Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

Enthusiasm is for fans of a less cynical medium than comics.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

like........

 

[Anubis]

Beanie Baby collecting.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

 

[Scarecrow_King]

This is something I definitely wanna read, but since it's not current continuity, I'm thinking I'll just wait for the inevitable hardback that'll sit nicely next to the first one I have on my shelf.

that is, unless Spoons is mailing these things out for free.

 

[Dread]

I loves me some Young Avengers and some Paul Cornell, but yeah, Dark Reign: Young Avengers was not very good. It wasn't a bad story or anything, but it focused mostly on the very uninteresting Young Masters and felt pretty pointless when all was said and done.

I'm still deciding whether I'll actually pick up The Children's Crusade. It might be good, but it has like 4 strikes against it before the first issue's even hit the stands--took forever to start, bi-monthly, Cheung's not finished so it'll most likely be delayed even more, it was in development so long that now it has to exist in its own little continuity bubble. Maybe I'll just wait a year or two until it's actually finished and pick up the trade.

DARK REIGN: YOUNG AVENGERS was a misfire to me. It had some moments but I agree it was not terribly good. It focused too much on the Young Masters, but they weren't all that interesting. Frankly, the "Bastards of Evil" from YOUNG ALLIES sound cooler.

9 issues on a bi-monthly schedule; that's 18 months to see completion. Now I could understand Alex Ross taking two years of our time with JUSTICE; he paints, and he's a high profile talent, the sort who can ask for absurd indulgences. I don't think Heinberg or Cheung are. Besides...very, very few stories are worth nine chapters. I have yet to read a story that was 9 chapters written at any point this century that was worth all nine chapters, that didn't seem at least 1-3 issues too long. Hell, I've read my share of 6 part arcs that felt needlessly long.

Although it may just be 9 issues as 9 issues, not as one long arc, but who knows. I do ask...why does Wolverine, out of all mutants or Avengers give a damn about finding Scarlet Witch? It actually would make more sense if Heinberg canonized X-MEN: FIRST CLASS a bit and had Archangel tag along, since supposedly they dated briefly as teenagers.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Dread, Wolverine is just there to gut Wanda when they find her

 

[Scarecrow_King]

the new Vision has the same programming as the original, right? maybe he and Wanda will have more fake babies.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The new Vision has the data of the old Vision, but the brain engrams of Iron Lad, a.k.a. Kang, instead of Wonder Man. He remembers the things the original Vision did, but dispassionately, like an observer who witnessed the original Vision's entire life without feeling anything about it. He's a different person and I think he's already mentioned that he's not attracted to Wanda.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

ah, thanks Corp. its been a while since I've read the original run, but I think i'm gonna go back and do that this weekend. get stoked for TCC.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Didn't Vision get separated from Iron Lad in Mighty Avengers though?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No. They were never joined to begin with. Vision 2.0's mind was just built on the brain engrams of Iron Lad, the same way the original Vision's mind was built on the brain engrams of Wonder Man, Jocasta's was built on those of the Wasp, and Ultron's was built on those of Hank Pym. None of the synthetic characters are in any way linked to the organic ones except that their personalities used the organic characters' personalities as an initial springboard. They're all very much their own beings because they have their own unique experiences and their minds don't work in the same way.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Corp everybody, Nerd Supreme

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Thank you. And may I remind you that we're all posting on a website dedicated to comics and superheroes for hours per day.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I can take the title away if you don't want it! Ungrateful Supreme

 

[Darthphere]

He's actually Geek Supreme as Nerd Supreme would imply that he's intelligent and not just pathetic for knowing that much about comics.

Not judging or anything.

 

[Darthphere]

Just sayin'

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Thanks for the clarification. You are The Clarificator

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

No. They were never joined to begin with. Vision 2.0's mind was just built on the brain engrams of Iron Lad, the same way the original Vision's mind was built on the brain engrams of Wonder Man, Jocasta's was built on those of the Wasp, and Ultron's was built on those of Hank Pym. None of the synthetic characters are in any way linked to the organic ones except that their personalities used the organic characters' personalities as an initial springboard. They're all very much their own beings because they have their own unique experiences and their minds don't work in the same way.

...............what?

Clarificator, care to...clarify?

 

[Anubis]

I don't think it can be explained any clearer than that.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

You know, I reread it, and it's actually quite simple... my bad.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

He's actually Geek Supreme as Nerd Supreme would imply that he's intelligent and not just pathetic for knowing that much about comics.

Not judging or anything.

I would punch anyone who suggests I'm intelligent in the groin.

 

[NightBeetle]

Heinberg Leads The "Children's Crusade"

They say youth is wasted on the young, but in the case of Marvel Comics Young Avengers franchise, keeping the teenage versions of Earth's Mightiest Heroes in high school has been a boon for getting more stories into the Marvel U. Since their introduction in 2005, Wiccan, Patriot, Hulking and the rest of the next generation heroes have kept a stable foot in the publisher's biggest events even as fans of that first book have waited for co-creators Allan Heinberg and Jimmy Cheung to return to the team full time. That wait finally ends on July 8 with "Avengers: The Children's Crusade" – an nine-issue, bi-monthly comic that's part and parcel of Marvel's Heroic Age branding. the writer and artist spoke to CBR about the series in April, and today, Marvel set up another of its "Next Big Thing" conference calls for members of the press to talk to Heinberg and VP Executive Editor Tom Brevoort about the series, and CBR News is on hand LIVE! to bring you constant updates from the call. So scroll on for all the news, and remember to keep refreshing your browser for more on "Avengers: The Children's Crusade."


The call started with some importance being placed on the Scarlet Witch. "We're looking for the Scarlet Witch, essentiall," Heinberg said. "We try to figure out where she is and what happened to her and whether or not she's able to rejoin the Marvel Universe." "We've hinted and teased and messed around with this in the past," said Brevoort before confirming. "We are going to find her...her whereabouts and circumstances and all surrounding her...will form the backbone and the spine of this story." He added that "we'll discover where she's been, what she's up to" and "all the boot-quaking potential" she holds for the heroes in the universe."


"It feels very much like we just picked up where we left off creatively," the writer said of his collaboration with Cheung. Brevoort jumped in to joke, "It doesn't feel like much of a reunion because we've been working on this for two years now." He added that Cheung is in the fourth issue of pencils while Heinberg has scripted through issue six and that they're "relatively confident" the series will ship on its bi-monthly schedule. Heinberg is keeping the panel count per page down to give Cheung breathing room, especially considering a large cast that involves the Young Avengers, the Avengers, the X-Men and more. "We're walking a fine line here."


As for the setting and role of the book in the larger Marvel Universe, Brevoort said, "There's a point we've been making in every single conversation we've had publicly about the project: 'Children's Crusade' is set 'right now' in the Marvel Universe. It is the post-Siege, Heroic Age Marvel Universe...HOWEVER because we began work on this book about two years ago, we had to take the best educated guess we could as to where certain elements shake out, and over the course of two years some things are in a slightly different place now." The major issues of change were different costumes for Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, but Brevoort promised that by the end of nine issues an explanation would be made for these changes, and they would be reconciled in the story just as the story would create waves in other modern Marvel books. "We though it would be better to get the books out, and this is the price you pay."

The final status of Scarlet Witch and who she would side with came up with Brevoort saying too many questions existed now to know for sure including "Is she going to be anywhere at the end of this? Is she going to be in any shape at the end of this? Has she been pulling strings in the Marvel Universe for months?" He did say that a number of villains would be looking to draw the Witch to their side. "There are at least two world-class, you'd recognize them if you saw them on a street, villainous characters that are involved in the course of the series. I think one of them is relatively obvious, and the other is less so."
Heinberg added that one element from Brian Michael Bendis' "House of M" story that would play in would be how the Scarlet Witch's existence tears the expectations for heroes and villains apart. "The idea of Wanda and what she represents and the enormous amount of power she wields sort of calls into question who's a hero and who's a villain in the Marvel Universe." For example, Magneto operating as a concerned father and new member of the X-Men will shift fan perception of the character while the conflict impacts the Young Avengers growing sense of self.

 

[Kevin]

Yea, A story that will take almost two years to tell. No thank you.