the Thunderbolts, the telepath Mirage noted that Doc Samson, who was present in Thunderbolts Mountain, had some fascinating thoughts. In his mind she saw that, while his mental reactions to Norman Osborn and Moonstone were Hulk-like, he was still able to control himself from physically acting on those impulses."

This is when Doc Samson has short hair which means this is after WWH and before HULK. I need to go back a reread that arc, but how did anybody miss that. Thats what I've been saying about Samson, that he has a Monster lurking indide him too. This is more evidence that Samson could be the Rulk, I'm probably wrong but the more and more I look at everything, it allpoints to Samson. See Samson's Hulk-like reactions are towards "bad people" so when he's Rulk he probably see's himself as a hero. The power is probably just overwhelming and has gotten to Samson, he is basically drunk with power when he Rulk's out

The samson observations in thunderbolts, were merely Warren Ellis trying to break down the Physcological difference between Samson and other gamma spawned monsters like Hulk. The point was to say Samson despite his rather Hulk like impulses, was able to control them, while samson expereinces the same type of feral emotions and rages like Hulk, he is able to hold his compusure, which is the fundamental difference between Hulk and Samson. It was usual versey interesting Warren ellis character analaysis, nothing else IMO.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Yea Samson controls his Hulk like impulses, but Doc has now lost control he has now given into his impulses as the Red Hulk.

Gamma ray's effect on the human mind. The Outer form gives you insight into their inner selves. Ex - Hulk is an expression of Bruce Banner's Rage. Samson's relates to his love for heroes, Abomination see's himself as an ugly on the inside, unworthy of love, affection and companionship. She-Hulk represent Jen's confidence in being a strong woman that can do anything a man can and better.

Another little thing I noticed Samson's other primary color is Red.

 

[Eros]

Yea Samson controls his Hulk like impulses, but Doc has now lost control he has now given into his impulses as the Red Hulk.

Gamma ray's effect on the human mind. The Outer form gives you insight into their inner selves. Ex - Hulk is an expression of Bruce Banner's Rage. Samson's relates to his love for heroes, Abomination see's himself as an ugly on the inside, unworthy of love, affection and companionship. She-Hulk represent Jen's confidence in being a strong woman that can do anything a man can and better.

Another little thing I noticed Samson's other primary color is Red.

Plese god tell me you don't see that as a "clue".

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Not a clue, just an observation. It is very coincedential though.

 

[Mr. Green]

#8 wasn't too bad. I'm actually kinda digging the classic feel of the Green Hulk stories and the Rulk story is pretty cool as well. My only complaint is how fast the stories go by.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Well it's really only 2 half stories so it should move fast. The quicker we get to issue12 the better. I'm guessing we should find out Rulks identity no later than then. Each story ends up being 3 issues long.

 

[Mr. Green]

We should find out next issue and no later than #10 since She-Hulk and her "Lady Liberators" are supposedly going to beat Rulk next issue. The story arc concludes and the cover makes it look like She-Hulk wins so we SHOULD find out.

And did you see what an ass Sentry was? [blackout]He was like, "You have to leave the populated area!" Meanwhile, Hulk was on his way outta there anyway and then Sentry knocks him into that space needle (I think it's called the "Top of the World" or something) and continues doing tons of damage. What an idiot.[/blackout]

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

I wonder if we'll see Rick, Clay, Samson, or Ross?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Moar Rick please!

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

We should find out next issue and no later than #10 since She-Hulk and her "Lady Liberators" are supposedly going to beat Rulk next issue. The story arc concludes and the cover makes it look like She-Hulk wins so we SHOULD find out.

And did you see what an ass Sentry was? [blackout]He was like, "You have to leave the populated area!" Meanwhile, Hulk was on his way outta there anyway and then Sentry knocks him into that space needle (I think it's called the "Top of the World" or something) and continues doing tons of damage. What an idiot.[/blackout]

It's called the Stratosphere Hotel & Casino. Yea Sentry tends to make those kinda of mistakes, he lost all of his experience after everything happened to him with Mastermind and the General. Ironman has basically said that Sentry is pretty much a rookie when it comes to experience. That is why Sentry is on the Mighty Avengers in the first place so they can keep an eye on him and help him grow.

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Moar Rick please!

I hope we get to see all of them after this arc is over.

 

[Omega Red]

Yes during Hulk and all the way up to SI, he might not be after SI though. Why?

Well I was ust thinking it had o be Nick Fury

1. Loves guns
2. Has a S.H.I.E.L.D file
3. Rulk has that funny eye
4. And Fury is looking to get his job back.

But if you say it can be. You may be right