Official The Ultimates Thread

[GNR]

#11 was bananas.Simply ripe and yellow bananas.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It doesnt suit Millar's Ultimates mood. Loeb's will be more classic Avengers superhero stories.

He is correct. Trust me, xwolverinex, Loeb and Millar have two very different writing styles. Joe Mad's artwork will work well with Loeb's writing. I'm looking forward to Loeb's run very much.

And the latest issue, WHICH FINALLY CAME OUT!!!

Seeing the Ultimates slowly come back together after being wedged apart brutally has been a nice plot line. When Thor brings the hammer down it's going to be a "YES!" moment for me. And we sort of got one of those with Hulk, and a talking Hulk at that, which reminds me that Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine needs to HURRY UP AND COME OUT TOO!!!

But this is one of my favorite books and it delivers each and every time it comes out, which is rarely, heh.

But next issue is going to be truly intense and the more Hulk rampages the better. But I'm looking for Thor...he's gonna nail Loki good...he BETTER!

 

[GNR]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

 

[PWN3R]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

I really think that Bruce's return in #11 was suppose to be a huge shock, due to Ult. Wolverine VS Hulk. I mean look at the shot when the crowd is running, and a shadow is just standing there.



I'm still picking the issues up though, I'm a ****e.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

No, it makes me more excited and anxious for the next Ultimate Hulk and Wolvie to come out.

 

[PWN3R]

I'm gonna miss Hitch o so very much.

What are some of his next projects???

 

[Savage]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

Actually it makes me even more anxious to see how this thing came about in the first place.

 

[Hughesovski]

Well, technically, yes.

Essentially, the Liberators are acting as the "Ultimates" of several countries, mostly consisting of what seems to be a technological/genetic alliance between China, the Middle East, and Russia. I'm surprised North Korea isn't in there. Despite these countries traditionally being enemies of America, they are responding to the actions of America so far as the comic's events are concerned. Fury has used the Ultimates team as a part of foreign policy, Persons of Mass Destruction, to attack and cripple nations with nuclear capabilities, and as part of the war in the Middle East. The Liberators are formed and attack in what is, pretty much, a terrorist action.

So, yeah. Due cause.

I disagree that it is a terrorist action - this is a whole declaration of war - it was agreed by the governments of the respective countries. If it was a terrorist action then it would be by a splinter group - this is not the case with the Liberators. Also if you remember they had their briefing in France - so the Frenchs share in the responsibility. Essentially it has been the same as what happened in Iraq, but taking place in America. Brilliant Arc from start to near finish - the Ultimates (until volume 3) has been wonderful to read.

 

[El Bastardo]

This is why I inserted the word "technically" in my answer.

Everything you say is dead on. And the Liberators certainly are an invasion force. Yep, they're a coalition of different countries, and got their briefing in France.

We've seen no formal declaration of war on the part of the countries involved, though (or have we? If it was in an issue and I'm just forgetting it, stop reading here - I'm wrong). If the countries involved make no formal declaration of war, and in the end accept no responsibility for the actions of the Liberators, then the Liberators will have become terrorists, rogue agents, fanatics, what have you. They will not be acting on behalf of the sovereign countries from which they hail.

This is what I assume Millar will end up doing, so that he doesn't bring World War III to a book that he's leaving.

 

[supermarvelman]

Joe Madureira. Some of his art:

HULK LOOKS ****IN AWESOME!!!!

 

[GNR]

I'm gonna miss Hitch o so very much.

What are some of his next projects???

His next is an unnamed project with Millar,their followup.It sounds pretty big and these 2 are always a great pair.

 

[Gogo Bananas]

They really gotta stay away from 'cartooning' up the Ultimates. Hitch has such a nice gritty vibe to his work.

 

[celldog]

Quote by Question:
Ooh. Ooh. I have a question. How the hell could they tell what religion he is? He could, very simply, not tell anyone. I know theocratic governments are not, historically, fond of non believers, but unless they're mind readers, they have no way of knowing what he really believes or not.

Brother, you act like no one can come to "any" conclusions without a direct admission. The clues are there.....they do this in court all the time.

He's an Arab.

His government is Islamic

Islamic governments will not support atheistic beliefs.

They certainly will not power up an "unbeliever".

Therefore, we must conclude that he and his gov't are on the same page idealogically.....and religiously.

This is jihad.


Now ...can you muster up some support for the stars and stripes??

 

[The Question]

And yet, that is not the only way it could happen. He could be athiest and simply not tell anyone. It's not like it's the bloody Spanish Inquesition over there. Besides, he's the only human being besides Steve Rodgers who responed posetively to the Super Soldier formula. I doubt any government officials would be so anal retentive in regards to their religious beleifs to pass up an opourtunity like that. I'm not saying that he is or isn't of any religious beleif. I'm simply saying that to assume that he is Muslim would be like someone assuming that because someone is from a predominantly Christian country, they are Christian. Also, that reminds me. You said that it seemed highly unlikely that he would be Christian. However, many Muslims (and I am speaking from personal experience here) tend to hold many of the Christian teachings in high regard. Hell, many Muslims consider Islam a direct progression of the Christian and Jewish faiths. Of course, I know that you're now going to bring up that story about that Christian who was nearly exicuted in the Middle East a while ago. My rebuttle to that (to save time) is thus:


1) They were not going to kill him because he was Christian, but because he had converted from Islam to Christianity. Now, this is far from a good thing, but it isn't representative of an inherent hatred of Christians as it is a representation of wanting to keep him under the control of the Islamic faith.

2) The people who wanted to exicute him were not representative of the entire Islamic faith. They were fanatics. I know you have a very hard time wraping your head around this concept, but not all Muslims share their idiology with people like Bin Laden and the current Iranian president. In fact, people like Bin Laden make up a very small percentage of the Muslims in the world.


Also, just so you know, of course I'm going to support the U.S. I may dislike some of the government's polocies, but I hold no hate for the country itself. Hell, I love this country. Doesn't mean I have to like the government all the time. And It's not like I'm even adimently against the government. The current administration, in my opinion, has made some serious mistakes, but I have been on the side defending the government in more than a few arguements.

 

[celldog]

And yet, that is not the only way it could happen. He could be athiest and simply not tell anyone. It's not like it's the bloody Spanish Inquesition over there. Besides, he's the only human being besides Steve Rodgers who responed posetively to the Super Soldier formula. I doubt any government officials would be so anal retentive in regards to their religious beleifs to pass up an opourtunity like that.

Oh...and you base this on what??



I'm not saying that he is or isn't of any religious beleif. I'm simply saying that to assume that he is Muslim would be like someone assuming that because someone is from a predominantly Christian country, they are Christian. Also, that reminds me. You said that it seemed highly unlikely that he would be Christian. However, many Muslims (and I am speaking from personal experience here) tend to hold many of the Christian teachings in high regard.

Yeah....but you live here in the U.S. right??? A lot of them say that "over here". Please explain to me why churches are attacked in Islamic countries, Christians are made slaves in the Sudan, and why a man who converted to Christianity had to flee Afghanistan for fear of his life.

Hell, many Muslims consider Islam a direct progression of the Christian and Jewish faiths. Of course, I know that you're now going to bring up that story about that Christian who was nearly exicuted in the Middle East a while ago. My rebuttle to that (to save time) is thus:


1) They were not going to kill him because he was Christian, but because he had converted from Islam to Christianity. Now, this is far from a good thing, but it isn't representative of an inherent hatred of Christians as it is a representation of wanting to keep him under the control of the Islamic faith.


What's the difference?????????? Why kill him at all?????? Churches in Zanibhar are being attacked. Churches in Malaisia...... http://www.persecution.org/newsite/index.php

2) The people who wanted to exicute him were not representative of the entire Islamic faith. They were fanatics. I know you have a very hard time wraping your head around this concept, but not all Muslims share their idiology with people like Bin Laden and the current Iranian president. In fact, people like Bin Laden make up a very small percentage of the Muslims in the world.


If it's so few, why do they have the most control?? The loudest voice?? Either the "friendly" majority are scared to speak up, they secretly keep silent because they hope bin Laden succeeds or they are the minority.


Also, just so you know, of course I'm going to support the U.S. I may dislike some of the government's polocies, but I hold no hate for the country itself. Hell, I love this country. Doesn't mean I have to like the government all the time. And It's not like I'm even adimently against the government. The current administration, in my opinion, has made some serious mistakes, but I have been on the side defending the government in more than a few arguements.

I can't believe it.

 

[iloveclones]

Oh, yay. We're going to get treated to manifestos for the next few days.....

 

[XwolverineX]

#11 was bananas.Simply ripe and yellow bananas.

When Hulk showed up I had a hardcore Geekasm.

 

[XwolverineX]

Anyone else kind of turned off by Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk now that we know Hulk makes it out alive and comes back to the US in intelligent Hulk mode?

I mean,sure there's still the Wolvie VS Hulk fight and the revelation of how Bruce came to terms with Hulk,but other than that,after reading #11,I found following Ultimate Wolvie VS Hulk pointless now.

I have been turned off by Ult. Wolv vs. Hulk since it comes out twice a ****ing year, that's crap.


And I know Loeb and Millar have completely different writing styles, but I have HATED the last few arcs on Superman/Batman, so I'm not expecting much. Not to say that I like Millar, after he made me quit Spider-man comics.

 

[Darthphere]

Oh, yay. We're going to get treated to manifestos for the next few days.....

Fillibuster Q! Fillibuster!!!!

 

[iloveclones]

I have been turned off by Ult. Wolv vs. Hulk since it comes out twice a ****ing year, that's crap.


And I know Loeb and Millar have completely different writing styles, but I have HATED the last few arcs on Superman/Batman, so I'm not expecting much. Not to say that I like Millar, after he made me quit Spider-man comics.

Man, Spidey fans will take any excuse to quit reading. I mean, seriously, what did he do that was so bad?

 

[XwolverineX]

Man, Spidey fans will take any excuse to quit reading. I mean, seriously, what did he do that was so bad?

Did you not read CW #2, or was that sarcastic.

 

[PWN3R]

Did you not read CW #2, or was that sarcastic.

are you actually being serious?

 

[iloveclones]

Neither. I thought you were referring to his run MK Spidey. My bad.

Seriously though, all I've heard the last few years is:

"Spidey turned into a big spider? That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Gwen slept with Norman??That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey in Avengers" Sell-out!That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

What? Spidey has new powers? I didn't even like the old ones.That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever"

"Spidey grew 4 extra arms!?That's it. I'm dropping spidey-titles forever" (Admittedly, that was posted a long time ago.)

I mean, it's ridiculous. Spidey fans get in a huff every time there's a new development. I mean, quit already. Stop reading them in the store. Is there a reason some kind of official declaration is made every time a fan is unhappy. Just stop buying. I'm enjoying them more than enough for both (or all) of us.

 

[The Question]

Oh...and you base this on what??

Logic. They're not going to sacrifice one of their biggest tactical chances if it invlovles a soldier of a different religion. That's just idiocy.

Yeah....but you live here in the U.S. right??? A lot of them say that "over here". Please explain to me why churches are attacked in Islamic countries, Christians are made slaves in the Sudan, and why a man who converted to Christianity had to flee Afghanistan for fear of his life.

Those, my friend, are the acts of fanatics. Not the entirety of the Muslim faith.

If it's so few, why do they have the most control??

They don't. Bin Laden and his followers are wanted international terrorists. They have no political power whatsoever.

The loudest voice??

They don't. They're just the ones you hear about the most. Honestly, are you more likely to hear about a member of the KKK or an everage fellow on the street who holds no ill will against black people? You hear about the fanatics because they make the news.

Either the "friendly" majority are scared to speak up, they secretly keep silent because they hope bin Laden succeeds or they are the minority.

It's none of those. What are you expecting to happen? Have 24 hours of average Muslims on the street saying that they don't particularly like Bin Laden? What next? CNN interveiwing law abiding citizens about how they're not commiting crimes? The average Muslim has no control over the likes of Bin Laden. The fact that you expect them to makes no sense.

I can't believe it.

Why not? Why must love of one's country automatically extend to devotion to one's government?

Fillibuster Q! Fillibuster!!!!

I'm fillibustering! I'm fillibustering! Really, I've got to thank Celldog. Argueing with him has taught me a thing or two about debate.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Actually the whole plane is intact, if you go back and read the issue you will see that they only distroyed the wings and nothing else. At first it looked to me like they ripped the plane in two and I had a big problem with that (because of the whole decompression at that hight). However if you look closly you will note that the plane is for the most part intact. I dont know where people get this idea that Mrs. Bush is dead, because I dont see that.

She's not dead, even Crimson Dynamo says "Don't worry, you're not going to die for hours yet.", implying that she was still alive and was going to be executed along with him and all of the other members of the Bush administration and their families and business partners later on that day.

Although, if I would have been Millar, I would have made Dubya say: "Daddy! DADDY!!!"

(No, I'm not a liberal, I'm simply Anti-American)