Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - Part 16

[Tacit Ronin]

RT is owned by WB. LOLgenda.

 

[ThePhantasm]

They are having a meltdown because they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they aren't disappointed. The same thing happened to a lot of Star Wars fans when the prequels came out.

 

[Vartha]

Am I the only one that enjoys the Hobbit films? I also haven't read the book either but I don't really care to. So I enjoy the movies just fine, it seems mostly everyone in here read the book and loved it but hates the movies haha. Oh well but seriously does anyone else enjoy them like I do?

I've loved them Broseph, and I don't hold grudges for those who don't. I'm more curious what the hardcore Tolkien fans think.
I love talking to Regwec for example. I learn something new just about every time talking to him.

 

[Boom]

Regwec and I need to meet up and discuss Tolkien and Batman over twenty four beers.

 

[Vartha]

Regwec and I need to meet up and discuss Tolkien and Batman over twenty four beers.

I'd love to join that conversation lol

 

[Octoberist]

They are having a meltdown because they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they aren't disappointed. The same thing happened to a lot of Star Wars fans when the prequels came out.

It IS the Star Ware PREQUELS rebooted!

Sweet karma!

 

[Boom]

They are having a meltdown because they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they aren't disappointed. The same thing happened to a lot of Star Wars fans when the prequels came out.

They're falling victim to the same hypocrisy that surrounds any franchise fanbase.

If you say, "The Lord of the Rings is terrible," I guarantee that they'd be quick to whip out the critical acclaim and Academy Awards as a swift means of proving that wrong.

Fast-forward a decade, and we've got:

"The Academy is out of touch!"
"The critics are biased!"
"Reviews mean nothing!"

We want our interests to be validated by a perceived majority, and by people/organizations of perceived influence. That's why critics are your best friend when they praise a movie you like, and they're your worst enemy when they don't. You see it all the time on these boards especially. Some TDK fans point to RT as "proof" that it is the best superhero film ever made, and then the critics who reviewed TDKR negatively got death threats.

This trilogy has received a mixed reception from critics. Simple as that. It's more of a matter of accepting that and worrying more about your own opinion than it is a matter of making sweeping generalizations about critical evaluation when it doesn't align with your own thoughts.

 

[Vartha]

They are having a meltdown because they are desperately trying to convince themselves that they aren't disappointed. The same thing happened to a lot of Star Wars fans when the prequels came out.

Yeah my little bro was one of them. lol I'm not as big a SW fan than I am the Hobbit and LotR media. I wish he could have seen this last film, I really wanted to know what he thought of the 3 in their entirety.

 

[Marvolo]

Am I the only one that enjoys the Hobbit films? I also haven't read the book either but I don't really care to. So I enjoy the movies just fine, it seems mostly everyone in here read the book and loved it but hates the movies haha. Oh well but seriously does anyone else enjoy them like I do?

I enjoy them.They arent on the same level as the LOTR films but I still enjoy them. But I dont hold the book up on a pedestal or have an ounce of nostalgia for it. It was never read to me as a child and I didnt read it all the way through until early last year. So thats likely why the films dont bother me.

That being said,

I would love for DreamWorks or Pixar or Disney animation to do a straight one film adaption. Frankly I dont think the story was meant for live action. I see a lot of animation potential, and I dont mean that its not worthy of live action. I just mean that The Hobbit, even tho it technically occupies the same world as LOTR its not quite the same. Its a bit more whimsical. Its Middle Earth as I think a young child might see it. Sure there are scary spiders and monstrous trolls, but the place isn't the dark world of LOTR and the story doesnt belong in the same world of the live action LOTR that Jackson created. I dont fault Jackson for going for a somewhat consistent look and setting it in his Middle Earth since he was directing, but The Hobbit doesnt belong in that world. The story needed a different art direction, design, and look. When Del Toro left and Jackson took over the option of that went wwith Del Toro and I came to terms with that. But in the future Id love love love for a single film Hobbit cartoon. Imo the story could really shine and the world of the Hobbit could be done brilliantly in animation and itd be something children could really enjoy, and I think thats what Tolkien would want.

 

[Octoberist]

I feel like the best adaptation if the cartoon movie from the 70's.

 

[Boom]

I'd love a live-action mini-series down the road. Ian McKellen himself suggested that with a proper budget, a television adaptation naturally lends instead toward the episodic nature of the book. And he's absolutely right. All of the discussion and fret over where the best natural split in the narrative would be for a two-film adaptation becomes null and void.

Hell, imagine a Lord of the Rings series on HBO with the same production value as Game of Thrones. Six books, six seasons. HOURS of footage. Literally multiple-days' worth.

 

[Vartha]

I enjoy them.They arent on the same level as the LOTR films but I still enjoy them. But I dont hold the book up on a pedestal or have an ounce of nostalgia for it. It was never read to me as a child and I didnt read it all the way through until early last year. So thats likely why the films dont bother me.

That being said,

I would love for DreamWorks or Pixar or Disney animation to do a straight one film adaption. Frankly I dont think the story was meant for live action. I see a lot of animation potential, and I dont mean that its not worthy of live action. I just mean that The Hobbit, even tho it technically occupies the same world as LOTR its not quite the same. Its a bit more whimsical. Its Middle Earth as I think a young child might see it. Sure there are scary spiders and monstrous trolls, but the place isn't the dark world of LOTR and the story doesnt belong in the same world of the live action LOTR that Jackson created. I dont fault Jackson for going for a somewhat consistent look and setting it in his Middle Earth since he was directing, but The Hobbit doesnt belong in that world. The story needed a different art direction, design, and look. When Del Toro left and Jackson took over the option of that went wwith Del Toro and I came to terms with that. But in the future Id love love love for a single film Hobbit cartoon. Imo the story could really shine and the world of the Hobbit could be done brilliantly in animation and itd be something children could really enjoy, and I think thats what Tolkien would want.

That would be a cool idea! I can totally see that.

 

[Vartha]

I feel like the best adaptation if the cartoon movie from the 70's.

I remember seeing them on the screen back then. Went with one of my close lady friends back then. It was her idea too. lol

 

[Leenie]

Honestly, after the LOTR Trilogy, I am very satisfied as a fan. I don't feel the need to have an HBO series. The extended cuts of the three films in particular make me a very happy fan. I don't need any more.

The Hobbit movies, however ... They are totally in the same league as the Star Wars prequels. No ifs, ands, or buts about it in my opinion. Even down to the special effects, it's just as bad as the SW prequels. We had these scary and wonderful looking practical effects with the Orcs, Goblins, and Uruk-hai in the LOTR movies, and now we have crappy CGI in the Hobbit movies. I understand the use of CGI with a lot of the things in Middle Earth, but EVERYTHING? No. I'm not happy about it. My heart sank when I saw how bad the goblins looked in the first Hobbit movie. I had no idea they were going to be CGI until I was in the movie theater. Le sigh.

I'll just stick with the 1970s cartoon. I watched it recently after about 10 years of not having seen it. It still holds up, man. If the Tolkien fans had just gotten ONE, 3-hour film like this with The Hobbit, then Peter Jackson would have had a perfect series of movies.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I remember seeing them on the screen back then. Went with one of my close lady friends back then. It was her idea too. lol

I expect it had with a happy ending?

 

[Boom]

Honestly, after the LOTR Trilogy, I am very satisfied as a fan. I don't feel the need to have an HBO series. The extended cuts of the three films in particular make me a very happy fan. I don't need any more.

The Hobbit movies, however ... They are totally in the same league as the Star Wars prequels. No ifs, ands, or buts about it in my opinion. Even down to the special effects, it's just as bad as the SW prequels. We had these scary and wonderful looking practical effects with the Orcs, Goblins, and Uruk-hai in the LOTR movies, and now we have crappy CGI in the Hobbit movies. I understand the use of CGI with a lot of the things in Middle Earth, but EVERYTHING? No. I'm not happy about it. My heart sank when I saw how bad the goblins looked in the first Hobbit movie. I had no idea they were going to be CGI until I was in the movie theater. Le sigh.

I'll just stick with the 1970s cartoon. I watched it recently after about 10 years of not having seen it. It still holds up, man. If the Tolkien fans had just gotten ONE, 3-hour film like this with The Hobbit, then Peter Jackson would have had a perfect series of movies.

It is a simple philosophy. The less CG shots a film has, the more time and resources can be spent on those shots. When damn near every shot of a three-hour movie is digitally altered or augmented in some way, and your indecisive director is making major changes mere weeks before the film is due, you're going to end up with some **** results.

Hell, the Balrog in FotR (eleven years ago!) pisses all over most of what I have seen in this trilogy. Talk about near-flawless execution, both in design and render.

 

[Vartha]

I expect it had with a happy ending?

lol We were and still are close friends. We had alot in common but went different ways. I went out east to art school, she stayed in the Chicago area

 

[Octoberist]

BTW, I was going to post this in 'What's the gonna take over for The Hobbit, etc' thread…

I'm halfway done with 'The Wheel of Time: Eye of the World', thinking that WoT could maybe be the next fantasy series that Hollywood can do next.

I'm gonna say this: EotW is so derivative of 'Tolken' that I felt almost uncomfortable as I read it. I know that Tolken' casts a long shadow over fantasy, but here, its so blatantly ripping off 'Lord of the Rings'. I heard that by book 4, it becomes it's own, but I don't know if I can handle any more 800 overwritten novels from this series.

 

[Vartha]

It is a simple philosophy. The less CG shots a film has, the more time and resources can be spent on those shots. When damn near every shot of a three-hour movie is digitally altered or augmented in some way, and your indecisive director is making major changes mere weeks before the film is due, you're going to end up with some **** results.

Hell, the Balrog in FotR (eleven years ago!) pisses all over most of what I have seen in this trilogy. Talk about near-flawless execution, both in design and render.

Personally, if he would have stuck with just adding the Appendices and nothing NEW it would have probably pleased everyone.

I still love the films. I just wish it were planned out more.

 

[Vartha]

alot of us think Elric should be done

BTW, I was going to post this in 'What's the gonna take over for The Hobbit, etc' thread…

I'm halfway done with 'The Wheel of Time: Eye of the World', thinking that WoT could maybe be the next fantasy series that Hollywood can do next.

I'm gonna say this: EotW is so derivative of 'Tolken' that I felt almost uncomfortable as I read it. I know that Tolken' casts a long shadow over fantasy, but here, its so blatantly ripping off 'Lord of the Rings'. I heard that by book 4, it becomes it's own, but I don't know if I can handle any more 800 overwritten novels from this series.

 

[Octoberist]

So far, Wheel of Time isn't the way to go, I'm afraid. No wonder it doesn't get enough press. It's like a wallflower leaning against the high fantasy wall.

 

[Marvolo]

Who's Eric?

 

[Doc Ock]

Am I the only one that enjoys the Hobbit films? I also haven't read the book either but I don't really care to. So I enjoy the movies just fine, it seems mostly everyone in here read the book and loved it but hates the movies haha. Oh well but seriously does anyone else enjoy them like I do?

Oh I definitely enjoyed them, saw the first in theaters and it was one of my most enjoyable times in the theater in a long time. I missed the second in theaters but plan to see the third sometime this month or next. I've bought the theatrical and extended editions on day one, and I've read the book! I do understand the complaints and have a few of my own. The LOTR films are definitely better, but Peter Jackson is no George Lucas. I mean that in a positive way. Pete did prequels right, er I mean better at least than Georgie boy did.

TheOneRing is in full meltdown mode. The "agenda" talk regarding the RT score has already started.

I'm sure this makes me an *******, but I'm quite amused by how worked-up they all are over there. Funny to me that three years ago they were singing out joyously over Del Toro's departure and Jackson's subsequent return. And here we are now.

Are they Tolkien fans or just a bunch of teen fangirls/fanboys? Not trying to be insulting as I've thought about joining there myself but if its like the tumblr/twitter people I've come across I don't know if its a good idea.

Regwec and I need to meet up and discuss Tolkien and Batman over twenty four beers.

You two are awesome I'd love to listen to that conversation! There are many posters on the Hype I like even when I disagree with them. Wouldn't be fun if we were all the same!

 

[Vartha]

Who's Eric?

ELRIC there's an "L" there


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melnibon%C3%A9

The first book The Dreaming city, came out the year I was born. lol

 

[Jaspertian1105]

I for one like the prequels, they are not perfect of course but i really enjoy them. I liked some things of this hobbit trilogy (Smaug my very favorite) , but there are many things that went wrong, mostly book changes, that started from the very first LOTR movie. I know that adaptations go through changes but some of them were just horrible and made no sense.

The best movie for me is still FOTR by far, its the least changed and the one that follows the books closer. But when Jackson tries to channel Tolkien and attempts to re write his stuff things go south fast. The super HD crisp look of everything doesn't help either, its not something particular from this movies but with modern film in general. Personally it takes me out of the experience but maybe its just me