Official UFC Thread - Part 7

[TheVileOne]

I didn't like nor hate Woodley, but this whole nonsense has made me dislike him & made him look like a fool I think. That segment after the bout with Lawler, Thompson basically asks him about when they're going to fight since he's the No. 1 contender & he basically sidesteps the question throwing out a random challenge to Nick Diaz saying he thinks he's deserved it..

Nick Diaz. The same Nick Diaz who hasn't fought in nearly 2 years? The same Nick Diaz that has lost his last 3 fights, getting tooled & destroyed by GSP & Silva in his last 2 of those 3 defeats? The same Nick Diaz that hasn't won a fight since 2011 that being against BJ Penn? This is the guy that Tyron Woodley thinks deserves the shot...

I hope Dana forces Woodley to fight Thompson & I hope Thompson violently KO's him, maybe that's what it will take to get him back in sync with reality. He's so silly, if he had any brains he'd have unquestionably fought Thompson, then if he'd beat him impressively, say he fights Maia & beats him impressively, he's instantly going to be a more bankable name because he's got some notoriety & not only would he have the pull to be able to get himself a name like GSP or a Diaz brother, but it would make him more money. In fairness though he has got more well known since the Lawler fight, but the sad thing is it's more for his random silly callout of an irrelevant fighter as opposed to the impressive KO win.

That video was funny at least. I will not accept Woodley fighting anyone else but Wonderboy.

 

[B]

of course it matters and aldo has always been injured with long lay offs you can accuse him of being injury prone but he always had legit reasons why, he wasn't just refusing to defend his title while healthy like conor

I'm pretty sure McGregor has never refused outright to defend the title to the UFC, with them allowing him to keep the title. The whole UFC 200 debacle proves they have their limits even with some of their most valuable commodities if they don't comply with their wishes.

i have said for the longest time conor has never had plans to go back to 145 he just wants to hold the title hostage till he wins the 155 title so he can say he is the first person in UFC history to hold 2 titles in 2 different weight classes at the same time.

I think it's highly unlikely he'll fight at 145 again if & it's a big if he can somehow beat Alvarez for the LW title. If the original fight for the LW title directly after he won the FW title had of happened instead of the first Diaz bout, I think there would have been more of a chance of him doing it. But now I think if he wins the LW title now, he'll do a 3rd fight with Diaz for the LW title & vacate the FW.

A rematch with Aldo though could be lucrative enough for him to stick around in the FW division though. Especially in a stadium in like Brazil or Dublin.

 

[B]

Of course it matters. Anyone with sense
and isn't bias knows this. An injury cannot be prevented. It is not an intentional act. Fighting out of the weight class is. I get it, you like Conor. That doesn't mean you have to bend logic to defend him.

Well no it doesn't, inactivity in a division is still inactivity in a division regardless of whatever the reason is. Injury can be prevented & kept to a minimum, train better & train smarter. Aldo's had 5 UFC title fights cancelled, changed or postponed. 5.

It amuses me to no end that you in particular are calling me biased regarding McGregor.

Because he keeps on saying he is going to go back down there and fight and yet doesn't. If this is true, he has no plans of ever fighting at 145 again.

So based on nothing then.

 

[B]

It seems certain that Alvarez/McGregor is next. As much as we all want him to defend the FW strap, it's been smart whether deliberate or not on his part to hold on to it as long as possible. McGregor is so good at the game he always has a big fight holstered in case he needs it. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's like we're back to where we were when McGregor got removed from 200 just without the Twitter crap.

Alvarez is a stylistic nightmare for McGregor I think, he's like a bigger, stronger Mendes, with more aggressive striking.

That video was funny at least. I will not accept Woodley fighting anyone else but Wonderboy.

I think Wonderboy without question should get the next shot, but I would accept GSP if he's coming back simply because it's GSP, he left as champion on a long win streak of title defences, I mean unless he actually says he wants to fight someone else I think the only fight you can give him is a title shot.

I'd love to see Woodley vs Wonderboy & GSP vs Maia on the same card, the 2 winners face each other.

Basically the main reason why I find the whole situation so laughable is because he said Nick Diaz deserved the first shot..

 

[LoganGambit87]

cant wait for this rematch

 

[LoganGambit87]

Robbie Lawler vs Donald Cerrone signed for UFC 205 in New York
http://www.mmamania.com/2016/9/7/12...ld-cerrone-signed-for-ufc-205-in-new-york-mma

 

[I'm Batman.]

Read that Dana said Cerrone/Lawler is official, but won't be the headliner. Only possible main event then is Alvarez/McGregor I guess.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well no it doesn't, inactivity in a division is still inactivity in a division regardless of whatever the reason is. Injury can be prevented & kept to a minimum, train better & train smarter. Aldo's had 5 UFC title fights cancelled, changed or postponed. 5.

It amuses me to no end that you in particular are calling me biased regarding McGregor.

I in particular do not like Conor. I have not hide this. This isn't a question of liking Conor on my part, because I am not making up a false equivalence to try and explain why Conor hasn't defended the title he won last December. You are.

What inactivity is based on clearly matters. Ask Jon Jones for example. It is not different that he had to pull out of 200 because of a failed drug test as opposed to being injured? If someone is jailed for say I don't know, trying to kill their ex-girlfriend, is that not different then being injured? You want to avoid the details because it shows that Conor is choosing not to fight at 145 and defend his title, something he has never done by the way. He has never actually defended the belt. And it is by choice.

Jose Aldo won the WEC Featherweight title in November 2009. He then defended the WEC/UFC Featherweight belt 10 times over 6 years. He had 2 title defense a year all but twice. Once in 2012, and the other in 2015. You can talk about his fights being postponed, but he defend the belt regularly. So how is that long term inactivity?

So based on nothing then.

I have seen this dance in boxing and MMA for over two decades now. Gunnar Nelson has trained with Conor and doesn't think he should go back down to 145. Mentioned the cut being nasty for Conor and this was in May.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Robbie Lawler vs Donald Cerrone signed for UFC 205 in New York
http://www.mmamania.com/2016/9/7/12...ld-cerrone-signed-for-ufc-205-in-new-york-mma

I can already feel the impact of their blows. This is going to be good.

 

[TheVileOne]

CM Punk looked terrible at the UFC 203 press conference today. I think he's getting destroyed this weekend, if he can even make weight.

Meanwhile, it looks like Miesha Tate is handling her title loss OK.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Looking good and saving kids. Miesha is my hero.

 

[LoganGambit87]

CM Punk looked terrible at the UFC 203 press conference today. I think he's getting destroyed this weekend, if he can even make weight.

in his interview with ariel helwani he said he never cut weight before and they didn't even do a test weight cut and wouldn't even say how much he currently weighed

wouldn't be surprised if he misses weight

 

[Slushy]

I'm a Punk fan, but he's not making it past the first round.

 

[LoganGambit87]

well punk made weight and he didn't look drained

 

[Lobo]

I give Punk just over a minute if he's lucky.

 

[I'm Batman.]

Lol Mickey's mind crumbled at Punk's murderface. I hope it's a good fight. Funny that he's just now got the look after many years.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I thought was funny is they couldn't stop billing him as CM Punk and showed one of his achievements as two time WWE Champion. They even kept using images of him in the WWE. It was rather embarrassing really.

 

[B]

I in particular do not like Conor. I have not hide this. This isn't a question of liking Conor on my part, because I am not making up a false equivalence to try and explain why Conor hasn't defended the title he won last December. You are.

What inactivity is based on clearly matters. Ask Jon Jones for example. It is not different that he had to pull out of 200 because of a failed drug test as opposed to being injured? If someone is jailed for say I don't know, trying to kill their ex-girlfriend, is that not different then being injured? You want to avoid the details because it shows that Conor is choosing not to fight at 145 and defend his title, something he has never done by the way. He has never actually defended the belt. And it is by choice.

Why is it a false equivalence? Because it's not the same opinion as yours?

Let me make my feelings on the matter crystal clear, I don't care whether a champion is fighting in another weight class, injured, on vacation, in jail, on trial, tangled up with USADA, getting married or having a child with their partner. Inactivity is still inactivity whatever the reason.

As far as I'm concerned all UFC titles should be defended at least once every 6 months, if this can't be done an interim title should be fought for by the next highest division ranking fight booked, then if champion cannot unify the 2 titles before say the 8th or 9th month, he would forfeit the title & the interim title holder would be promoted to undisputed champion. I believe, but don't quote me, the likes of the WBA, WBO, WBC & IBF have something loosely similar in place regarding their titles in regards to title defenses.

However in regards to the McGregor situation in particular, if the UFC decided to forcibly strip him of the title now for failing to defend the title in a certain period of time, completely fine. But I want to see a consistency with them stripping inactive champions after the same amount of time.

Jose Aldo won the WEC Featherweight title in November 2009. He then defended the WEC/UFC Featherweight belt 10 times over 6 years. He had 2 title defense a year all but twice. Once in 2012, and the other in 2015. You can talk about his fights being postponed, but he defend the belt regularly. So how is that long term inactivity?

Your logic is somewhat flawed, a champion could in theory fight & defend his title 5 times in a calendar year, in doing so does that give him a free pass to not defend again for the next year & a half as he'd still be averaging 2 defenses a year?

I have seen this dance in boxing and MMA for over two decades now. Gunnar Nelson has trained with Conor and doesn't think he should go back down to 145. Mentioned the cut being nasty for Conor and this was in May.

Not being able to make the weight anymore & having a tough cut are 2 completely different things. Cerrone's got an equally tough cut to 155 & has been fighting in a different weight class but you don't hear people saying he can't make the weight anymore.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Punk wins, I'm calling it.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Punk wins, I'm calling it.

I will be impressed if he makes it out of the first round

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Time to see if Punk can pull this off.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, Punk got mauled. Absolutely destroyed.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Damn, that was quick. No real surprise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Damn, that was quick. No real surprise.

Apparently he lost faster then James Toney. Now that is pretty embarrassing. Punk was tough as heck at least.

 

[Slushy]

Punk choked worse than the Golden State Warriors!