Official UFC Thread - Part 7

[DarthSkywalker]

I really don't think you really appreciate just how badly Nate hurt Conor. He was out on his feet, staggering backwards barely staying upright when Nate caught him. I'm sure there was a little bit of panic, but he did not start fighting backwards because he panicked & didn't know how to handle someone stronger than him, that's complete nonsense, he started getting pushed back & inviting Nate to walk him down because he was so clearly hurt, Nate knew it as well.

You're also I think kinda confusing being rocked with getting stunned. Like you say you've seen Anderson & Wanderlei recover instantly, you don't recover instantly from being as badly rocked as Conor was. I'm pretty sure I've seen all of Anderson's fights & the majority of Wanderlei's & I don't think I've ever seen ever of them as badly hurt as Conor clearly was, I've seen them both get stunned in which they've been hit & lost their balance or been dropped, but not to the point in which they visibly looked out of it almost staggering the way Conor was.

I think the problem is our different definitions of a chin. For me, and how I have always seen it described, is how much damage a fighter can absorb and continue to fight at a quality level. Two different fighters can take the same shot, and react differently. Nate rocked Conor, and it was over. Conor lost his wits and couldn't recover over nearly 90s seconds, even though he was very capable of moving.

That those two shots rocked Conor is the problem. It was good, but that Conor reacted so poorly to it and couldn't recover is the problem. Not everyone caught with such a shot reacts that way, just like not everyone caught with a shot reacts like GSP losing it against Serra.

So by your logic then because Nate Diaz was badly rocked by Josh Thomson's headkick & couldn't recover instantly from that, his chin also isn't that good?

I have seen Wand and Anderson knocked out. I have also seen them both badly hurt without being finished and recover to win.

Anyone can be knocked out no matter how good their chin is. But Nate has been in wars that have tested their chins and they have shown great durability. This was like the first time we have seen Conor fight someone he wasn't much bigger then, and he folded. He doesn't have the track record of other fighters.

How am I wrong? How would McGregor have stood a better chance of surviving the remaining minute or whatever it was of the round when he was eating strong stiff jabs, straights & short hooks at will from Diaz? He stood a much better chance of surviving the remaining time by trying to get into some sort of grappling exchange which he could stall. It ended badly but obviously the clear smart thing to do if he wanted to make it to the next round was to try and get hold of Nate to try & prevent any further damage.

Because Conor isn't a grappler. His horrible shot followed by how easily Nate got mount, followed by taking his back and choking him out proved that. He took less damage standing then he did when he got on the mat.

You are working with this theory that Conor can grappled with an unhurt Nate. Why? His best plan was too stay and his feet and keep away, run if necessary. The Diaz Bros. aren't even great at cutting off the cage, so it wouldn't have been as hard as trying to grapple with a guy much, much, much better then you are.

I know as much about Conor's training as I do Nate's for the fight because they've both been candid about it in the abundance of interviews they've both done.

What about this forced Conor to say he could take Nate on the mat?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cowboy's 4 hit combo for the finish was:

 

[Reek]

i wish i could watch the fight... $60 is a big chunk of change though.. I spent it on Rousey getting kicked into hell

 

[DarthSkywalker]

BS decision. Nate won the third and fifth, easily. The third he won 10-8. I hate judges who don't have the damn brains to judge a round 10-8 or 10-10. The best Conor could have got was a draw.

Conor gassed like crazy again. He can't handle the pace. If Nate had been trying for the takedown earlier, he would have finished him. Damnit.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

Right decision. 3 knockdowns and stuffed a blackbelt BJJ takedowns for 5 rounds.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Right decision. 3 knockdowns and stuffed a blackbelt BJJ takedowns for 5 rounds.

Nate didn't try to take him down for the first two or maybe even 3 rounds. Also all the knockdowns came early, and he did nothing with them. He was lighting up Nate for a round and half, and then suddenly physically shutdown for the next round and half. Also the Diazs' family TDs suck. So it wasn't the biggest accomplishment. Conor also literally started running away from Nate.

I wish Nate had pressed on him earlier, physically. Conor gassed himself throwing leg kicks. Leg kicks. If Nate got close and cliched early, he probably finishes.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Nate didn't try to take him down for the first two or maybe even 3 rounds. Also all the knockdowns came early, and he did nothing with them. He was lighting up Nate for a round and half, and then suddenly physically shutdown for the next round and half. Also the Diazs' family TDs suck. So it wasn't the biggest accomplishment.

I wish Nate had pressed on him earlier, physically. Conor gassed himself throwing leg kicks. Leg kicks. If Nate got close and cliched early, he probably finishes.

It was the right call. Conor won and now we have a trilogy ....eventually

 

[LoganGambit87]

i had it Diaz 2,3,5

but business wise this was the best case scenario - conor gets his win back,great back and forth close fight,can do a trilogy now

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It was the right call. Conor won and now we have a trilogy ....eventually

Conor wins if you don't award the domination in the third round. Where Conor did two things, got hit and ran.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

i had it Diaz 2,3,5

but business wise this was the best case scenario - conor gets his win back,great back and forth close fight,can do a trilogy now

I wonder how good it is for business outside of a trilogy fight, which would be huge. This fight finally did away with Conor's aura imo. He threw everything he had, and couldn't take Nate out. He gassed, again and halfway through the fight literally started running from Nate. I think Conor struggles mighty with the best at 155. And that is what is crazy about this. Nate is barely a top 10 guy 155. You could argue he isn't.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Conor wins if you don't award the domination in the third round. Where Conor did two things, got hit and ran.

Or you look at most mma pundits scorecards. Who also have Conor winning

 

[LoganGambit87]

I wonder how good it is for business outside of a trilogy fight, which would be huge. This fight finally did away with Conor's aura imo. He threw everything he had, and couldn't take Nate out. He gassed, again and halfway through the fight literally started running from Nate. I think Conor struggles mighty with the best at 155. And that is what is crazy about this. Nate is barely a top 10 guy 155. You could argue he isn't.

yup i think someone like Khabib at 155 would maul him with takedowns

 

[B]

Superb main event, it went exactly as I thought, when it was a technical fight Conor is/was the clearly superior striker by a large margin, was picking apart Nate at will in the 1st & the majority of the 2nd round dropping him on a couple of occasions. It was only when McGregor started to fatigue & the fight became more of a scrappy affair did Diaz start to come into the bout.

The fight was a good advert not to fight at a weight that you walk around at or at a comfortable weight, Conor clearly was running on fumes by the end of the 2nd/mid-3rd round & even Nate looked lethargic hense is inability to capitalise on Conor being so flat footed. If the fight was at 155lbs, yes it's a slightly tougher cut for Nate but I think both of them would have been able to keep their pace into 3rd, 4th & 5th more if they weren't carrying that extra timber.

The decision was 100% correct, it was a close fight, I had McGregor 1st, 2nd & 4th, with Diaz 3rd & 5th. There were definitely no 10-8 rounds in this fight, just more 1 sided 10-9 rounds, the 1st for McGregor & the 3rd for Diaz.

 

[Slushy]

Conor wasn't going to lose again. His legacy was at stake, lol.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Superb main event, it went exactly as I thought, when it was a technical fight Conor is/was the clearly superior striker by a large margin, was picking apart Nate at will in the 1st & the majority of the 2nd round dropping him on a couple of occasions. It was only when McGregor started to fatigue & the fight became more of a scrappy affair did Diaz start to come into the bout.

The fight was a good advert not to fight at a weight that you walk around at or at a comfortable weight, Conor clearly was running on fumes by the end of the 2nd/mid-3rd round & even Nate looked lethargic hense is inability to capitalise on Conor being so flat footed. If the fight was at 155lbs, yes it's a slightly tougher cut for Nate but I think both of them would have been able to keep their pace into 3rd, 4th & 5th more if they weren't carrying that extra timber.

The decision was 100% correct, it was a close fight, I had McGregor 1st, 2nd & 4th, with Diaz 3rd & 5th. There were definitely no 10-8 rounds in this fight, just more 1 sided 10-9 rounds, the 1st for McGregor & the 3rd for Diaz.

100& correct

 

[Poetic Chaos]

He was doing the walk away back turned routine early and people saw it for what it was, a taunt. All of a sudden it's running away because Nate had some momentum.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Superb main event, it went exactly as I thought, when it was a technical fight Conor is/was the clearly superior striker by a large margin, was picking apart Nate at will in the 1st & the majority of the 2nd round dropping him on a couple of occasions. It was only when McGregor started to fatigue & the fight became more of a scrappy affair did Diaz start to come into the bout.

The fight was a good advert not to fight at a weight that you walk around at or at a comfortable weight, Conor clearly was running on fumes by the end of the 2nd/mid-3rd round & even Nate looked lethargic hense is inability to capitalise on Conor being so flat footed. If the fight was at 155lbs, yes it's a slightly tougher cut for Nate but I think both of them would have been able to keep their pace into 3rd, 4th & 5th more if they weren't carrying that extra timber.

The decision was 100% correct, it was a close fight, I had McGregor 1st, 2nd & 4th, with Diaz 3rd & 5th. There were definitely no 10-8 rounds in this fight, just more 1 sided 10-9 rounds, the 1st for McGregor & the 3rd for Diaz.

No fighter benefits from a weight cut outside of physical domination over smaller fighter. A weight cut only hurts stamina do to re-hydration. Conor wouldn't have more gas at 155 then he does at 170.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

No fighter benefits from a weight cut outside of physical domination over smaller fighter. A weight cut only hurts stamina do to re-hydration. Conor wouldn't have more gas at 155 then he does at 170.

I have to ask. What's your athletic background D?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He was doing the walk away back turned routine early and people saw it for what it was, a taunt. All of a sudden it's running away because Nate had some momentum.

Nope, it changed. He was clearly avoiding Nate at that point. Something happened in the second, an adrenaline dump or something else, and because of it he stopped throwing leg kicks for like 7 mins. It was also obvious because he stopped throwing back and Nate was putting him on the cage. Why would Conor just randomly go to the cage in the middle of a round when he didn't do it before?

Or you look at most mma pundits scorecards. Who also have Conor winning

Outside of Jordan Breen, who I think does the best job with scoring, I don't find much great scoring out of MMA pundits. A lot of them score a fight how they think the judges will, as opposed to how the fight goes. And even if Breen thought Conor won here, I'd disagree. Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[LoganGambit87]

it all depends on how you saw round 2 diaz got knocked down but he was wailing on conor for a good 30 seconds or so with no defense to end the round

i thought diaz did enough to win that round but not mad if you thought otherwise

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have to ask. What's your athletic background D?

Why is this relevant?

 

[B]

No fighter benefits from a weight cut outside of physical domination over smaller fighter. A weight cut only hurts stamina do to re-hydration. Conor wouldn't have more gas at 155 then he does at 170.

Carrying additional weight hurts it even more. If you want a practical test to help understand the science behind the theory, go do 3 sets of 20 wide grip pullups. Wait 1 whole day, then go do the exact same but this time strap a 5kg-10kg plate around your waist.

Once you've done that, then come back to me & try to argue that the one without the weight was equally as draining as with the weight.

 

[B]

Why is this relevant?

Because you're talking nonsense.

 

[Shawn Wayne]

Because you're talking nonsense.

Not trying to be mean, but yes

 

[B]

it all depends on how you saw round 2 diaz got knocked down but he was wailing on conor for a good 30 seconds or so with no defense to end the round

i thought diaz did enough to win that round but not mad if you thought otherwise

Well the only reason I gave the 2nd to Conor was simply because the majority of that round was Conor in control picking him apart dropping Nate twice in the process. I don't think that flurry Nate had near the end against the cage was enough to win him that round personally, but that's why fighters try to finish rounds strong to try & sway that 1 judge that could make the difference into giving them the round.