Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - - - - Part 14

[Pink Ranger]

I am slightly surprised that we are only talking about the five armies cited in the book- but I suppose a few extra platoons of Hobbits on steam powered motorcycles can be added in post.

Get out of my head!

 

[Marvolo]

Anyone else concerned by this:

When we did the premiere trip late last year, I had a quiet conversation with the studio about the idea of revisiting the title. We decided to keep an open mind until a cut of the film was ready to look at. We reached that point last week, and after viewing the movie, we all agreed there is now one title that feels completely appropriate.

I really dont want this movie to be nothing but mind numbing desensitizing fighting for 3 hours. ROTK turned into that and by the end I was just numb to the whole spectacle and bored.

 

[sueb1863]

I don't like there being two 'thes' in it. I'd prefer The Battle of Five Armies or Battle of the Five Armies. It's at least a bit easier to say. The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies seems sort of long and clunky.

I've already resigned myself to it being three hours of fantasy violence, or at least two. The nice little story about an unlikely hero finding his courage has been long drowned out under all the noise and CGI.

 

[regwec]

And Dwarf/Elf sex.

 

[Victarion]

I had a hard time keeping a straight face when that aura surrounded Tauriel.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The finale reminded of a Nolan in film in how the three disparate set pieces were cross cut on top of one another, building to a breathtaking climax. Except it was a breathtaking blunder, and a college level lesson in how not to cleave a great scene by juxtaposing it with an awful one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Imagine if Jackson got to pick the title for the 3 LotR films.

The Unexpected Fellowship
The Desolation of Gollum, Theoden, and Frodo
The Battle of the Four Armies on the Pelennor Fields

 

[AnneFan]

Disappointing news. I really liked the title 'There and Back Again' - it is primarily a Hobbit's tale. It gelled well with 'An Unexpected Journey'. Oh well.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

it is primarily a Hobbit's tale

The Hobbit struggled for relevancy in the Desolation of Smaug.

 

[AnneFan]

The Hobbit struggled for relevancy in the Desolation of Smaug.

Agreed. I'm not the biggest fan of these films. I would have approached them differently.

 

[Vartha]

NICE! Glad we have a title!

Film 3 is officially titled;

THE HOBBIT: THE BATTLE OF THE FIVE ARMIES

Inside Information...

Our journey to make The Hobbit Trilogy has been in some ways like Bilbo's own, with hidden paths revealing their secrets to us as we've gone along. “There and Back Again” felt like the right name for the second of a two film telling of the quest to reclaim Erebor, when Bilbo’s arrival there, and departure, were both contained within the second film. But with three movies, it suddenly felt misplaced—after all, Bilbo has already arrived “there” in the "Desolation of Smaug".

When we did the premiere trip late last year, I had a quiet conversation with the studio about the idea of revisiting the title. We decided to keep an open mind until a cut of the film was ready to look at. We reached that point last week, and after viewing the movie, we all agreed there is now one title that feels completely appropriate.

And so: "The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies" it is.

As Professor Tolkien intended, “There and Back Again” encompasses Bilbo’s entire adventure, so don’t be surprised if you see it used on a future box-set of all three movies.

Before then however, we have a film to finish, and much to share with you. It’s been a nice quiet time for us—Jabez and I happily editing away in a dark cave in Wellington—but those halcyon days are quickly coming to an end. It will soon be time to step into the light. Expect to see and hear much about The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies in the coming months.

And there’s also The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Extended Cut, which we’re in the process of finishing, with over 25 mins of new scenes, all scored with original music composed by Howard Shore.

It’ll be a fun year!

Source = Peter Jackson's official Facebook.

 

[Brother Jack]

I don't see what the problem was with "There and Back Again". It's a direct reference to the text and has a closer connotation to Bilbo himself, who is the character these are apparently supposed to be about. This new title makes me think that the sidelining of Bible as the main character will continue in part three. It also strikes me as another example of poor planning and indecision on Jackson's part.

 

[Boom]

I don't see what the problem was with "There and Back Again". It's a direct reference to the text and has a closer connotation to Bilbo himself, who is the character these are apparently supposed to be about. This new title makes me think that the sidelining of Bible as the main character will continue in part three. It also strikes me as another example of poor planning and indecision on Jackson's part.

You put this more perfectly than I ever could. I'm not happy about this. At all.

Here's hoping we get a more faithful Hobbit adaptation before I'm dead .

 

[AnneFan]

Well said, Happy Jack. It's like calling ROTK 'The Battle of Pelennor Fields'.

 

[titansupes]

I feel like this is purely a revenue raising move. They think the more action oriented title will get more asses in seats than the old one.

 

[jmc]

Were there not chapter titles in the book that could have been used?

 

[regwec]

You put this more perfectly than I ever could. I'm not happy about this. At all.

Here's hoping we get a more faithful Hobbit adaptation before I'm dead .

I would be interested to see another approach to Middle Earth in general. No disrespect to PJ's achievement in bringing a massive vision to screen with LOTR, but I would like to see a Middle Earth that isn't filled with barren New Zealand fields. I would like to see Elves who don't surf or use katana, an Aragorn who isn't a *****, and a more nuanced visual motif than good = white and girly, bad = black and growly.

But, of course, everyone who knows the material will have their own preferences.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

What do viewers who believe Bilbo to be borderline irrelevant actually want from him?

I saw this complaint here and on IMDb.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I would be interested to see another approach to Middle Earth in general. No disrespect to PJ's achievement in bringing a massive vision to screen with LOTR, but I would like to see a Middle Earth that isn't filled with barren New Zealand fields. I would like to see Elves who don't surf or use katana, an Aragorn who isn't a *****, and a more nuanced visual motif than good = white and girly, bad = black and growly.

But, of course, everyone who knows the material will have their own preferences.

Video game developers may grant your wish using cinematic cut-scenes.

 

[Drizzle]

What do viewers who believe Bilbo to be borderline irrelevant actually want from him?

I saw this complaint here and on IMDb.

I'm wondering about this myself. So far, everything Bilbo has done has been faithful to the book. Yes, the fact that they added extra plot lines does take some time away from Bilbo, but (so far) he still does the same important things that he's done in the book. After all, the most memorable scenes from these movies have revolved around him (Riddles in the Dark, his encounter with Smaug). But to be honest, this is also Thorin's story almost as much as it is Bilbo's.

 

[Quasimod0]

Makes sense for it to be just as much Thorin's story as Bilbo's. I always think of it like Bilbo is just along for the ride with this band of dwarves and the story is mainly about them.

 

[Eggyman]

Will we see Lady G rip down the walls?

 

[Pink Ranger]

You put this more perfectly than I ever could. I'm not happy about this. At all.

Here's hoping we get a more faithful Hobbit adaptation before I'm dead .

The animated film still holds up fairly well in that regard, I think.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I'm wondering about this myself. So far, everything Bilbo has done has been faithful to the book. Yes, the fact that they added extra plot lines does take some time away from Bilbo, but (so far) he still does the same important things that he's done in the book. After all, the most memorable scenes from these movies have revolved around him (Riddles in the Dark, his encounter with Smaug). But to be honest, this is also Thorin's story almost as much as it is Bilbo's.

Agreed.

I'll admit the spider scene served little purpose other than to give "Sting" its name, and introduce the woodland elves in an intense manner. We may ignore Bilbo's actions there to focus on plot relevance.

He saved the dwarves from the Mirkwood fortress. That action carries repercussions in this film and well into the next. It's a big deal.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Although I am curious to see how they will alter Bilbo's role in the big battle (and I am almost 100% certain they will).