Days of Future Past "Only have one more new character" in sequel says Vaughn

[Nokio]

Let me get this straight. You want Moira MacTaggert, who is actually relevant to Xavier’s origin, to be removed from First Class because you’re mad the film is altering comic book continuity via MacTaggert’s profession, and you’re suggestion is to replace her with Valerie Cooper, a woman who has absolutely no relevance to Xavier’s origin, and that somehow makes it better?

Why not? Frost, Havoc, Beast, Mystique, Shaw, Angel, Darwin and Banshee aren't relevant to Charles and Erik's origin but hey they are present. You're not providing a good enough reason why it was needed to change her to a CIA agent and no longer a leading class geneticist. The history is all ready Mangled and Moria was in X3 some 40 years in the future played by a women who was in her late 30's to early 40's. I want u to tell me how Moira the CIA agent is relevant to his origin? Fox has thrown that relevance out the window already. I'll say it again, I'm all for changes that make sense
but this doesn't. Ican even excuse the Moira that was in X3 and accept that she's a CIA agent
who is also a specialist in the field of genetics, hence the reason she is assigned to work with
Xavier. Nope, they just dropped an important aspect of her character for no logical reason, just
like Juggs wasn't even mentioned to be Xavier's brother in X3.

As for Valerie Cooper, she is an actual federal agent and one that works in the Dept of Mutant affairs, she could've been used. You say why use a woman who had no relevance to Xavier's origin and I say to you that everyone else is displaced in Fox's version of the Xmen, so it really wouldn't have mattered that she was in the 60's now as well. At least the character's relationship to the Xmen would be accurate seeing as how Cooper is an ACTUAL Gov agent that deals with mutants.

 

[henzINNIT]

I'm not exactly a fan of Fox, but I'm glad Marvel hasn't rebooted X-Men. They've only got one great film to their name (Iron Man), so I'm not jumping on the "let Marvel make everything!" bandwagon. X2 > Marvel's output so far.

 

[X-Maniac]

Why not? Frost, Havoc, Beast, Mystique, Shaw, Angel, Darwin and Banshee aren't relevant to Charles and Erik's origin but hey they are present. You're not providing a good enough reason why it was needed to change her to a CIA agent and no longer a leading class geneticist. The history is all ready Mangled and Moria was in X3 some 40 years in the future played by a women who was in her late 30's to early 40's. I want u to tell me how Moira the CIA agent is relevant to his origin? Fox has thrown that relevance out the window already. I'll say it again, I'm all for changes that make sense
but this doesn't. Ican even excuse the Moira that was in X3 and accept that she's a CIA agent
who is also a specialist in the field of genetics, hence the reason she is assigned to work with
Xavier. Nope, they just dropped an important aspect of her character for no logical reason, just
like Juggs wasn't even mentioned to be Xavier's brother in X3.

As for Valerie Cooper, she is an actual federal agent and one that works in the Dept of Mutant affairs, she could've been used. You say why use a woman who had no relevance to Xavier's origin and I say to you that everyone else is displaced in Fox's version of the Xmen, so it really wouldn't have mattered that she was in the 60's now as well. At least the character's relationship to the Xmen would be accurate seeing as how Cooper is an ACTUAL Gov agent that deals with mutants.

I think it would be quite possible to show Moira setting up Muir Island in the future, possibly as a result of having a mutant child.

For this film she is indeed a CIA agent and the explanation by those involved in the film is that she too is also represented as an outcast (a woman in a CIA that was very sexist back then) and this helps her empathise with the mutants' cause. It's a perfectly logical (and rather brilliant) explanation. They've restricted the genetics stuff to Xavier, who is a professor after all.

This sort of alteration of roles is the same reason Jean Grey was a doctor/scientist in X1 when Beast wasn't able to be included.

On screen it makes sense. She still feels like Moira, particularly towards the end of the movie.

 

[Nokio]

I think it would be quite possible to show Moira setting up Muir Island in the future, possibly as a result of having a mutant child.

For this film she is indeed a CIA agent and the explanation by those involved in the film is that she too is also represented as an outcast (a woman in a CIA that was very sexist back then) and this helps her empathise with the mutants' cause. It's a perfectly logical (and rather brilliant) explanation. They've restricted the genetics stuff to Xavier, who is a professor after all.

This sort of alteration of roles is the same reason Jean Grey was a doctor/scientist in X1 when Beast wasn't able to be included.

On screen it makes sense. She still feels like Moira, particularly towards the end of the movie.

I guess they can do that, but she has a mutant child and then become on of the leading geneticist on Earth?? What, does she have the kid and when he reaches puberty she discovers he's a mutant and she enlists in College and becomes a world class geneticist??? Not buying that one. That's also a lot of time. I'm sure a geneticist is a Dr right? How many years is supposed to float by with the same actress playing her? Ok I guess.

 

[pyromaniac]

I guess they can do that, but she has a mutant child and then become on of the leading geneticist on Earth?? What, does she have the kid and when he reaches puberty she discovers he's a mutant and she enlists in College and becomes a world class geneticist??? Not buying that one. That's also a lot of time. I'm sure a geneticist is a Dr right? How many years is supposed to float by with the same actress playing her? Ok I guess.

There are lots of people who can switch main careers in their life time. An average of three. In fact you could say that upon meeting Xavier she developed an interest in genetics. Coupled with the rampant sexism of the time, she might be compelled to leave the agency and look towards science.

It's a plausible scenario.

 

[Nokio]

There are lots of people who can switch main careers in their life time. An average of three. In fact you could say that upon meeting Xavier she developed an interest in genetics. Coupled with the rampant sexism of the time, she might be compelled to leave the agency and look towards science.

It's a plausible scenario.

Really?? I would think that someone becoming a world class leader in Genetics would have entered field very early in life. They probably already excelled at science in K-12 and went on and entered the field right in college. I could be wrong.

 

[insane polaris]

Really?? I would think that someone becoming a world class leader in Genetics would have entered field very early in life. They probably already excelled at science in K-12 and went on and entered the field right in college. I could be wrong.

Prof. Brian Cox was in a band and had hits in the charts and then he reached 30 got a degree in Physics and now is Britains greatest Physicist.

so It can be done.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(physicist)

 

[BMM]

Why not? Frost, Havoc, Beast, Mystique, Shaw, Angel, Darwin and Banshee aren't relevant to Charles and Erik's origin but hey they are present. You're not providing a good enough reason why it was needed to change her to a CIA agent and no longer a leading class geneticist.

And you’re not providing a good enough reason for why it matters, especially since your argument for including someone like Valerie Cooper rests on the same logic as to why Moira may not be a geneticist—the movies are different from the books.

I want u to tell me how Moira the CIA agent is relevant to his origin?

I want you to tell me how it’s not, especially since you haven’t seen the movie and you’re the one making a big deal out of it. Moreover, I want you to tell me what's preventing her from becoming more like her comic book counterpart in future movies.

As for Valerie Cooper, she is an actual federal agent and one that works in the Dept of Mutant affairs, she could've been used. You say why use a woman who had no relevance to Xavier's origin and I say to you that everyone else is displaced in Fox's version of the Xmen, so it really wouldn't have mattered that she was in the 60's now as well. At least the character's relationship to the Xmen would be accurate seeing as how Cooper is an ACTUAL Gov agent that deals with mutants.

No, her profession would be somewhat similar in that she would interact with the Government. Her relationship to the X-Men would not. Valerie Cooper does not have a relationship with Xavier, like Moira in the books or First Class.

 

[Silvermoth]

It'll be insane if X-23 was the incoming mutant.

 

[pyromaniac]

Really?? I would think that someone becoming a world class leader in Genetics would have entered field very early in life. They probably already excelled at science in K-12 and went on and entered the field right in college. I could be wrong.

I think you need to know more people with career switches. That's all.

 

[ken smith]

Why did everyone change the topic? Vaughn said only one new character in the sequel and i have researched every possible x-men, none of them match Magneto. I believe this new character will be a villain and it is likely going to be Juggernaut or Mr Sinister. What does anyone think of Matthew Vaughn's version of Juggernaut?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Smart move for this.

Of course, people will ***** and want more characters. But adding too many characters doesn't amount to **** when they're barely existent and have nothing to do with the plot and ultimately be wasted. So what was even the point? Then fans will ***** and say that they should have played it smart and limit.

So play it smart. Playing it smart is the most important thing.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The second part of this trilogy will mostly be returns from First Class.
matthew vaughn wants to do more with the cast he assembled from First
Class rather than throw a whole lot of new Characters In(read The Last
Stand) but according to

Spoiler

Xavier becomes crippled.Beast,Banshee,and Havok remain team at end of First Class.To protect themselves he mindwipes Moira.Mystique,Angel,
Azarel,Riptide,and Emma Frost all end up on Magneto's side after Magneto
kills Shaw and attempt to kill all the mutans with Missiles In Cuba.There will be no need to add new characters to the Brotherhood.But,there will likely be a new addation to the X-Men.This Is probally who Vaughn Is adding.The sequel will most likely be taking place In early 1970's.It has already been discussed of moving second part of trilogy to 1970's.They don't want to jump too far ahead so they can keep the cast.Moira could start to move to becoming a scientist,and In Sequel we could see Magneto and his brotherhood
launching public attacks on Humans.Remember the history In this trilogy will be the X-Men Marvel Universe version of history.As for new X-Man It might even be Gambit.In sequel we may see what caused Xavier to lose his hair.And If Vaughn Is able to use his Idea of Magneto being responable for the Magic Bullet killing Kennedy that sets up Magneto launching attacks

It would be third and final part of trilogy where we would see changes In the Cast

Spoiler

The Third film would probally be set mid to late 1970's or Early1980's.This would be when Cyclops,Jean Grey,and Storm are brought In.Here the returning cast will have to be made to look older.Now I have speculated that X4 could be made before the second and third parts of the First Class trilogy In part to give the first Class actors more time before the final part.Now In First Class Storm and Cyclops as children are seen briefly In Cerebro sequenze.These may be just be easter eggs like Human Looking Beast and Dr Shaw on TV In X2 but they could be sign they will recon the event of X-Men/X2 taking place In Early to mid 1990's Instead of sometime in the 2000's.With Xavier being crippled In First Class new takes of how Xavier meet Jean and Cyclops are likely.If they want to completly Ignore Last Stand Angel could be Introduced as Student with Cyclops,Jean,and Storm.Sabretooth could be brought In as Brotherhood member.Since Xavier was well aware of him In First film.If they Intend as it appears to completly
ignore Wolverine then Blob could be a Brotherhood member.Vaughn has also talked about bringing back Patrick stewart and Ian Mckellan for flashforwards In sequels.I suspect some cast members(Havok,Banshee,Angel,Azarel,Riptide)may be dropped In third film to Introduce more Younger versions of characters from the Singer films or doing new versions from films(The Last Stand/Wolverine) mostly Ignored.Vaughn IS bluring the line between prequel and reboot with First Class according to reports but it still serves as prequels at least to Singer's films

 

[ken smith]

Can gambit take on Magneto?

 

[pyromaniac]

Gambit is a better foe for Magneto than Wolverine is, that's for sure. Actually you've raised a good point.

Nemesis doesn't necessarily mean it'll be an enemy. It could even be a hero. Vaughn was saying it would be Magneto's nemesis, which would make it the protagonist in our eyes considering that he's made a lot of enemies in the comics (our heroes). So that widens the scope a bit.

 

[JP]

Just speculating, as I've obviously not seen the film nor read the spoilers, but it seems that the only member of the hellfire Club who would return is Emma. So, just by that a First Class sequel will already be down 4 characters.

I think the smart thing to do is introduce a new villain that we've never seen before, and bring in Cyclops, Jean, and Storm, even if we're still in the 60's.

 

[protocida]

It could be Sage.

 

[conan69]

Magneto & "magic bullet" = brilliant idea.

IMHO we're looking at Singers favorite Xmen villian...... Proteus. You have Magnetos mastery of metal/magnetism and a foe whos only weakness is metal.

Hopefully Magneto wont be the focal point of the sequel, Cyclops will appear in the next film, and have plenty to do.

 

[Nokio]

Why did everyone change the topic? Vaughn said only one new character in the sequel and i have researched every possible x-men, none of them match Magneto. I believe this new character will be a villain and it is likely going to be Juggernaut or Mr Sinister. What does anyone think of Matthew Vaughn's version of Juggernaut?

Synch and Nate Grey are easily, Nate is the arguably the most powerful mutant of all, well under Franklin Richards. Bishop is powerful enough to take on Magneto when he's charged up enough. I doubt it'll be any of them, infact I know it won't be Richards or Grey. Synch and Bishop are minority characters so it's highly unlikly it'll be either of them as well. The track record with non white characters are well known. Won't be Juggs either. I don't see it being Sinister. He would never get into a fight unless he's pushed in a corner, he stays behind the scenes despite him being powerful. Sunfire and Sunspot are powerful mutants and movie Magneto is not as powerful as comic book magneto, so maybe but their is that non white issue butthey have a better chance then a black character. It may end up being Polaris. With Havoc there and no other females I think she looks like a good shot. She won't be Mags's daughter though.

 

[Nokio]

I'll also go outside the box and say the Grey King. A very obscure character and good choice in my opinion and he hasn't much of a history so I don't see using him upseting anyone, infact his origin can be easily re written for a movie since his orgin from the comics is pretty simple and won't affect anything.

 

[ken smith]

Nokio,you are right. Movie Magneto isn't as powerful as his comicbook version. I researched sunspot and he seems very powerful. Maybe the new character is him or it could be Synch, as he's a powerful character; but he's a black character.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, the First Class co-writers Ashley Millers and Zack Stentz said they'd love to see Cable brought in.

They were at the London Comic Con on a panel for First Class. Article here

 

[Project862006]

nuff said

 

[Majik1387]

I'd rather we not have a ****ty character like Cable

 

[jignat]

Its out of left field, but what about Proteus?

He has incredible reality-warping powers, and can inhabit others bodies.
Plus, it could develop or expand on Moiras character. Maybe she is compelled to devote her life to mutant research/set up Muir Isle research facility.