Official UFC Thread - Part 7

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LoganGambit87 said:
Reports: CM Punk More Than Doubled UFC 203's Pay-Per-View Revenue, Drawing Power Among MMA Elite

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattcon...e-drawing-power-among-mma-elite/#58e910e23921
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In regards to the article you posted I also read this -

Several fighters outraged about CM Punk’s $500,000 pay at UFC 203

You would think some of the fighters who responded on Twitter would understand how it works, the bigger a star you are, the more money you're going to make simply because your involvement in the card instantly makes it more of a financial success.

There is no doubt, even though he had no fighting experience & is by all accounts an amateur, he is still a bigger known entity & superstar than anyone who complained about it. Rory MacDonald I think was the biggest name to have a say I think & while he's well known in the MMA community he isn't a superstar on the same level as CM Punk.

I think part of the problem with a lot of the fighters that complain about money is they are kinda UFC Superstars, built up by the company & thus outside of it don't have much fame or notoriety to draw in another set of eyes to their fights. The better paid UFC fighters at each event tend to be the ones that have separated themselves from the company McGregor, GSP, Jones, Cormier etc.
 
I'm Venom said:
I can't see McGregor taking a fight against such a matchup like Alvarez with less than two months to prepare, plus doing any sort of media obligations that will be required for a fight of this magnitude. He just came off of a five round scrap with Diaz and had a bad injury too. He isn't training hard. Meanwhile, Alvarez is probably training like an animal assuming he'll fight McGregor at UFC 205, and if he doesn't fight him there will end up fighting him later on in the year.

I worry that the UFC will settle for Cormier vs. Johnson, Romero vs. Weidman, Evans vs. Kennedy, Cerrone vs. Ellenberger. Then, odds are one of those fights would be canceled due to an elevator incident.

While the card looks good on paper, it wouldn't hold a candle to the big-fight feel Alvarez/McGregor and all the fans that would come could bring to the event. That's why a date hasn't been announced yet. I guarantee the UFC is holding out to see if McGregor is fighting. That will make a difference in the gate, and all the fans would have to book flights to NYC.
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I don't think McGregor should take the Alvarez fight for the very reasons you've stated, I think I read that he said going into the Diaz fight his leg was already injured from practicing his leg kick techniques & the fight only aggravated further. If I recall the article said he has a 6 month medical suspension after the bout or sooner if he can prove his fitness & get medically cleared. On top of that Alvarez is a terrible matchup for him & one he shouldn't take if he isn't going to have enough time to heal his leg fully & get into fighting shape.

I think the card will probably be similar to UFC 200, I think they want to make it like a megashow since it's the debut in NY. Rumble's one of my favorite fighters at the minute so I'd love to see him fight Cormier there. Also in regards to Alvarez, I'd be happy if they let Cerrone fight Alvarez for the LW title, that would be a crazy good fight as well. I'm getting pumped for the card just thinking about some of the potential matchups.
 
B said:
I don't think McGregor should take the Alvarez fight for the very reasons you've stated, I think I read that he said going into the Diaz fight his leg was already injured from practicing his leg kick techniques & the fight only aggravated further. If I recall the article said he has a 6 month medical suspension after the bout or sooner if he can prove his fitness & get medically cleared. On top of that Alvarez is a terrible matchup for him & one he shouldn't take if he isn't going to have enough time to heal his leg fully & get into fighting shape.

I think the card will probably be similar to UFC 200, I think they want to make it like a megashow since it's the debut in NY. Rumble's one of my favorite fighters at the minute so I'd love to see him fight Cormier there. Also in regards to Alvarez, I'd be happy if they let Cerrone fight Alvarez for the LW title, that would be a crazy good fight as well. I'm getting pumped for the card just thinking about some of the potential matchups.
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205 is going to be a stacked card they have many options for their first MSG show. Alvarez/McGregor for the 155 belt would be awesome but I think McGregor needs another month or two
 
UFC 205's shaping up quite nicely, don't think they've announced the main or co-main event yet though have they?
 
B said:
In regards to the article you posted I also read this -

Several fighters outraged about CM Punk’s $500,000 pay at UFC 203

You would think some of the fighters who responded on Twitter would understand how it works, the bigger a star you are, the more money you're going to make simply because your involvement in the card instantly makes it more of a financial success.

There is no doubt, even though he had no fighting experience & is by all accounts an amateur, he is still a bigger known entity & superstar than anyone who complained about it. Rory MacDonald I think was the biggest name to have a say I think & while he's well known in the MMA community he isn't a superstar on the same level as CM Punk.

I think part of the problem with a lot of the fighters that complain about money is they are kinda UFC Superstars, built up by the company & thus outside of it don't have much fame or notoriety to draw in another set of eyes to their fights. The better paid UFC fighters at each event tend to be the ones that have separated themselves from the company McGregor, GSP, Jones, Cormier etc.
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If Miocic and Overeem get a bigger PPV bonus from having points, they can thank CM Punk for that. So that's how it helps other fighters.

James Toney got a similar payout for his one UFC fight too.

Lesnar had only one fight in MMA before he signed with the UFC. He went 1-1 in the Octagon and got an almost immediate title shot against Randy Couture after his lone win over Heath Herring.

A lot of hardcore purist fans were angry about that then and complained about it. But it helped the sport...so whatever.
 
TheVileOne said:
If Miocic and Overeem get a bigger PPV bonus from having points, they can thank CM Punk for that. So that's how it helps other fighters.

James Toney got a similar payout for his one UFC fight too.

Lesnar had only one fight in MMA before he signed with the UFC. He went 1-1 in the Octagon and got an almost immediate title shot against Randy Couture after his lone win over Heath Herring.

A lot of hardcore purist fans were angry about that then and complained about it. But it helped the sport...so whatever.
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Without question it will have had a superb effect on the PPV buys for the event & no doubt drew eyes that the event wouldn't have had without him. The UFC fighters & fans for that matter that dispute his payday claiming it's not right are in my opinion, morons. Fair enough he has no fighting experience & the fight was somewhat of a gimmick, but at the end of the day it's something people purchase for entertainment & what wouldn't have been right was the UFC signing him, his name having a big effect on the PPV buys then paying him say the same as Mickey Gall.

Whether or not he belonged on a main card & in that slot ahead of legitimate dues paid fighters is debatable, but the money he brought in & the money he earned is not.

If I recall correctly the reason Lesnar fought Couture was quite simply because Mir was locked up with Nogueira to do TUF then fight one another & I believe the only reason that fight took place was because wasn't Randy in some sort of contract wrangle to try & get out of his UFC contract to go fight Fedor, which they wouldn't release him to do. Then when they straightened that out the only real fight for Couture was Lesnar as he'd just mopped up Herring. The HW scene in general both inside & outside the UFC at the time was real slim pickings & even Fedor wasn't fighting anyone worth mentioning. Had Mir or Nogueria not been stuck into doing TUF one of them would have no doubt fought Couture before Lesnar I think.
 
B said:
Without question it will have had a superb effect on the PPV buys for the event & no doubt drew eyes that the event wouldn't have had without him. The UFC fighters & fans for that matter that dispute his payday claiming it's not right are in my opinion, morons. Fair enough he has no fighting experience & the fight was somewhat of a gimmick, but at the end of the day it's something people purchase for entertainment & what wouldn't have been right was the UFC signing him, his name having a big effect on the PPV buys then paying him say the same as Mickey Gall.

Whether or not he belonged on a main card & in that slot ahead of legitimate dues paid fighters is debatable, but the money he brought in & the money he earned is not.

If I recall correctly the reason Lesnar fought Couture was quite simply because Mir was locked up with Nogueira to do TUF then fight one another & I believe the only reason that fight took place was because wasn't Randy in some sort of contract wrangle to try & get out of his UFC contract to go fight Fedor, which they wouldn't release him to do. Then when they straightened that out the only real fight for Couture was Lesnar as he'd just mopped up Herring. The HW scene in general both inside & outside the UFC at the time was real slim pickings & even Fedor wasn't fighting anyone worth mentioning. Had Mir or Nogueria not been stuck into doing TUF one of them would have no doubt fought Couture before Lesnar I think.
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I can understand other fighters being upset with it. But they have to think about the value they bring to the sport. It's like Tyron Woodley thinks he can get all these money fights when he is in no way a huge draw or moneyweight fighters. But he thinks he can get those fights by calling out the guys who are, who really aren't active fighters at all even with GSP and Nick Diaz. The guys who are tough active contenders right now are the guys he doesn't want to fight.

That was hardly the only reason. Dana White and Fertita are not idiots. They knew once Lesnar had any sort of momentum and they worked out the dispute with Couture they had a freaking goldmine on their hands.
 
TheVileOne said:
I can understand other fighters being upset with it. But they have to think about the value they bring to the sport. It's like Tyron Woodley thinks he can get all these money fights when he is in no way a huge draw or moneyweight fighters. But he thinks he can get those fights by calling out the guys who are, who really aren't active fighters at all even with GSP and Nick Diaz. The guys who are tough active contenders right now are the guys he doesn't want to fight.

That was hardly the only reason. Dana White and Fertita are not idiots. They knew once Lesnar had any sort of momentum and they worked out the dispute with Couture they had a freaking goldmine on their hands.
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alot of fighters dont understand the game they fight in the sport but they dont understand it they forget that it is also entertainment instead of complaining about cm punk's pay worry about why your not getting paid that.

too many fighters complain about pay but the general audience dont even know their name going to train,give generic answers in interviews ,fight and go home is not gonna cut it anymore if you want to get paid.
 
TheVileOne said:
And good news. Tyron Woodley vs. Stephen Thompson is now scheduled for UFC 205 in NYC.

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/...ey-reveals-who-hes-fighting-at-ufc-205-091616
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So the plan for 205 is Alvarez/McGregor, Thompson/Woodley, Romero/Weidman, Edgar/Stephens, and Cerrone/Gastelum with Evans/Kennedy as main prelim?! Absurd card. Two title fights with the East Coast champion facing the biggest draw in the company in a champion vs. champion superfight in the main event, two former champions with NJ/NY roots in pivotal fights in their careers, and the top action fighter in the company getting a top 5 opponent. My fingers are crossed.
 
I'm Venom, keep in mind there's a very good chance some of those fights are going to fall apart. Case in point, UFC 200 ;) .
 
TheVileOne said:
I can understand other fighters being upset with it. But they have to think about the value they bring to the sport. It's like Tyron Woodley thinks he can get all these money fights when he is in no way a huge draw or moneyweight fighters. But he thinks he can get those fights by calling out the guys who are, who really aren't active fighters at all even with GSP and Nick Diaz. The guys who are tough active contenders right now are the guys he doesn't want to fight.
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It's one of the reasons I was against the UFC actually having their own official rankings, it creates problems in which guys who are ranked 1 & 2 automatically think they're next up for a shot, when in reality over the years he who gets the shot is decided on a case to case basis, usually on what the fans wanted most... and needless to say the fight the fans want most will be the one that generates the most money.

TheVileOne said:
That was hardly the only reason. Dana White and Fertita are not idiots. They knew once Lesnar had any sort of momentum and they worked out the dispute with Couture they had a freaking goldmine on their hands.
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Well people like to assume Lesnar was gifted a title shot because he was Brock Lesnar, but it was more a fortunate set of circumstances that presented itself for both Lesnar & the UFC. If Couture hadn't been in that contract wrangle, Nogueira would have fought Couture because he was the interim champion. But with Couture delaying a return the UFC signed Mir & Nog to coach TUF with Nog defending the interim title against Mir at the end. Meanwhile Lesnar beat Herring, Couture cleared up his contract issues & was suddenly without any credible challengers.

The Lesnar title shot wasn't quite the gift people make it out to be IMO. It was more a series of events that fell into place nicely for him & evidently the company.
 
B said:
It's one of the reasons I was against the UFC actually having their own official rankings, it creates problems in which guys who are ranked 1 & 2 automatically think they're next up for a shot, when in reality over the years he who gets the shot is decided on a case to case basis, usually on what the fans wanted most... and needless to say the fight the fans want most will be the one that generates the most money.
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Here is my problem with MMA rankings. IMHO they are pretty much a fundamentally flawed process.

The reason being is because top fighters get injured and they might suddenly find themselves on the shelf for a year or even longer. In that time, maybe someone they've beaten suddenly goes on an impressive streak and builds themselves up higher. And then you have other contenders who work their way up while inactive fighters still get to stay in the same place in the rankings despite their inactivity.

The thing is, it's not like a sports team. A sports team even if the top star is hurt, a team can still go out and play and get that win, loss or draw. But if a fighter gets hurt, they are hurt. An active fighter might fight four times a year or even two. With that in mind, it's difficult to get a pure and legitimate standing on the rankings in all division because this is a combat sport where guys can't fight every week. They can only fight once every few months or every six months.

The other problem is MMA math is never absolute. This is a game of styles. Fighter A might beat Fighter B. But then Fighter A will lose to Fighter C, and then Fighter C loses to Fighter B. We've seen that at multiple divisions before. So how do you get an accurate read on the rankings when the top guys are inconsistently trading wins and losses? It's harder than it seems.

My biggest problem with the official UFC rankings though is that the people who vote on the rankings, whenever a fighter makes it into the top five, the rankings journalists are loathe to let someone leave the top 5 even if they are on a losing streak.
 
TheVileOne said:
Here is my problem with MMA rankings. IMHO they are pretty much a fundamentally flawed process.

The reason being is because top fighters get injured and they might suddenly find themselves on the shelf for a year or even longer. In that time, maybe someone they've beaten suddenly goes on an impressive streak and builds themselves up higher. And then you have other contenders who work their way up while inactive fighters still get to stay in the same place in the rankings despite their inactivity.

The thing is, it's not like a sports team. A sports team even if the top star is hurt, a team can still go out and play and get that win, loss or draw. But if a fighter gets hurt, they are hurt. An active fighter might fight four times a year or even two. With that in mind, it's difficult to get a pure and legitimate standing on the rankings in all division because this is a combat sport where guys can't fight every week. They can only fight once every few months or every six months.

The other problem is MMA math is never absolute. This is a game of styles. Fighter A might beat Fighter B. But then Fighter A will lose to Fighter C, and then Fighter C loses to Fighter B. We've seen that at multiple divisions before. So how do you get an accurate read on the rankings when the top guys are inconsistently trading wins and losses? It's harder than it seems.

My biggest problem with the official UFC rankings though is that the people who vote on the rankings, whenever a fighter makes it into the top five, the rankings journalists are loathe to let someone leave the top 5 even if they are on a losing streak.
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pretty much sums of khabib
 
Sounds like Velasquez/Werdum II will go down at UFC 207 on December 30th. Would've preferred Velasquez get the title shot, but Miocic wants a break so whatever, he probably earned it fighting three times in nine months. DC is trying to get the Rumble fight on the 207 card as well.
 
Ugh...I get that Khabib is 23-0, I can respect going that long in MMA without a loss, but Sylvia went like 16-0 as well...Khabib literally has one good win on his resume which was like three years ago against RDA. The only reason that's a big win is because of what RDA did after that loss so you know MMAth and all that...But beating a scrub (which was his only fight in the last two years). I'm just not feeling this, and there has to be something more to the story as to why they're not going to do the obvious, Featherweight vs. Lightweight championship fight with Alvarez vs. McGregor. Could we be seeing the trilogy end at 205 with Diaz vs. McGregor winner gets title shot against Alvarez/Khabib winner? But then what's the point of putting Ferguson in a fight with RDA? I'm really hoping to see someone put his lights out; hopefully, Alvarez is the guy to do it. So, does this mean Aldo vs. McGregor 2 is happening? Has to.
 
Alvarez didn't sign for 205 apparently but they want Alvarez/Khabib in Toronto for 206. I'm going to guess that they'll be going with Aldo vs. McGregor II then, but can't see it before Superbowl weekend because of the weight cut. And I can't see Cormier saving another big show on short notice so soon after 200. So I'm predicting the underwhelming main event of Thompson vs. Woodley with Cruz/Garbrandt as chief support with the card getting the hype over the main.
 
Romero/Weidman apparently still isn't signed for UFC 205.

Two title fights are set for the fight. Welterweight and women's strawweight. Also Miesha Tate vs. Raquel Pennington, Kelvin Gastelum vs. Donald Cerrone, and Rashad Evans vs. Tim Kennedy.
 
Cyborg just destroyed a human being. Ronda don't want none.
 
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