Apocalypse Oscar Isaac IS Apocalypse

[MahvelBaby!]

With the preface that I still believe this movie will be great and that Oscar Isaac will be great in the role.....


I just can't get into the design man, Ive tried, but it just doesn't work for what I believe Apocalypse should be, that being said.....he fits into the Singerverse decently. Just ehhhhhhh I do like that recoloring above though a lot more, but the face just seems off to me. The suit I actually like, he should be imposing though.

 

[Sullstar]

Granted, I don't love the design of Apocalypse, but let's not go overboard over a couple of photos

Singer cannot do this genre. It's obvious and staring us all in the face. The dude has no vision or flare for these types of films.

X2 and DOFP seem to disagree. Yes he doesn't do many great action sequences, but he tells a great story and develops the main characters well.

Would it have really been so horrible to go mo-cap and CGI for Apocalypse? Would the earth fall off it's axis if, god forbid, we got accurate costumes and character depictions?

I don't have an answer for CGI-ing Apocalypse but we're getting comic accurate costumes in this film...

The X-franchise continues to be the odd-ball franchise. Even WB/DC looks like they have finally figured out the formula for these films.

Let's look at what has actually been released. Fox's last 2 films have been First Class and DOFP. These 2 have gotten a lot less criticism than DC's last two films, and I loved both Man of Steel and TDKR... So I don't know how you can conclude WB have worked out a formula but Fox haven't.

"Just throw the fans a bone or two with nods from the comics and that should be enough". Going all out fantasy/sci-fi with our comic book properties is to great a risk. Let's just stick to what we do best and let it ride".

I prefer the X-Men movies somewhat grounded. The property carries important themes.

God forbid the greatest X-Men villains' plans are foiled by a dance-off!

Ugh.....this franchise. X-fans continue to hope and wait for the X-Men to get the same big screen bonanza treatment as the MCU and DCU comic book films.

The majority of fans seem more than content with what they have been getting lately

 

[Dark Raven]

Are you saying no to a motion capture Apocalypse, or to a guy in a suit/makeup for Thanos, Hulk and Ultron?

 

[darkangel]

The second.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see why Singer couldn't have had a mo-cap Apocalypse? We could've had something that looked exactly like the comic version.

I don't find it a convincing argument that he wouldn't have hired Oscar Isaac then if he was going to do that. Isaac isn't such a big actor at all, and you can barely recognise his features now with his make up anyway. James Spader and Josh Brolin haven't really had a problem with audiences not seeing their faces, particularly Spader. And come to think of it, neither did Bradley Cooper (or Vin Diesel).

A mo-cap Apocalypse could've still used the subtle nuances of Isaac's performance and some of his expressions, but his face could've looked exactly like the comic version, just like Hulk uses Ruffalo's expressions but doesn't just look like a made-up Ruffalo.

 

[The Guard]

There's no reason he couldn't have. It is entirely possible to make something look like the comics. They chose not to go that route.

Maybe they thought that something that looked exactly like the comic version would be visually ridiculous in what has always been a visually grounded universe.

I find it amusing how, in a franchise that's ALWAYS not given us the exact comic book appearance of things, people are suddenly pissed off that something doesn't look like it is exactly from the comics.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

There's no reason he couldn't have. It is entirely possible to make something look like the comics. They chose not to go that route.

Maybe they thought that something that looked exactly like the comic version would be visually ridiculous in what has always been a visually grounded universe.

I find it amusing how, in a franchise that's ALWAYS not given us the exact comic book appearance of things, people are suddenly pissed off that something doesn't look like it is exactly from the comics.

I'm not asking for something that looks exactly like the comics.
I'd just like him to be a bit taller and look different in the face/head.
Everything else looks fine.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I knew we wouldn't get real Apocalypse. Its Fox and Laura Donner to blame more than Bryan I think. They're the ones saying the new FF is "modern realistic take" on FF. They don't know modern or realistic, they're just lazy and uninspired and still on that Rothman mentality.

 

[Casius--J]

His costume looks good but I'm not happy with his face or size. But it was expected really, I haven't been all that impressed with any of the X films to be honest so I had my concerns for the look of Apocalypse from day one.

 

[The Guard]

I knew we wouldn't get real Apocalypse. Its Fox and Laura Donner to blame more than Bryan I think. They're the ones saying the new FF is "modern realistic take" on FF. They don't know modern or realistic, they're just lazy and uninspired and still on that Rothman mentality.

How is creating something new "lazy"?

 

[Dark Raven]

How is creating something new "lazy"?

Apocalypse's movie look isn't really new though. It looks uninspired and just cobbled together from old Stargate and Power Ranger costumes.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

How is creating something new "lazy"?

How did they create something new? I saw something from the Power Rangers movie and GOTG mixed together. That's old man! That manip someone made in the last page would work just fine.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

Have you guys taken into account that this isn't Apoc's final look and he's pretty much unfinished?

Oscar Isaac himself said it's a mix of practical effects and CGI. This is just the practical side of things and he'll get the touch-ups in post.

 

[Dark Raven]

Have you guys taken into account that this isn't Apoc's final look and he's pretty much unfinished?

Oscar Isaac himself said it's a mix of practical effects and CGI. This is just the practical side of things and he'll get the touch-ups in post.

So on the cover of EW they posted a pic of an unfinished Apocalypse, while Psylocke and Magneto are probably finished? But if that were the case, then why not finish his look in Photoshop for the moment if it's just a publicity photo? Then for the actual film they can add in his look with CGI.

But since they haven't Photoshopped a more finished look on the cover, that leads me to believe that it is his final look.

And how many times have we heard that a character's look is probably unfinished, only to learn that it is their actual look for the movie?

 

[The Guard]

I would imagine Isaac was referring to digital enhancements in regard to his powers. Growing, changing, etc.

I don't have any desire to formulate a proper response for ridiculousness like "That's just a Power Rangers costume" or "This is just cobbled together from other costumes".

Obviously some of you either don't realize or don't believe that combining different elements of costume design is creating something new...and that not everything that has a vague similarity to something else is derivative or a ripoff of another creation.

Or that purple with tentacles is not the same thing as a blue humanoid.

I mean, seriously? You think that what the X-Men filmmakers have presented, a blue humanoid in blue armor and Egyptian garb...resembles a purple guy with heightened, cartoon features and a tentacle bearing, wearing what is essentially long tattered purple robes, and a guy in BLACK armor with BLACK facepaint over much of his face? You believe that this visual equals a combination of those two designs?

I don't have the energy for this conversation.

Wow.

Just wow.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Ronan had more of Apocalypse's lips than this Appcalypse does. Sorry but this isn't what fans wanted and it kind of echoes the "give rights back to Marvel" slogan even though I never agreed with that. I love Singers movies but this... Its not even the same look as the kid in DOFP! I'm still hyped just...not for Apocalypse himself

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

So on the cover of EW they posted a pic of an unfinished Apocalypse, while Psylocke and Magneto are probably finished? But if that were the case, then why not finish his look in Photoshop for the moment if it's just a publicity photo? Then for the actual film they can add in his look with CGI.

But since they haven't Photoshopped a more finished look on the cover, that leads me to believe that it is his final look.

And how many times have we heard that a character's look is probably unfinished, only to learn that it is their actual look for the movie?

That I don't know.

Cause when you look at the teaser poster from Comic-Con, I'm sure that is his finished look. Maybe it's not all finished yet.

 

[KINGTHANOS]

Why don't they like motion capture for the X-Men movies? Imagine if Thanos, Hulk or Ultron were done just with make up or someone wearing a suit.

I couldn't agree more. They would all look absolutely foolish with practical makeup/prosthetics. Some characters just need to be done with motion capture because their sheer size/proportions or design is impossible to capture with just makeup and a dumb suit.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I always doubted that motion capture would be used.

 

[thegameq]

There's no reason he couldn't have. It is entirely possible to make something look like the comics. They chose not to go that route.

Maybe they thought that something that looked exactly like the comic version would be visually ridiculous in what has always been a visually grounded universe.

I find it amusing how, in a franchise that's ALWAYS not given us the exact comic book appearance of things, people are suddenly pissed off that something doesn't look like it is exactly from the comics.

Because this franchise always had an excuse as to why they couldn't or wouldn't do something like the comics. But now that all the excuses have been disproven by the successful implementation in the MCU and DCU a lot of fans are wondering; "what the hell is wrong with this franchise"? "When are the X-men going to get the extravagant stylized treatment?"

If the other studios can blend full on fantasy/sci-fi into great stories an stylized visuals, why the hell can't the X-franchise. And please don't fall back on the "grounded" argument because Nolan's Bat-films used the 'grounded" approach but were still visually striking and appealing.

It can be done and it should. No more excuses for this franchise.

This is the only comicbook movie franchise that feels like it's still from the 90s. You know, when studios were afraid to take huge creative risks with comicbook movies.

 

[thegameq]

Granted, I don't love the design of Apocalypse, but let's not go overboard over a couple of photos



X2 and DOFP seem to disagree. Yes he doesn't do many great action sequences, but he tells a great story and develops the main characters well.



I don't have an answer for CGI-ing Apocalypse but we're getting comic accurate costumes in this film...



Let's look at what has actually been released. Fox's last 2 films have been First Class and DOFP. These 2 have gotten a lot less criticism than DC's last two films, and I loved both Man of Steel and TDKR... So I don't know how you can conclude WB have worked out a formula but Fox haven't.



I prefer the X-Men movies somewhat grounded. The property carries important themes.

God forbid the greatest X-Men villains' plans are foiled by a dance-off!



The majority of fans seem more than content with what they have been getting lately

There was a large contingent of fans happy with Nolan's Batman as well. But I guarantee there is larger amount happier with Snyder's take. Guess why?

Simple question; if the X-men were done closer to the comics ala the MCU and the DCU do you think you would hear the same level of complaints or would the majority of the complaints disappear?

 

[terry78]

I figured they would just do him like Hellboy, make him kinda larger via makeup and have CG enhancements like the eyes, maybe the suit itself in some parts.

 

[The Guard]

Because this franchise always had an excuse as to why they couldn't or wouldn't do something like the comics. But now that all the excuses have been disproven by the successful implementation in the MCU and DCU a lot of fans are wondering; "what the hell is wrong with this franchise"? "When are the X-men going to get the extravagant stylized treatment?"

Who made excuses? Fans? The filmmakers certainly haven't. They've chosen a different aesthetic than you prefer. But you can't prove an artistic choice right or wrong. You either like it or you don't.

If the other studios can blend full on fantasy/sci-fi into great stories an stylized visuals, why the hell can't the X-franchise. And please don't fall back on the "grounded" argument because Nolan's Bat-films used the 'grounded" approach but were still visually striking and appealing.

Singer's X-films have been full on fantasy/sci-fi as well.

"Great stories" might be laying it on a little thick. Singer's films excell in that department, whereas several other franchises are lacking therein.

As far as visually striking and appealing, it's all relative and a matter of perspective. There are plenty of things I find visually striking and appealing about Singer's films, and many others do as well.

It can be done and it should. No more excuses for this franchise.

Art doesn't work that way.

And artists don't, either.

This is the only comicbook movie franchise that feels like it's still from the 90's. You know, when studios were afraid to take huge creative risks with comicbook movies.

Because there's nothing as "risky" as putting a person in a costume that's been accepted for a long, long time.

I don't consider that a huge creative risk. At all.

And didn't even before Marvel started putting comics-faithful costumes onscreen (Not that they were the first to do so, mind you).

 

[MutantXGene]

I couldn't agree more. They would all look absolutely foolish with practical makeup/prosthetics. Some characters just need to be done with motion capture because their sheer size/proportions or design is impossible to capture with just makeup and a dumb suit.

I kind of appreciate that they're giving us a real-life character though. No matter how good CGI or motion capture is, it always looks fake to some degree. I'm hoping they'll maybe enhance this look with CGI, and have the real Isaac as a base.

 

[Iceman]

I find it amusing how, in a franchise that's ALWAYS not given us the exact comic book appearance of things, people are suddenly pissed off that something doesn't look like it is exactly from the comics.

Suddenly, no. Always. (although it was understandable in the era when Singer was bringing out X1 with budget cuts and very little confidence in comic movies (particularly garish ones).