Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[S. Grundy]

also, in X1, when Xavier takes Wolverine on a tour of the school, he refers to Scott, Jean, and Storm as "some of my 1st students."

obviously, First Class is breaking that continuity, since those 3 are NOT in the "first class."

I could see them as the 2nd class, though.

Some being the key word, there's wiggle room.

 

[Moofafoo]

Can you actually link me to someone involved who's actually ever said this EVER?

Ignoring X-Men Origins Wolverine has never been confirmed by anyone involved in the movie

 

[Hogdog]

This stuff about it not being in continuity and retconning XOW and Last Stand pisses me off. Why is it so odd to think that the events of XOW might not have a bearing on the sequel?............This sets the opening for X-men 1 where they're talking about mutant registration!

I agree. A degree of continuity must be maintained and there is lots of ways to do it and I'm sure the writing pros can handle it.

I think though that they shouldve [BLACKOUT]just had Cable or Bishop go back in time and tell Xavier that suppressing Jean's telepathic power results in their deaths[/BLACKOUT] and the end of the world blah blah. Then rewrite the whole thing with Jean becoming the Phoenix unhindered by Xavier.

 

[Moofafoo]

But I have seen both Donner and Singer say they dont want to introduce space and time travel?

There are still many ways to do it? There's ways to explain everything, to get from the end of XMFC to the start of X1 and taking XOWolverine into account.

Look I know theres lots of X-men comic fans who weren't happy with Last Stand or Wolverine but I know lots more X-men MOVIE fans who enjoyed them. Anyone who really thinks there gonna be just ignored isn't facing reality

 

[Deaths Head II]

I doubt most people are going to cry about events in Wolverine being ignored. Most people are probably going to forget about it like they forgot all the continuity issues Wolverine itself brought up.

 

[Nokio]

Shadow King is the only character I could see working. As a physical threat to Magneto in the real world and fighting Xavier on the Astral Plane simultaneous.


I hope he just means major character. Xavier's team needs another strong female mutant character.

You do know the Shadow King has no body and only exist is Astral form and to operate in the physical world he has to posses someone. I don't know what kinda of a threat he is to Magneto with the helmut protecting him. Shadow King has the same powers as Prof X. I guess if he is controlling another mutant then he could be a physical threat to Mags, but i don't see it being him.

The Shadow King should be used because he's the reason Prof X formed the Xmen because he was the 1st bad mutant he encountered but Fox thru that out the window. The Shadow King is a Prof X villian. I've never known him to deal with Magneto. He encountered him when he met Storm as a little girl in Africa.

 

[Nokio]

How about we give up trying to explain the continuity problem. FOX painted themselves into a corner, so now they have to go this route. The best route to be taken is the FOX TURNS OVER THE RITES BACK TO MARVEL

 

[Nokio]

Is Fox throwing out that Emma Frost is an Xmen? After this movie if she is back she should be heading over to the Xmen. I've given up hope of mutants actually being in their right time periods or places in the x universe. I'm already pissed that their is an Hellfire club but not all the members present and they aren't battling the correct Xteam.

 

[psyonic]

Is Fox throwing out that Emma Frost is an Xmen? After this movie if she is back she should be heading over to the Xmen. I've given up hope of mutants actually being in their right time periods or places in the x universe. I'm already pissed that their is an Hellfire club but not all the members present and they aren't battling the correct Xteam.

You must have been pissed since X-Men 1 came out. 11 years of bitterness.

 

[insane polaris]

Is Fox throwing out that Emma Frost is an Xmen? After this movie if she is back she should be heading over to the Xmen. I've given up hope of mutants actually being in their right time periods or places in the x universe. I'm already pissed that their is an Hellfire club but not all the members present and they aren't battling the correct Xteam.

Emma spent longer being a villian than she has a x-men so thats why shes probs not an x-man in this.

 

[X-Maniac]

Is Fox throwing out that Emma Frost is an Xmen? After this movie if she is back she should be heading over to the Xmen. I've given up hope of mutants actually being in their right time periods or places in the x universe. I'm already pissed that their is an Hellfire club but not all the members present and they aren't battling the correct Xteam.

There's always room for those things in future. The Hellfire Club is an organisation that probably has many members and could easily return in another film.

Part of the brilliance of this film is leaving you wanting to see where things go next. That surprised me, considering that it was marketed as a prequel so we know how it all ends, but in fact it also feels like a reboot/reinvention that could include so much more we haven't yet seen.

 

[X-Maniac]

But I have seen both Donner and Singer say they dont want to introduce space and time travel?

Well, those things could be introduced. Since the years after First Class lead to men going to the moon and the space race etc, it could be an opportunity to add space travel...

As for time travel, that might be introduced if ever they do Days of Future Past in an X4 (which would also be perfect for Sentinels and Cable).

There are still many ways to do it? There's ways to explain everything, to get from the end of XMFC to the start of X1 and taking XOWolverine into account.

Look I know theres lots of X-men comic fans who weren't happy with Last Stand or Wolverine but I know lots more X-men MOVIE fans who enjoyed them. Anyone who really thinks there gonna be just ignored isn't facing reality

First Class feels like it belongs with all the existing movies, yet is also a reinvention. There is plenty of room for exploration, which may or may not restrict itself to what was established already. First Class feels like it establishes its own world, its own path, and the potential is endless...

 

[Nokio]

Emma spent longer being a villian than she has a x-men so thats why shes probs not an x-man in this.

Sorry buddy, Emma has been with the Xmen longer then she was a villian. Her first appearence was in 1980 in the Xmen as a villian with the hellfire club. 1994 she joined Prof X and he put her and Banshee in charge of the school to train the next gen of mutants. Generation X 1 came out in 1994 and she has been part of the Xmen ever sense. 1980-1993 is 13 years. 1994-2011 is 17 years. Even during her time fram on the other side she wasn't a heavily featured mutant that the Xmen battled on a regular basis. I'd also point out that she was out of commission and in a coma for a few years before 1993.

This is also the movieverse so things need to be shortened. I wouldn't be surprised if she is part of the Xmen or join Xavier in a sequel to 1st class. Frost is one of the most popular female characters in comics and on the Xmen, it'll be insane for FOX not to put her on the team. But then again this FOX is we are talking about.

 

[Nokio]

So Vaughan is adding another mutant, one he says that will be able to be a match enough for Magneto. I don't think it'll be another villian. It'll probably be an Xmen. Maybe Polaris since Havok is there. If it's a male I can only think of Sunfire right now. Someone mentioned they were supposed to include Synch in this movie and since he can duplicate any mutant's power he'd be good but I doubt it'll be him. Probably be a female character so I go with Polaris. Since this is FOX she won't be Magneto's daughter.

I think Emma will also return and be with the Xavier. Vaughan said he didn't want to introduce anymore new characters but 1. They should have another female on the team. It'll be Emma probably and maybe Sunfire for new character.

 

[Marvin]

Wolverine!!!

 

[Nokio]

You must have been pissed since X-Men 1 came out. 11 years of bitterness.

Nah dude, I don't hold on to $h!t like that. Just complain when the movie comes out and I see the crap that FOX does and talk on the boards. I just find it uncalled for to make changes for no reason in comic films. I give a lot of leway and I've said many times that changes are needed in some cases to adapt comics to the big screen. People was upset over Spidey having organic webshooters, I defended it.

I won't go all out in mentioning changes but I will say that FOX has screwed up the most and it baffles me. They just seem to change things for the nothing other then the sake of change with no logical reason behind it. The F4 films are another fine point to back up my claims. Not every change in the X films was bad but most of them were. It just makes me wonder does anyone that have a say in these films actually pick up an xmen book and look up some history. Prime example, Moira is not a world renown genetic DR but instead she's some CIA operative. Why did they need to change her position?? What was the point. I can see if it's easing the story in some capicity but it's not, especially when their is an actual GOV FEMALE AGENT THAT WORKS IN THE MUTANT AFFAIRS DIVISION NAME AGENT VALERIE COOPER. A character that has a long history in the Xbooks and popular enough in her own right.

It's whatever though. I read a lot of comments from Singer and some from Vaughan and it seems these guys are adding their own spin to the xmen cause they can and along with FOX. Mavel has no creative power and it's why we get the movies we get. Singer went on board Superman with his take and the movie's success was so so because of him. Singer is a blight on these films. This guy shouldn't be allowed to touch a Superhero flick. I said back before SUperman came that it was going to be mediocre, while everyone was gushing over Singer being on board. Everyone complained about X3 and blamed Ratner. I'm not so a sure a Singer directed X3 wouldn't have been much different. Singer left an outline. Ratner got blamed unfairly. The guy was brought on to just shoot the film. The script and outline was already done and it had Singer's input.

 

[Sentinel X]

i dont think they're really going for continuity with the previous x-films...
seeing as how mystique and beast are already older teens in this. that would make them like 60 yrs old now.
plus jean and cyclops should have been born already and be the same age, they were the first.

i dont care if they are not in this film, i accepted that long ago because i understood why vaughn would distance himself from whats already been done.

Well Mystique has a really unusually mutation so maybe she ages significantly slower than normal people however Beast looked like he was in his 60s in X3. At the same time what doesn't make sense is that if thats really [BLACKOUT]storm[/BLACKOUT] we see in the featurette, that would make her about 50 years old!! There is no way she is that old in the original trilogy.

I say Jean, Scott, and Ororo were all born late 60s to early 70s. In addition the cameo should probably not be taken too seriously.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Prime example, Moira is not a world renown genetic DR but instead she's some CIA operative. Why did they need to change her position?? What was the point. I can see if it's easing the story in some capicity but it's not, especially when their is an actual GOV FEMALE AGENT THAT WORKS IN THE MUTANT AFFAIRS DIVISION NAME AGENT VALERIE COOPER. A character that has a long history in the Xbooks and popular enough in her own right.

If it serves the story, there's nothing wrong with changing Moira's profession.

Marvel did the exact same thing in Thor. They changed Jane Foster's profession from a nurse/doctor to a scientist/astrophysicist and it worked.

Everyone complained about X3 and blamed Ratner. I'm not so a sure a Singer directed X3 wouldn't have been much different. Singer left an outline. Ratner got blamed unfairly. The guy was brought on to just shoot the film. The script and outline was already done and it had Singer's input.

Not true.

Singer never left an outline. Once he left the franchise, he took his treatment (for X3) with him before it was ever presented to the studio. Lauren Shuler-Donner has mentioned this before.

Singer had nothing to do with any part of X3 and yes, his version would have been quite different.

 

[insane polaris]

Sorry buddy, Emma has been with the Xmen longer then she was a villian. Her first appearence was in 1980 in the Xmen as a villian with the hellfire club. 1994 she joined Prof X and he put her and Banshee in charge of the school to train the next gen of mutants. Generation X 1 came out in 1994 and she has been part of the Xmen ever sense. 1980-1993 is 13 years. 1994-2011 is 17 years. Even during her time fram on the other side she wasn't a heavily featured mutant that the Xmen battled on a regular basis. I'd also point out that she was out of commission and in a coma for a few years before 1993.

This is also the movieverse so things need to be shortened. I wouldn't be surprised if she is part of the Xmen or join Xavier in a sequel to 1st class. Frost is one of the most popular female characters in comics and on the Xmen, it'll be insane for FOX not to put her on the team. But then again this FOX is we are talking about.

Ah yes, I forgot about Gen X. I never read it and its never really mentioned in the comics, so I always forget about it.

But still I dont think she will be an X-man in the movies. There will be too many telepaths on the good side, say if they introduce Jean as well.

Plus Emma is also a heavy hitter (Diamond form), so that replaces another x-men on the team.

Its more logical for her to remain a villian in the movies, unless they make her intentions hidden.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm sure there will be more than "only one new character". This is an X-men film. We will see new student recruits at least.

One more thing, the general public doesn't really care about the finer details. They watch a movie, usually once, and then move on with their lives.

 

[Nokio]

Ah yes, I forgot about Gen X. I never read it and its never really mentioned in the comics, so I always forget about it.

But still I dont think she will be an X-man in the movies. There will be too many telepaths on the good side, say if they introduce Jean as well.

Plus Emma is also a heavy hitter (Diamond form), so that replaces another x-men on the team.

Its more logical for her to remain a villian in the movies, unless they make her intentions hidden.

I guess that could work but i don't want to see her as a villain again. She makes for an interesting choice on the xmen and if written as well as she is in the comics she could be fun on the Xteam. Their has been good chemistry between her and the others like Storm, Logan, Scott, Iceman, and so on. She is far more interesting then Jean Grey. I like Jean but she just bores me to tears, Jean was only ever interesting during the Dark Phoenix saga and despite numerous attempts from different writers this woman is still boring. She not even missed and has been dead again for 7 years now. Emma being stuck in the 60's is also the reason I'm upset over her being used. They have displaced her and made her a contemporary of Xavier and Magneto. It is what it is, but despite her not interacting with the popular team line up and is now in Xavier's age range she would still be interesting to be with him and the other students. It'll be great to see him and her clash, cause Xavier has a moral compass and he doesn't like to invade peoples' mind or take control of them when it suites him where as Emma does. He knows she's not evil but he does have issues with the way she goes about things. I think it'll make for some entertaining moments between the two. He's telling her that's not the right thing to do and she telling him why have power if you're not going to use it. Also her Diamond form gives her the abilty to also fight on a physical level. Just a thought.

Emma as a villain doesn't work because she has always been nothing more then an underling for Shaw. She's never hatched any plans or devised schemes against the Xmen, she's never been the big bad behind anything in the Marvel universe. Emma isn't evil, she's just bad at times and has questionable morals. You need to read her limited series to get an understanding of her and you'll see she's not a good fit for an Evil mutant bent on the Xmen or humanities destruction. Marvel did good putting making her on the Xmen. In doing so it has made her one of the most popular and interesting female characters in Comics. She was never on the radar as a classic villain and was seen as nothing more then a underling and a female nemesis with telepathic powers for Xavier when the Xmen battled the Hellfire club.

 

[Nokio]

If it serves the story, there's nothing wrong with changing Moira's profession.

Marvel did the exact same thing in Thor. They changed Jane Foster's profession from a nurse/doctor to a scientist/astrophysicist and it worked.



Not true.

Singer never left an outline. Once he left the franchise, he took his treatment (for X3) with him before it was ever presented to the studio. Lauren Shuler-Donner has mentioned this before.

Singer had nothing to do with any part of X3 and yes, his version would have been quite different.

Well actually the change did serve to further the movie and translate it better for the big screen. Also Jane Foster started out a nurse and became a MD in the comics long before the Thor film came out. So I didn't see a problem with the change in the film. She is still a Dr, so what they changed the type she is in the comics. I'm pretty sure an Astrophysicist is a Dr. In Xmen and typical FOX fashion they make a change for no reason that i can see. Mctaggartt is a Geneticist in the comic and here she is a CIA agent. If their was no other characters in the Xmen universe that could've been used I could live with it but have you heard of Valerie Cooper. She is an actual Gov agent and director of the division on Mutant Affairs in the US Gov. She's has a long history in the Xmen universe and why they couldn't use her if they needed a female CIA agent is beyond me. It actually make sense for them to use her. I'm pretty sure X Factor was a group of mutants working on behalf of the Gov and Cooper was the Liason. It would seem she would be a no brainer for the role Rose Bryne is playing in XMFC. Unfortunately they decide to alter Moria for no reason and she was also featured in X3. Backwards in my opinion.

I don't know how Singer would be able to leave with any form of treatment unless he owned the rites to the Xmen. It would seem any treatment he did on Xmen with outlines and scripts would be the property of FOX and not his to pack up and take with him. I didn't follow what came after I read where he said himself that he told FOX he would do X3 after he was done with Superman but Fox decided to move on. He then said he left an outline for the story and direction he wanted to go. Even the screenwriter said that he had worked with Singer on a direction and that some ideas they came up with an some that Singer wanted to explore was in the script. I read that with my own eyes from a reliable website. Now what you saying is probably true as well. You may have read that Singer had nothing to do with X3, but since X3 was critically raked over the coals by fans it would seem smart for the man to distance himself from it.

Here is a quote from Singer on why he thinks Superman returns failed:

"I think that Superman Returns was a bit nostalgic and romantic, and I don't think that was what people were expecting, especially in the summer," Singer said in an interview with VoicesFromKrypton.com. "What I had noticed is that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were going to line up to see The Devil Wears Prada, which may have been something I wanted to address. But when you're making a movie, you're not thinking about that stuff, you're thinking, 'Wow, I want to make a romantic movie that harkens back to the Richard Donner movie that I loved so much.' And that's what I did."

Considering his f up of Superman Returns I'd like if this man just stay the heck away from comic films and stop putting HIS D@MN PERSONAL take on them. Where he got the notion that Supes needed to be more romantic and chic friendly is beyond me. This isn't the type of material to try and change to appeal to the "Devil Wears Prada" crowd. Good lord if that comment or the comment he made that "he's making Superman more of a chick flick" don't send red flags to people that this man don't belong in this genre then i don't know what will.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Well actually the change did serve to further the movie and translate it better for the big screen. Also Jane Foster started out a nurse and became a MD in the comics long before the Thor film came out. So I didn't see a problem with the change in the film. She is still a Dr, so what they changed the type she is in the comics. I'm pretty sure an Astrophysicist is a Dr. In Xmen and typical FOX fashion they make a change for no reason that i can see. Mctaggartt is a Geneticist in the comic and here she is a CIA agent. If their was no other characters in the Xmen universe that could've been used I could live with it but have you heard of Valerie Cooper. She is an actual Gov agent and director of the division on Mutant Affairs in the US Gov. She's has a long history in the Xmen universe and why they couldn't use her if they needed a female CIA agent is beyond me. It actually make sense for them to use her. I'm pretty sure X Factor was a group of mutants working on behalf of the Gov and Cooper was the Liason. It would seem she would be a no brainer for the role Rose Bryne is playing in XMFC. Unfortunately they decide to alter Moria for no reason and she was also featured in X3. Backwards in my opinion.

It's the same thing, any way you try and rationalize it. You can't condemn Fox, when Marvel made the exact same change to the love interest in their last film.

I don't know how Singer would be able to leave with any form of treatment unless he owned the rites to the Xmen. It would seem any treatment he did on Xmen with outlines and scripts would be the property of FOX and not his to pack up and take with him. I didn't follow what came after I read where he said himself that he told FOX he would do X3 after he was done with Superman but Fox decided to move on. He then said he left an outline for the story and direction he wanted to go. Even the screenwriter said that he had worked with Singer on a direction and that some ideas they came up with an some that Singer wanted to explore was in the script. I read that with my own eyes from a reliable website. Now what you saying is probably true as well. You may have read that Singer had nothing to do with X3, but since X3 was critically raked over the coals by fans it would seem smart for the man to distance himself from it.

Singer was never signed on to do X3. That was the issue back then, so technically anything he wrote or he would have used wouldn't have belonged to Fox.

The script that was used for The Last Stand was written well after Singer had already left and he had nothing to do with it.

Here is a quote from Singer on why he thinks Superman returns failed:

"I think that Superman Returns was a bit nostalgic and romantic, and I don't think that was what people were expecting, especially in the summer," Singer said in an interview with VoicesFromKrypton.com. "What I had noticed is that there weren't a lot of women lining up to see a comic book movie, but they were going to line up to see The Devil Wears Prada, which may have been something I wanted to address. But when you're making a movie, you're not thinking about that stuff, you're thinking, 'Wow, I want to make a romantic movie that harkens back to the Richard Donner movie that I loved so much.' And that's what I did."

Considering his f up of Superman Returns I'd like if this man just stay the heck away from comic films and stop putting HIS D@MN PERSONAL take on them. Where he got the notion that Supes needed to be more romantic and chic friendly is beyond me. This isn't the type of material to try and change to appeal to the "Devil Wears Prada" crowd. Good lord if that comment or the comment he made that "he's making Superman more of a chick flick" don't send red flags to people that this man don't belong in this genre then i don't know what will.

I couldn't be happier that's he's back. The franchise suffered during his absence and now that he's back the series finally seems to be back on the right track.

 

[Nokio]

It's the same thing, any way you try and rationalize it. You can't condemn Fox, when Marvel made the exact same change to the love interest in their last film.



Singer was never signed on to do X3. That was the issue back then, so technically anything he wrote or he would have used wouldn't have belonged to Fox.

The script that was used for The Last Stand was written well after Singer had already left and he had nothing to do with it.



I couldn't be happier that's he's back. The franchise suffered during his absence and now that he's back the series finally seems to be back on the right track.

Explain to me how dropping an important aspect about Moria's background is a sensible change? It was different in Thor because there was no character that existed in the comics that could've been used. Also Jane was still a Dr, just no longer an MD. In the X verse their already existed a female character who is actually a Federal agent and heads up the mutant affairs dept. Like I said it would seem like a no brainer to have just used Cooper. I guess Moria can do double duty as a CIA agent in this film and be a geneticist in a sequel. Never mind that the character was in X3, some 40 years in the future. I guess it could've been her daughter. It's inconsistencies like this is why I say FOX makes changes for reasons that serve no purpose. You already have characters that exist in the X universe that can be used. It makes no sense to change established ones.

I know Singer never signed on to do X3. I just remember reading where he said that FOX chose to move on and that he left an outline and where he wanted to take the franchise. The screenwriter said that he had worked on an outline with Singer and some ideas he had. Well all I can say is I'm not crazy and I know what I read. I'm not saying Singer worked on the shooting script for X3 but the man got far enough in to pre production because he also was set to cast Sigourney Weaver as Emma Frost in X3, but she wasn't going to be a telepath but just an Empath and no hellfire club. Yeah another change that serves no purpose if Singer had his way. I'm not sure what the reason would be to change Emma's powers. Switching and changing powers is a no no to me unless their is a valid reason for the change. Shaw's energy absorbing abilities in the movie have been tweaked. I don't mind that slight change cause it looks to make the character more visually interesting.

I'm glad someone is happy about Singer, but I would give Vaughan more credit for XMFC then I would Singer.

 

[BMM]

Let me get this straight. You want Moira MacTaggert, who is actually relevant to Xavier’s origin, to be removed from First Class because you’re mad the film is altering comic book continuity via MacTaggert’s profession, and you’re suggestion is to replace her with Valerie Cooper, a woman who has absolutely no relevance to Xavier’s origin, and that somehow makes it better?