Official The Ultimates Thread

[celldog]

Well, you are, of course, allowed to express your opinions. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Alot of people just strongly disagree with you to the point where they dislike you. I'm not saying it's a good thing and I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just saying that it's what's happening.


Then that's their problem....not mine. I could just as easily choose to "dislike" you and others I spar with regularly. But I don't. I see this forum for what it is.

Thanks.

No problem.

 

[The Question]

Then that's their problem....not mine. I could just as easily choose to "dislike" you and others I spar with regularly. But I don't. I see this forum for what it is.

Oh, I don't think disliking someone on the forums isn't seeing it for what it is. Discussion doesn't have to be friendly.

 

[GNR]

When the heck is #3 due out anyway?

I assume you mean #13,

supposed to be before the year's over,it's another double sizer

 

[Savage]

He meant number 3 of Wolverine vs. Hulk, and we have no idea.

 

[celldog]

Oh, I don't think disliking someone on the forums isn't seeing it for what it is. Discussion doesn't have to be friendly.

But it should be civil.

 

[PWN3R]

I think I found something even Celldog and I can agree with.

Your Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk update: issue #3, originally solicited for 19 April 2006, and subsequently rescheduled for 17 May, 12 July, 9 August, 20 September, 25 October and 1 November, has been rescheduled yet again. It's now due out on 27 December 2006. That's "due out" in the sense of "they'll wait until the last moment before pushing it back yet again", of course.
Since issue #2 came out in February, we're now looking at ten months between issues. Bearing in mind that it's a six issue miniseries, and that the final three issues haven't even been solicited, at this rate the book won't finish until 2009. Personally, I no longer believe that the remaining three issues will ever come out. Leaving aside questions of basic professionalism and willingness to fulfil his commitments, Damon Lindelof apparently couldn't find time to write a single script over the last ten months. So when is he going to write the next three, eh?
Serious prediction: after issue #3 comes out, if it ever does, they'll tell us that they're not soliciting issue #4 until it's ready. And then we'll never hear of it again. At this point, though, does anyone still care?

Complete bull. Totally un-professional, this guy doesn't need to work with the industry again.

 

[chris moore]

Do you think this is a result of whatever the hell it is that happens at the end of the Wolverine vs Hulk mini?

Now that, is clever - not to start anything about lateness, but its a shame we dont know what the outcome of that series is yet. Even if they still had editors notes it would help tie things together. Like "Editors note: See Ult Hulk Vs Wolverine mini"

 

[Brian Braddock]

yeah - this was briefly mentioned about five pages back. while it seems a bit "yeah yeah Pym, we know you didnt infiltrate the liberators ya wuss! you're just turncoating again", if it were that way, then it wouldnt be a twist like we've come to expect from Millar - methinks there must be more to it.

I've just re-read #12 and it never occured to me before but exactly when did Hank give Jan the pym particles so that she could grow tall?

Was that in an earlier issue and I missed it or does it back up Pym's claim that it was the plan all along for him to turn on the Liberators, and that he's been in contact with Jan the whole time this has been going on?

 

[Kahoot]

"Wah wah wah, the big boys are talking about real politics! Wah wah wah, this is a place for imaginary superhero politics, wah wah wah".

Which makes a good point. Why use this thread about The Ultimates to talk about North Korea when that hasn't been mentioned in the comics? If you wanna talk about what would happen when a superhero team for the US invades Iraq or when a superhero team invades the US and when do the heroes become villains then go for it but can we keep North Korea away form threads where it’s not needed.

 

[chris moore]

Thank you Kahoot.

SuperBenitez - its yet to be established that Hank grows using Pym Particles. In issue four or five of volume one when he beat Jan, it was revealed she was mutant and that her powers and cells were what allowed Hank to jumpstart his Giant-Man program. I think the whole Giant-Man creation issue needs a little more explanation, as do some others. In the regular MU, we have pseudo scientific explanations for character creation. In Ultimates we have no reason for Iron-Man's suit other than he has a tumour in his head so feels more altruistic/he is one big neurocell with supposedly impenetrable skin and figures he wants to be able to fight first instead of let the bad guy get close enough for superskin to be necessary. For Giant-Man we have him using his wife's cells to get her powers working in the opposite way for him. But there's also injections fo reduction serum when he got nailed by the Hulk - so is his power innate now, or he sticks himself to shrink and grow, or what?
And Cap - no-one manages to recreate a serum that has been described as surgery and steroids. I preferred the serum/vita rays combo that made it a stable formula in his system.

But I digress. There has to be a link between Hank's giving Jan a Giant-Man serum, and his statement about defection. Though for a guy with inadequacy issues about his intellect and power, he sure doesnt mind his wife having her own powers AND being able to reproduce his, thereby making her a better hero in the public's eyes.

 

[chris moore]

Hey - which issue did Jan go and meet Hank in a bar after walking out on Cap? Maybe that was the moment Hank gave her the Giant-Man serum...

 

[Horrorfan]

Which makes a good point. Why use this thread about The Ultimates to talk about North Korea when that hasn't been mentioned in the comics? If you wanna talk about what would happen when a superhero team for the US invades Iraq or when a superhero team invades the US and when do the heroes become villains then go for it but can we keep North Korea away form threads where it’s not needed.

See, that's why some people need to read the comic and read between the lines...the whole issue with the ultimates going to the middle east to disarm a rogue dictator oof weapons wasnt about the middle east in general. it was trying to make the point of ''who are the us to tell anyone who can or cant have nukes?'', amd as you MAY have noticed in the news, the us has been chatising north korea (along with the rest of the world) about its nukes programme, and that discussion ties into the themes in ultimates. sheesh, some people shoudn't be reading books above their head.


Anyway, I agree that the guy who writes wolverine vs hulk should not work in the industry again. If Joss Whedon and JMS can write at least semi regular comics for months and months, he shouldn't struggle with a short mini, especially when another title depended on it for continuity.

 

[Brian Braddock]

See, that's why some people need to read the comic and read between the lines...the whole issue with the ultimates going to the middle east to disarm a rogue dictator oof weapons wasnt about the middle east in general. it was trying to make the point of ''who are the us to tell anyone who can or cant have nukes?'', amd as you MAY have noticed in the news, the us has been chatising north korea (along with the rest of the world) about its nukes programme, and that discussion ties into the themes in ultimates. sheesh, some people shoudn't be reading books above their head.


Anyway, I agree that the guy who writes wolverine vs hulk should not work in the industry again. If Joss Whedon and JMS can write at least semi regular comics for months and months, he shouldn't struggle with a short mini, especially when another title depended on it for continuity.

So, Is that a prerequisite to reading the Ultimates - you have to have an avid interest in politics to read the book?

Sorry, but I disagree with you.

Sure, there are metaphors and political subtexts for you and others to theorise about - but maybe people choose not to read into it that deep - maybe it's not a case of the book being 'above their head' - maybe people see enough politics in their everyday life and are simply tired of it, so woe betide they actually read a comicbook for a little escapism.

What about the average guy who's read the Avengers for years, and so would obviously have a interest in the book but he has no interest in politics? Are you saying he cant read the book?

 

[Horrorfan]

So, Is that a prerequisite to reading the Ultimates - you have to have an avid interest in politics to read the book?

Sorry, but I disagree with you.

Sure, there are metaphors and political subtexts for you and others to theorise about - but maybe people choose not to read into it that deep - maybe it's not a case of the book being 'above their head' - maybe people see enough politics in their everyday life and are simply tired of it, so woe betide they actually read a comicbook for a little escapism.

What about the average guy who's read the Avengers for years, and so would obviously have a interest in the book but he has no interest in politics? Are you saying he cant read the book?

The politics and real world feel are INTEGRAL to the title - why on earth read this of all books if you don't want that? Seems pretty stupid.


And if you don't want to debate the politics- no one's making you. But if you can't play with the big boys, go back to the playground.

 

[chris moore]

Look - end this crap right now. Christ! If I want to talk about real world politics (not imaginary politics with a real-world basis), then I read bbc news and the newspapers and talk about them with people in person (or god forbid if I had nothing better to do with my life, a political rant board designed for such a purpose). If I want a little escapism from the mudanity and sometime-horror of the real world, then I read a comicbook and let myself become engrossed in the events GOING ON THERE! I do not want to discuss the analogies to non-comic current events under the pretense of them being relevant to the comic the thread is titled on.

Horrorfan - no one is making anyone talk about politics, real or otherwise. But you with your incessant posts on the subjecvt are swamping the comicbook related posts to the point where no-one but you and the few who thrive on arguements with you can see anything worth reading, let a lone replying to. The big boys are here - they just want to discuss the freakin comic! Now **** off over to the community forum where there is an abundance of political rantings going on! Or is it that you're afraid that the people involved in discussions of that nature over there are much more "the big boys" than yourself when it comes to political debate and you wouldnt be able to be heard? I'm sorry about telling you where to go etc - and this will indubitably result in a comeback of some sort, but enough is enough with the freakin North Korea and Nukes stuff! There hasnt even been a Nuke or the threat of a Nuke launch by the liberators or anyone else in the last few issues!

So, in yet another attempt to keep things on track:


How about the meeting Hank in a bar theory (see thirty five or six posts up)

 

[Brian Braddock]

Condescending ****.

No, The politics isnt intergral to the title - Sure, it's there if you choose to read it as such. But there's the key word - 'choose'. Some people prefer just to take it on face value and read it for the superhero stuff.

Who the **** are you to say I, or anyone else can or can't pick up a specific title???!!!!!

 

[Brian Braddock]

Look - end this crap right now. Christ! If I want to talk about real world politics (not imaginary politics with a real-world basis), then I read bbc news and the newspapers and talk about them with people in person (or god forbid if I had nothing better to do with my life, a political rant board designed for such a purpose). If I want a little escapism from the mudanity and sometime-horror of the real world, then I read a comicbook and let myself become engrossed in the events GOING ON THERE! I do not want to discuss the analogies to non-comic current events under the pretense of them being relevant to the comic the thread is titled on.

Horrorfan - no one is making anyone talk about politics, real or otherwise. But you with your incessant posts on the subjecvt are swamping the comicbook related posts to the point where no-one but you and the few who thrive on arguements with you can see anything worth reading, let a lone replying to. The big boys are here - they just want to discuss the freakin comic! Now **** off over to the community forum where there is an abundance of political rantings going on! Or is it that you're afraid that the people involved in discussions of that nature over there are much more "the big boys" than yourself when it comes to political debate and you wouldnt be able to be heard? I'm sorry about telling you where to go etc - and this will indubitably result in a comeback of some sort, but enough is enough with the freakin North Korea and Nukes stuff! There hasnt even been a Nuke or the threat of a Nuke launch by the liberators or anyone else in the last few issues!

So, in yet another attempt to keep things on track:


How about the meeting Hank in a bar theory (see thirty five or six posts up)

Could not agree more, man; could not agree more.

 

[Horrorfan]

well ok, im stopping political talk because some people here seem too simple to understand the themes behind it anyway.

Maybe you two might want to try and look for the marvel adventures comics for younger readers. Just a thought

 

[chris moore]

I totally get the themes Horrorfan - but the issues they are talking about are not the current Nuke concerns of North Korea you ignorant pratt!

You wanna mention how you know where the political themes Millar uses and drawn from, fine. But if everything you say has ****all to do with a single character, subplot or panel in the COMICBOOK, then keep quiet.

Kahoot - got anymore on the Pym sitch?
Anyone got an opinions on how Thor is going to take down Loki? I mean, Loki is all about magic, and Thor is pure physicality with lightning thrown in. As easily as Loki has been beaten in the 616 universe, methnks it'd take more than swinging that big hammer at him to bring him down.

 

[GNR]

Complete bull. Totally un-professional, this guy doesn't need to work with the industry again.

That's a tad harsh don't you think?

It's pretty obvious Lindelof and JQ went into this without much consideration about how Damon's TV work would play havoc with his comic schedule.Unprofessional?You could say that,they were very eager to get this thing off the ground with Ultimates still in full swing.

It's great whenever writers who come from any other medium get into writing comics,it's only good for the industry no matter how late the book ships.I can't tell you how many friends I've stunned when I tell them I read comics written by the guys who did The OCand Lost.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Do you think any war is justifiable?
What country are you from??
And also note that not once have I called you an idiot. But you're the "cultured" one, right?

(Can see the flaming coming) France.

Wars are justifiable based on your inclusion in them.

If North Korea attacked you, and you attacked them back, I'm not going to say "You're idiots, dipolmacy would've worked." Quite the opposite.

As for cultured? That's fairly subjective. If you mean I know plenty about the world around me, then yes. If you mean that I have an opinion about how the world should operate, no.

 

[Darthphere]

So, Is that a prerequisite to reading the Ultimates - you have to have an avid interest in politics to read the book?

Sorry, but I disagree with you.

Too bad, because its true.

 

[Darthphere]

I think I found something even Celldog and I can agree with.



Complete bull. Totally un-professional, this guy doesn't need to work with the industry again.

True, I agree,. Its pretty pathetic. I can write a 22 page coming a couple of hours. Not a good one, but hes supposedly talented.

 

[chris moore]

See that little triangle with the exclamation point, how about you click it and stop whining.

Done and done - now how about you take your political *****ing to the appropriate thread so no one needs to be clicking on exclamation marks. You dont suggest the action to take for the rantings of the political fanatics, then tell someone who's defending reading the comic cos they like the comic for what it is rather than what it analogously stands for, that they have to be a politics fan to read it - thats just perpetuating the situation.

 

[EXCELSIOR]

OK gang...
We are getting way off topic.
Lets try to get it back on track... the fighting and name calling needs to stop… this is an ULTIMATES thread, if you want to discuss the Korean political situation or the like, please visit community where it is more appropriate!

PLAY NICE!