Official The Ultimates Thread

[El Bastardo]

They should not have used a real world figure in the first place, they used it as yet another way to get at Bush [In some form or another]. Why on earth are they useing real world figures in a comic book is beyond me. look bam Barbara Bush is dead..wow shock Value points thier Leave the polotical garbage out of comics, especially when you have real people "dieing" on the pages of a 3 dollar comic strip.

Her name is Laura. Barbara Bush is Dubya's mother. Hell, it's right there on the page.

Yeah, leave the images of real people, the real world feeling, and the real world setting out of comic books. Don't we know they're all fantasy land things and shouldn't be taken seriously as anything more than "low brain activity entertainment?" They're just for little kids. Can't handle anything pushing the envelope, gritty, realistic, or mature in comic books. That's what movies and TV shows are for!

 

[Savage]

They should not have used a real world figure in the first place, they used it as yet another way to get at Bush [In some form or another]. Why on earth are they useing real world figures in a comic book is beyond me. look bam Barbara Bush is dead..wow shock Value points thier Leave the polotical garbage out of comics, especially when you have real people "dieing" on the pages of a 3 dollar comic strip.

Eh, it's all fiction to me. Real world figures or not. I don't see it as getting a point accross but what really WOULD happen if this was the scenario. I actually prefer real people being used as opposed to made up presidents...The death of Barbera Bush in a comic book is pretty insubstantial to me. No shock value involved. Just..."as a matter of fact".

 

[Eros]

Eh, it's all fiction to me. Real world figures or not. I don't see it as getting a point accross but what really WOULD happen if this was the scenario. I actually prefer real people being used as opposed to made up presidents...The death of Barbera Bush in a comic book is pretty insubstantial to me. No shock value involved. Just..."as a matter of fact".

so if they had a flashback issue with i dunno where Martin Luthor Kings death was part of a shield plan/coverup, and they showed King getting raped a and other things in a 60s shield Jail cell before they kill him. That would be okay with you? Because I would not put it past the writers, who seem to only work on shock Value and "real world" plots.

 

[ang_hulk]

i dont tihnk it was for shock value i think it was more to show that it wasnt an attack on a super hero team as much as it was the country.Thats important to the story,shokcing or not,this isnt a "what fate awaits the ultimates-enter the liberators" its, "our countrys under the evil eye of everyone else and there stonger then anything weve ever faced,who can help us? there stonger then the team thats sup;posed to take on all our supper human threats but there kind of worthless" story.

 

[Savage]

In all honesty? Yes. It would be okay with me. lol. People didn't seem too offended when the reason for Hiroshima and Nagasaki's demise were that they were aliens.

 

[ang_hulk]

I liked that detail alot.Her dying just gave the liberators more of a presence,yes,we read this comic to watch the libs battle the ultimates but thats not all thats going on you know.The american people watched the statue of liberty come down,there cars were blown away by giant dynomechs and the the man who leads there country just lost his wife,do you know what that does to a guy? alot and if that was the only thing wrong in the country it would worry even me but theres still hundreds of thousands of super humans flying above the cities,floating war ready basis(With all the sheild helicarriers in a pile in the ocean) and a massive dragon man tearing through pre schools-its about impact.

 

[Eros]

well besides the other stuff, i guess the issue was fine. But captain america is getting to be alittle Uber[powerful], and he starting to seem like the Ultimates version Batman. I still don't kno how he beat a 60 foot Hank Pym back in Ultimates "season" 1?

 

[ang_hulk]

well,hes strong enough to lift a tomb stone and use it as a weapon and hes body can take 400 foot drops so i think its possible.What makes you think hes to powerfull?

 

[El Bastardo]

Cap's the super-soldier, the ultimate one, the one the other super-soldiers have been designed from. And considering that Ultimate Thing and Colossus are stronger than their 616 counterparts, it's not a giant leap and bound to assume that maybe Ultimate Cap is stronger than his 616 counterpart. Now, the day Ultimate Hawkeye or Quicksilver develop super strength and endurance are the day I start doubting the writer's grip on sanity.

As for Cap beating Giant Man way back when... I thought it was pretty nicely drawn and easy to read. But, since it needs to be said: Cap's a fighter and strategist, Hank isn't. Hank's also waaaaaaaay too overconfident (like, you know, when he thought he'd single-handedly saved the day against the Hulk, and the Hulk proceeded to knock him over). Hank was also pretty self-loathing at that point, and has an inferiority complex anyway, so it's probable that subconsciously he wanted to lose. A mix of physical prowess on Cap's part and mental inferiority on Hank's part = Cap 1, Hank 0.

 

[ang_hulk]

and back alleys arent ment for 50ft tall men.

 

[Artistsean]

But also Cap gave Ultimate Hulk a good beating in their fight. So its reasonable to say that in an open arena like a field, and if Hank was more prepared, Cap could still kick his butt.
He is a trained soldier, a stratigist and combatant, plus he has all that super soldier serum in him making him stronger and faster.

 

[celldog]

Are you amused easily, by any chance?

Nope, I'm not going to get roped into any debate of morality or ideology with you. It's not even about that trash. I just want to point something out.

Just because someone hates a book doesn't mean they can't, or wouldn't want to, draw from it, or draw similarities to it. It's not a matter of necessarily liking the book at all, but about making a symbolism that people can understand. The symbolic messiah as we know it is something that, while it inevitably stretches back to the Christian mythos, can be understood by all readers (or, well, assumedly so), regardless of their being Catholic, Protestant, or Athiest. I mean, if you're easily amused, that's great, but I don't think it's a call for insane laughter that a non-religious person uses symbolism originating in a religious literary work. Lewis Black, on the other hand, certainly is a call for insane laughter.

Steinbeck, a revered author of American Literature, was hardly religious in the Christian sense, and though he makes a few anti-Christian comments throughout The Grapes of Wrath, structured the book to have many, many, many Biblical similarities. For example.

It's the greatest literary work in the world. It remains a best seller. And tons of movies and books have sprung from it. Even Superman is a "Moses" type character. Sent out by his parents as an infant, in small craft, to escape death and grow up to be a savior. Don't forget that Shuster & Seigel were Jewish.

I just made an observation. The Thor line was pretty blatant. But I liked it.

 

[celldog]

Yeah i wasn't buying Ben in shackles at least not ultimate Ben grimm.. suicide super soliders should have been all the easier for him imo. He should be the anchor guy like banner. I didn't like that too much espcially after reading Ult. FF. and ultimate nightmare, ext.. no freakin way buddy. Its gonna be a good fight though. Iron Man 6 where you at?

That's all I'm saying!! Ulti- Thing seems to be a little stronger than 616.

 

[celldog]

Cap's the super-soldier, the ultimate one, the one the other super-soldiers have been designed from. And considering that Ultimate Thing and Colossus are stronger than their 616 counterparts, it's not a giant leap and bound to assume that maybe Ultimate Cap is stronger than his 616 counterpart. Now, the day Ultimate Hawkeye or Quicksilver develop super strength and endurance are the day I start doubting the writer's grip on sanity.

Ulti-Cap can lift 2 tons. 616 cannot.

As for Cap beating Giant Man way back when... I thought it was pretty nicely drawn and easy to read. But, since it needs to be said: Cap's a fighter and strategist, Hank isn't. Hank's also waaaaaaaay too overconfident (like, you know, when he thought he'd single-handedly saved the day against the Hulk, and the Hulk proceeded to knock him over). Hank was also pretty self-loathing at that point, and has an inferiority complex anyway, so it's probable that subconsciously he wanted to lose. A mix of physical prowess on Cap's part and mental inferiority on Hank's part = Cap 1, Hank 0.

I think a punch from a guy as strong as Ulti-Cap would end things nicely..

 

[celldog]

Also,,,is Laura Bush dead?? We didn't see her fall out of the plane. Yeah ...ol' George screams her name...but couldn't it have been out of concern?? After all the plane was actually still in tact on the tail end...which is where she probably was. Just guessin'....

 

[Trask]

Ok sooo, the issue was fine but there is one thing I did not like very much about the issue and that was the display of the X-Men, FF and Spider-Man being captured. That was a bit hard for me to belive especially since they were all meant to have been captured by those stupid people in black suits. I mean Hawkeye killed about 10 of them on his own there yet we are expected to belive people like Jean, invisible woman, Think, Collosus and Iceman can be taken prisoners.

Ok now what I am looking forward to in the next issue

1) Can't wait to see Iron Man in his new suit

2) Hulk kicking the **** out of Cap America and then waking up Fury so that he can rip off his other arm and eat it in front of him.

3) Thor to finally come back and kick everyone's ass. Starting with Loki and finishing with Cap America, with a slight detour to Fury.

4) Someone to just put Pym down for good. I hope they dont say all is forgiven at the end, after all what he did is Treason and death is the penaly for such things.

5) Black Widow made to pay for her betrayal (damn it she shot poor Jarvis, I am still recovering from that incident).

 

[Trask]

Also,,,is Laura Bush dead?? We didn't see her fall out of the plane. Yeah ...ol' George screams her name...but couldn't it have been out of concern?? After all the plane was actually still in tact on the tail end...which is where she probably was. Just guessin'....

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

 

[celldog]

Ok sooo, the issue was fine but there is one thing I did not like very much about the issue and that was the display of the X-Men, FF and Spider-Man being captured. That was a bit hard for me to belive especially since they were all meant to have been captured by those stupid people in black suits. I mean Hawkeye killed about 10 of them on his own there yet we are expected to belive people like Jean, invisible woman, Think, Collosus and Iceman can be taken prisoners.


I totally agree.
Ok now what I am looking forward to in the next issue

1) Can't wait to see Iron Man in his new suit

Iron man SIX!! Wow...

2) Hulk kicking the **** out of Cap America and then waking up Fury so that he can rip off his other arm and eat it in front of him.

Why? Didn't you hear Banner? He's back to save his country. I think he can probably understand why they felt they had to execute him. But he seems to have it under control.
3) Thor to finally come back and kick everyone's ass. Starting with Loki and finishing with Cap America, with a slight detour to Fury.

Why the hate on Cap?
4) Someone to just put Pym down for good. I hope they dont say all is forgiven at the end, after all what he did is Treason and death is the penaly for such things.

Fury or Jan will get Pym.

5) Black Widow made to pay for her betrayal (damn it she shot poor Jarvis, I am still recovering from that incident).

Agree....

All I want to see is Capt Jihad get a good smack down by Cap.

 

[celldog]

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

Me either. Knowing the people on these boards, it's probably wishful thinking. LOL

 

[The Question]

Agree....

All I want to see is Capt Jihad get a good smack down by Cap.

Again, I don't think it's entirely fair to call him "Captain Jihad." He could be an athiest for all we know and simply not like the U.S.

 

[Darthphere]

Again, I don't think it's entirely fair to call him "Captain Jihad." He could be an athiest for all we know and simply not like the U.S.

LOL @ Q for trying.

 

[x-mutantwings-x]

I bet it's black widow!

 

[El Bastardo]

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

My take on it, what I got when I was reading through the issue, was that when they ripped that left wing off, it pulled off with it part of the side of the plane - hence why, when you see inside, people are holding onto seats to prevent from flying out, and papers are whipping around, etc. In this scenario, there are two possibilities:
1) Dubya just shouts her name because he's genuinely concerned for her,
or
2) Dubya shouts her name because she's flyin' with the birdies.

I figured #2. I don't care either way. Hell, I wouldn't have cared if it was another Kennedy about to die because of a plane.

 

[celldog]

Again, I don't think it's entirely fair to call him "Captain Jihad." He could be an athiest for all we know and simply not like the U.S.

Since when do I care about what you think? LOL And why do you care?

He ain't a muslim atheist. Get over it.

 

[celldog]

My take on it, what I got when I was reading through the issue, was that when they ripped that left wing off, it pulled off with it part of the side of the plane - hence why, when you see inside, people are holding onto seats to prevent from flying out, and papers are whipping around, etc. In this scenario, there are two possibilities:
1) Dubya just shouts her name because he's genuinely concerned for her,
or
2) Dubya shouts her name because she's flyin' with the birdies.

I figured #2. I don't care either way. Hell, I wouldn't have cared if it was another Kennedy about to die because of a plane.

Yep...like I said..."wishful thinking".