Official UFC Thread - Part 6

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I think people are finally sick of him, he's no longer a fighter that can talk **** & back it up.. he's now one of those fighters that talks ****, gets his ass kicked & still doesn't shut up.

He should have retired after he went on that 4 or 5 fight losing streak, the lose to Matt Hamill should have been the final nail in the coffin.
I think that has a lot to do with it. But like I said before, I've never liked him(I'm not really a big fan of any **** talkers in general). He's never really been that great, or definitely not as good as he is in his own mind or that warrants the level of ****talking he spewed. He was never a KO artist and now he can barely eek out a win. That doesn't bode well for trying to convince people how bad*** you are.

In other news, I'm not sure how I feel about this.
UFC announces sponsorship with Reebook, outfitting policy for athletes.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/new...-with-Reebook-outfitting-policy-for-athletes/
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On one hand it may lead to better pay for all fighters, but I don't like that they have to basically have a uniform and will lose other sponsorship money.


This article makes some good points about the possible good and the bad parts of the deal.


Why the UFC’s deal with Reebok may not benefit everybody



http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-the-ufc-s-deal-with-reebok-may-not-benefit-everybody-152948554.html
 
I think the jury is still out on how the Reebok deal will turn out. If it gets fighter more guaranteed money than what they are currently getting, than IMHO it's nothing but a good thing.

Can't wait for the fights this weekend.

Also keep in mind, the deal does not start until July 2015. So hopefully any issues get worked out.

Some of the emotion and the way people are overreacting about the deal is both hilarious and ridiculous.

I will just give you an example. In recent years a lot of fighters have complained about dealing with sponsors and how they have dried up for the sport in recent years. Matt Wiman compared dealing with sponsors to dealing with drug dealers and just foregoed them completely. Well now Matt Wiman gets guaranteed money for wearing the Reebok gear every time he fights. He is a guy that just wasn't doing sponsors anymore, so now he gets an automatic sponsor that will compensate him for every fight.

Frankie Edgar mentioned the real value in sponsorships goes outside the cage. He basically said that fighters should be repping their sponsor brands hard outside the cage because that has more value than a patch on your shorts.

Also, this may seem harsh, but ultimately this is UFC's air time. UFC can control what goes out on their air time. Cost of doing business.

Everyone acts like the fighters deserve to have all the logos and banners, but where does it say that? Is there a law that says combat sport athletes must be allowed to have these things? If there is, let me know.

However, this uniform deal is a guaranteed sponsor for all the fighters, and all the fighters are supposed to get paid for it.

Now will the deal net them more money than what they were getting through sponsors before? I do not know because the financial terms of the deal were not revealed.

Not only that, most of us do not even know what various fighters get pay wise from their sponsors from their fights. We do know that sponsors have failed to pay fighters on time and have held out of money. Some sponsors were lowballing fighters with pitiful amounts of money. The Reebok deal means fighters do not have to deal with that when it comes to fight week.

Fighters are still allowed to get sponsors away from the cage. Just for example, Jon Jones is repping Beats by Dre. Ronda Rousey is the spokesperson for Buffalo Jeans.

IMHO what this means is that if fighters want better sponsors, they have to rep more outside the cage. That means think of new creative ways to rep the brand away from the cage.

I think that is one reason a lot of sponsors weren't looking at MMA guys anymore because of low ROI. You don't always see fighters repping their brands on social media before or after fights. If fighters want to make more money with those sponsorships, think of new strategies. Say, "OK I can't have the logo for the fight anymore. But instead I will plug your stuff all over my website, I will go out and do appearances and signings for you, etc."
 
Go away Uriah Faber. Take team alpha midget with you.

NO CONTEST for that fight you just "won."
 
I almost had a perfect 5-0 on my picks with all of them being exactly right, but Pettis finished Gil(impressively I might add) instead of the TKO I predicted, and Hendricks got robbed. I love Robbie Lawler, but he shut down in rounds 2-4, and Hendricks was outstriking Lawler in addition to stalling terribly. Hopefully this lights a fire under his ass because he got very complacent tonight when he was up.
 
HELL YEAH! I called all five main card fights right! Good night of fights.
 
Sucks for Johnny, the man could arguably be 3-0 in title fights.
 
That Anthony Pettis, man. He's a bad, bad mother...

If he can just fend off Khabib's Sambo/Judo, Pettis will be the champ for years to come.
 
I was 4-1 on guys I was pulling for on the main card last night. The exception was Abel Trujillo vs Tony Ferguson. Trujillo looked good coming out of the gate, but he REALLY needs to do something about the gas tank.
 
That Anthony Pettis, man. He's a bad, bad mother...

If he can just fend off Khabib's Sambo/Judo, Pettis will be the champ for years to come.

I think that Pettis beats Khabib because he would have 5 rounds to figure out how to stop Khabib's attack. While Khabib's sambo could limit those nasty kicks, Pettis is a guy that's going to adjust at some point and snipe guys out. It's insane that he tapped Bendo and Gil. That's some straight legendary ****, and if he subbed Khabib it wouldn't shock me. Like with 155 it's going to be a tough matchup. Khabib is pretty good, and he's another shark in the tank gunning for that belt.
 
I'm so happy that Lawler won that fight, I'm glad there was judges with some common sense judging it. Too much emphasis is being placed on takedowns, Joe Rogan seemingly seemed to think that because Hendricks had taken him down 4 times & seemingly was getting the better of the majority of striking instances that it was enough for Hendricks to get the fight. Mike Goldberg then brought up exactly what I was thinking, Hendricks tried to take Lawler down 17 times & only managed to get him down 4 or 5 times. If so much emphasis is being placed on takedowns, then defending them should be worth equally as much as succeeding with them.

Not to mention in the process of trying to get Lawler down, Hendricks ate quite a lot of strikes in the clinch, significant strikes as well.

Not doubt about it that it was a close fight, while I don't think successful takedowns with next to no damage should hold as much judges scorecard weight as they do, some of the rounds were close when you factor in the takedown(s) + Hendricks coming off better on some of the striking exchanges. But I don't agree with some of the comments I saw on Twitter saying it was screw job or that Hendricks should have won 4 rounds to 1.
 
Also Anthony Pettis is a beast.
 
I scored it a draw. 1 and 5 Lawler, 2 and 3 Hendricks, 4 a toss up. Hendricks stopped fighting in the championship rounds.
 
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I think that Pettis beats Khabib because he would have 5 rounds to figure out how to stop Khabib's attack. While Khabib's sambo could limit those nasty kicks, Pettis is a guy that's going to adjust at some point and snipe guys out. It's insane that he tapped Bendo and Gil. That's some straight legendary ****, and if he subbed Khabib it wouldn't shock me. Like with 155 it's going to be a tough matchup. Khabib is pretty good, and he's another shark in the tank gunning for that belt.

I do too. As solid as Khabib can be, he doesn't exactly have a broad striking game. Pettis is just too technically sound. One mistake and its good night. Anthony has one of the best killer instincts in the game today. In addition, while Pettis' takedown defense isn't elite, keeping him down appears to be an issue (since the Guida bout). Both Gilbert and Bendo couldn't stay on top of him with that nasty, sleek guard he possesses and both are above average grapplers.

Yo, this guy is for real. I wanna see Pettis vs Aldo so badly.
 
Yo, this guy is for real. I wanna see Pettis vs Aldo so badly.

Dana White is ******ed sometimes, it makes no sense to force either of them to vacate the belt before the fight they should both fight at whatever weight as champions. If Aldo goes up and loses, he's still Featherweight champion, and he gets to defend it against the next challenger, if he wins, he then chooses which one to vacate, forcing him to vacate the title before the fight is risky, I wouldn't do that, it's a lot better to have one belt than risking not having any.
 
I scored it a draw. 1 and 5 Lawler, 2 and 3 Hendricks, 4 a toss up. Hendricks stopped fighting in the championship rounds.

Pretty much had it the same, all of the rounds were fairly close though bar maybe the 5th when Lawler beat the **** out of Hendricks in the final 30 seconds of the round.

I think the weight cut to make 170 must take it out of Hendricks, I don't think he's looked that good in any of his last 3 title fights against GSP or Lawler, even less so after the 3rd round.
 
So CM Punk has signed with the UFC for a multiple fight deal. He has no experience at all. I don't watch WWE, so I don't know much about him, but this doesn't seem much like the Lesnar situation since Brock was a Division 1 college wrestling champion.

To make things even crazier, the Green Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger wants to fight him in his first UFC fight...

The Green Power Ranger Wants In… Wants to Fight CM Punk in the UFC


http://www.mmaweekly.com/the-green-power-ranger-wants-in-wants-to-fight-cm-punk-in-the-ufc
 
This has epic fail written all over it. He's either going to get no credit for beating some guy with an 0-8 record, or he's going to get his arse handed to him on a plate. Also nice to hear on that podcast him whining about part-timers coming back to wrestle, when he's going to go take a spot up on a card with no experience. I'm presuming he hasn't signed an $8k contract to debut on a Fight Pass prelim in New Zealand. He's taken a spot from a multi-year veteran of the sport to take prominence on big cards.
 
It's been a long, long time since I've watched WWE.. in fact when I watched it regularly it was still WWF that's how long ago it was. But I have heard of CM Punk beforehand even if I've never properly seen him with any regularity in WWE.

From what I've learned of the whole situation this isn't anything like the Brock Lesnar situation. While Brock did come from the WWE straight into MMA, he had a very high calibre amateur wrestling backround which of course transfers quite well into MMA & it also didn't hurt that he was a complete freak athlete.

Now CM Punk/Phil Brooks apparently comes from a Kempo backround & has also supposedly trained BJJ of which he is from what I've read was a white belt as of 2012. So how good he is really depends on how high a level his Kempo backround is & to what level/extent he has been training in the past 10 years or however long his WWE career has been. His statement & backround is so vague currently he could be a black belt in Kempo or he could be a white or yellow.

So from where I am sitting the CM Punk signing & him competing in the UFC seems much, much more of a gimmick/money making scheme as opposed to the Lesnar signing in which even before he'd even won the heavyweight title, he genuinely had a strong, known backround with a stronger typical MMA fan optimism on just how far he could go. It's a shame Lesnar took the professional wrestling route because if he'd went straight into MMA straight out of collage & had more time to develop his striking/all round skills he could well have been a much more dominant force in the heavyweight division than he was in his brief spell.

I'm guessing but I'd imagine his rank/level of Kempo training isn't that high, but on the flip side I think it would be quite foolish of the UFC to have signed him unless they knew he had a strong backround in some form of MMA. It would be a massive contradiction, one of many, from Dana White to have signed him with no real single aspect of MMA backround when he has trashed guys like Kimbo Slice in the past who at least we knew was tough as nails & was a solid enough boxer.. at least or the streets anyway. We'll have to wait to see when more comes out about him in the coming weeks/months.
 
So CM Punk has signed with the UFC for a multiple fight deal. He has no experience at all. I don't watch WWE, so I don't know much about him, but this doesn't seem much like the Lesnar situation since Brock was a Division 1 college wrestling champion.

To make things even crazier, the Green Mighty Morphin' Power Ranger wants to fight him in his first UFC fight...

The Green Power Ranger Wants In… Wants to Fight CM Punk in the UFC


http://www.mmaweekly.com/the-green-power-ranger-wants-in-wants-to-fight-cm-punk-in-the-ufc

Well he has a great rep of saving the world , and he knocked out plenty of puddies in his days , more experience then punk

But in seriousness the green ranger has been training mma for a long time so I think him a punk are on the same level at least lol I don't think cm pubk last more then 2 fights , it's a money grab for the ufc and that's all
 
This has epic fail written all over it. He's either going to get no credit for beating some guy with an 0-8 record, or he's going to get his arse handed to him on a plate. Also nice to hear on that podcast him whining about part-timers coming back to wrestle, when he's going to go take a spot up on a card with no experience. I'm presuming he hasn't signed an $8k contract to debut on a Fight Pass prelim in New Zealand. He's taken a spot from a multi-year veteran of the sport to take prominence on big cards.

So the blame is all with Punk? :whatever:

I don't think so. It's a multi-fight contract and he'll have to prove himself like every other fighter... plus he's 36, so I'm not expecting him to stay around that long.
 
Ditto. &Punk wasn't whining. If you properly build your young talent, you don't need to rely on part-timers. I do wish Punk had started off in the minors to get some real exp., but he's in the UFC now & I wish him the best.
 
I think that the UFC is properly building their young talent. The problem is that hardcore MMA fans are dumb. They have no sport experience, so they get pissed off that the old legends and gone and replaced with new guys. I think Punk will help the transition get more attention. The UFC right now is loaded with talent, and this will give them a second look for some of the fans who kinda faded when their older favorites started hanging up the gloves and/or losing.

I'm a Punk fan from wrestling, but I'm not a fan of them having a guy debut with no major combat sports background. This is more out of Pride's page, but I'm betting that they didn't want Punk going to Bellator and getting locked up there for so many fights. Regardless what's done is done, and I'll be watching and rooting for Punk.
 
Ditto. &Punk wasn't whining. If you properly build your young talent, you don't need to rely on part-timers. I do wish Punk had started off in the minors to get some real exp., but he's in the UFC now & I wish him the best.

I think that the UFC is properly building their young talent. The problem is that hardcore MMA fans are dumb. They have no sport experience, so they get pissed off that the old legends and gone and replaced with new guys. I think Punk will help the transition get more attention. The UFC right now is loaded with talent, and this will give them a second look for some of the fans who kinda faded when their older favorites started hanging up the gloves and/or losing.

I'm a Punk fan from wrestling, but I'm not a fan of them having a guy debut with no major combat sports background. This is more out of Pride's page, but I'm betting that they didn't want Punk going to Bellator and getting locked up there for so many fights. Regardless what's done is done, and I'll be watching and rooting for Punk.
I'm not sure what you guys are saying. CM Punk is 36. He is not young talent. Unless you're suggesting that the UFC is bringing him in to get more eyeballs on the young fighters they're going to put him up against and try to build up. While that kind of sucks for CM Punk being a sort of sacrificial lamb for ratings, I can totally see that happening, and the most likely reason he's been signed.

Although it is funny how Dana would call such things "freakshow" fights back in the PRIDE days. Oh how the times have changed.
 
CM Punk is not what I think is the young talent that's the future for the UFC, but rather he is the draw that will bring more attention to the product so that younger guys can get more exposure.
 
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