Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - Part 16

[craigdbfan]

I thought Dain was played by an actor? Was he also replaced by an entirely CGI model?

 

[regwec]

Apparently so.

 

[Marvolo]

I thought Dain was played by an actor? Was he also replaced by an entirely CGI model?

He was played by Billy Connolly, but in the Theatrical cut the character is essentially a cameo. It seems that all that is left of him in the Theatrical Cut is him in battle on his war pig. Jackson apparently chose to use a cgi Dain on the war pig rather than composite Billy Connolly atop the cgi pig. The reviews say that Jackson kept Billy Connolly's voice. He rides around shouting obscenities (not sure what kind) while he kills orcs.

Hopefully in the Extended Edition we will get some non-cgi Dain scenes. In the TC the character doesn't even get any resolution. We see him in battle but never see him again. Not even after the battle.

 

[craigdbfan]

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that...

 

[Marvolo]

Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that...

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Yeah, I guess in Jackson's mind, his very wrong mind, who gets to claim Erebor doesn't matter in the end. It's only the thing that this entire ****ing trilogy revolves around. It's the thing in this trilogy that spurs Gandalf to make contact with Thorin. It's the motive of the whole quest in the trilogy. All Jackson seems to care about now is the Sauron plot line and his attack on Erebor, and once that's "wrapped" up at the end he just rushes to role credits.

 

[redhawk23]

Nobody's being disrespectful tho Reg. If Chris would just take the money the estate has gathered thus far and make his Own films MANY of us would totally be on board.
For NOW tho, those of us who love the books AND films (including the Bakshi films) LOVE the merch that comes with those stories, it's more like HONORING a Master than defiling his name.

Why do any films HAVE to be made?

People act like its a great shame that there aren't any Children of Hurin lunhboxes available.

 

[redhawk23]

Loveless movies?

I'd say that perfectly describes this latest set of films.

They were made primarily to maintain a country's economy.

Jackson never intended to make these films himself but he did so because otherwise they wouldn't be made and a lot of people, within his own companies and elsewhere had a lot riding on them being made.

 

[I Am The Knight]

He rides around shouting obscenities (not sure what kind) while he kills orcs.

I have to see this.

 

[Quasimod0]

I'd say that perfectly describes this latest set of films.

They were made primarily to maintain a country's economy.

Jackson never intended to make these films himself but he did so because otherwise they wouldn't be made and a lot of people, within his own companies and elsewhere had a lot riding on them being made.

Del Toro was already working on pre-production. But since the movie didn't have the green light yet, Del Toro had to drop out eventually. Jackson signing on to direct gave the movie company, or whoever, the faith to officially green light the picture.
I don't see how you could look at all the passion poured into making these films and say that they are loveless affairs.

 

[redhawk23]

Del Toro was already working on pre-production. But since the movie didn't have the green light yet, Del Toro had to drop out eventually. Jackson signing on to direct gave the movie company, or whoever, the faith to officially green light the picture.
I don't see how you could look at all the passion poured into making these films and say that they are loveless affairs.

Exactly my point. Jackson only directed the film, after saying numerous times that he did not want to, out of obligation as the whole project would have come to a halt had he not.

 

[Octoberist]

It's a situation where he was forced into it, but then found enjoyable out if accidentally.

 

[regwec]

I don't think that is an emotional state incompatible with loveless-ness.

 

[Octoberist]

He was played by Billy Connolly, but in the Theatrical cut the character is essentially a cameo. It seems that all that is left of him in the Theatrical Cut is him in battle on his war pig. Jackson apparently chose to use a cgi Dain on the war pig rather than composite Billy Connolly atop the cgi pig. The reviews say that Jackson kept Billy Connolly's voice. He rides around shouting obscenities (not sure what kind) while he kills orcs.

Hopefully in the Extended Edition we will get some non-cgi Dain scenes. In the TC the character doesn't even get any resolution. We see him in battle but never see him again. Not even after the battle.

That's pretty stupid.

 

[Silvermoon]

Short little snippet of Bard vs. Smaug:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=763462327022708

(youtube version)

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wow. Bard doesn't look like he is standing around anything concrete. The greenscreen is so damn blatant.

 

[ares834]

I actually know one person who prefers the design of cgi Bolg to this more practical Bolg. Showed a friend of mine the original Bolg (remember the behind the scenes photo of him?) and I **** you not his words were "That looks ****ing ******ed. Glad they changed it." I asked him what he didn't like about it and he said it was just "too much". The mace, the metal, the giant bones, the hair etc. was all just too much. I may have to see what he thinks of the design within the film and properly lit.

I am the same way. Thought the costume just had way too much going on. But, I'll admit, he looks frickin' brutal in that one pic. If that is how he was going to look on screen, I'd greatly prefer that.

 

[DKDetective]

That was my argument as well. The estate has the leverage to require any film be done with the collaboration of the estate to ensure the scripts are true to Tolkien's vision. So why wouldnt they sell? The answer to that question right now seems to be Chris Tolkien. But another member brought up a good point: if the estate is a Trust then multiple people make decisions and Chris Tolkien cant keep the rights from being sold by himself. And the copyright is up this century apparently. So there is hope. We just have to be patient.

All estates are trusts and you can have estates with single trustees and I believe Christopher is the sole literary trustee with the estate's lawyer serving as a co-trustee with strictly administrative duties. Unless you are thinking of The Tolkien Trust, which is a charity run by the Tolkien Family, which is a whole other ball game.

 

[Vartha]

Forgot to post this yesterday. picked it up at Walmart for $5

 

[regwec]

What is it?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

A poster.

 

[Vartha]

a poster for Five Armies. There's a Wrap around TEE from Weta like it too my kids are getting me for Christmas. (I hope) lol

 

[Vartha]

Why do any films HAVE to be made?

People act like its a great shame that there aren't any Children of Hurin lunhboxes available.

...because I love film....no, it's not a great reason but still.
As for the lunch boxes, I'm surprised there aren't any lol

 

[Marvolo]

Royd Tolkien Holds ALS Fundraiser with Exclusive Screening of BTFA in Wales.

Tonight in the heart of Wales a very special event happened that brought together the family scions of Tolkien while also raising money for ALS; which by way of the viral Ice Bucket Challenge became one of the notable internet phenomena of 2014. Motor Neurone Disease touches closely on the family, as Royd Tolkien’s brother Mike struggles with its effects.


The ALS fundraiser was arranged with the kind cooperation of Warner Bros. who granted Royd Tolkien the chance to have an early screening of The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, prior to its general release. Crowds gathered at Clwyd Theatr Cymru in Mold, North Wales, for a fantastic benefit screening filled with merriment, excited fans, and a splendiferous silent auction filled with donated items.

Tonight’s event raised money for local support and treatment centres that have helped him and others like him, and to raise awareness for Motor Neurone Disease.

It was an invite only event that brought actors, community leaders, and luminaries from across the U.K., and surely they were excited to see BOTFA before anyone else! In an exclusive chat, Royd tells us that:

“I’ve had some amazing people and companies supporting this and everyone will be taking home a goody bag with chocolate from NZ company Whittaker’s, socks from NZ company Ice Breaker, pens from Air NZ, postcards from Harper Collins and other fab stuff. I’m also having a silent auction of items like a signed guitar from Ed Sheeran, signed items from Ian McKellen, Harper Collins books and other items from Tourism NZ, Weta, Peter Jackson etc.”

Royd Tolkien, great grandson of J.R.R Tolkien, who grew up in the area and has organised the day, commented, “My brother, Mike, has Motor Neurone Disease and the support and treatment he’s received from local centres has been outstanding. This is a great way of helping them raise vital funds to reach out and help other people in need as they have done so perfectly with Mike.”

Royd will be joined by other members of his family as well as a few special guests and representatives from the Neuro Centre in Saltney, Nightingale House Hospice in Wrexham and the Motor Neurone Disease Association.

Read more including the full press release and see Mike and Royd's ice bucket challenge video at the link:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/201...ser-advance-screening-of-botfa-wows-in-wales/

Look at that awful film and WB tarnishing Tolkien's legacy!

Spoiler

Obviously Im joking. That was very nice of WB to allow Royd to screen the film. Hope there were a lot of good donations!

Its nice knowing that at least a few people in the Tolkien family don't consider the films to be a legacy destroying blight.

And New Extended Laketown Clip:

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[regwec]

I recommend this short piece on The Hobbit, its language and its political fan base: it's quite perceptive and the author seems to agree with most of us here.

Look at that awful film and WB tarnishing Tolkien's legacy!

This is the kind of tedious, wilful misrepresentation that is undeserving of a fuller response.

 

[Silvermoon]

And New Extended Laketown Clip:

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Nice t: I can't wait until next week (well, next Saturday to be specific - stinkin' work, I have to wait until the weekend to see it )