Part VI (Spoiler Thread)

[DKDetective]

Vader getting beat up is so stupid. Obi-Wan could barely hang back in the day. Vader's way stronger now.

Yep. I mean they even confirmed earlier on with the flashbacks that Anakin has always been more powerful and that Obi-Wan only ever beat him due to his arrogance (as per ROTS as well). To have him brute force stomp Vader here was absolutely idiotic. It also is completely inconsistent with the power levels established in the PT. Yoda and Palpatine needing utmost concentration to throw Senate pods at each other looks like child play in comparison to the way Kenobi levitated countless boulders all at once and threw them at Vader while still actively dueling. By the way, those were the fakest looking CGI boulders I have ever seen. Like the prequels CG looks better in comparison now.

I think Obi-Wan's goggles are from one of his awesome Sideshow statues.

Yep, the goggles, backpack, sleeveless, overtone, etc. is all straight from that statue:

Basically, the Obi-Wan look I was hoping for only showed up in the final 5 minutes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well at least the duel was in one spot give or take a couple of yards. We didn't have to watch Vader and Kenobi walking all over the planet. Or climb up and down those rocks. So Kenobi beats the prime version of Anakin/Vader, then the overpowered version of Darth Vader. I mean at this point I don't see why Kenobi doesn't just go after Sidious. Between him and Yoda they should be able to handle the emperor.

What bothered me most was the explanation. Between this and Ahsoka on Rebels, they are devaluing what Luke means to Anakin and his redemption.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yep. I mean they even confirmed earlier on with the flashbacks that Anakin has always been more powerful and that Obi-Wan only ever beat him due to his arrogance (as per ROTS as well). To have him brute force stomp Vader here was absolutely idiotic. It also is completely inconsistent with the power levels established in the PT. Yoda and Palpatine needing utmost concentration to throw Senate pods at each other looks like child play in comparison to the way Kenobi levitated countless boulders all at once and threw them at Vader while still actively dueling. By the way, those were the fakest looking CGI boulders I have ever seen. Like the prequels CG looks better in comparison now.


Yep, the goggles, backpack, sleeveless, overtone, etc. is all straight from that statue:

Basically, the Obi-Wan look I was hoping for only showed up in the final 5 minutes.

That's the one with the two different face sculpts, right?

On the boulders my brother hasn't stopped talking about them since it ended.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Obi-Wan beating Vader is a testament to how Vader's messed up body prevents him from being the strongest Force user of them all.

Anakin Skywalker without his Mustafar injuries and with a mature approach to dueling would be truly unrivaled.

 

[Ninjablade]

I have a really hard time reconciling the events of this show with anything that transpired in the PT and OT. So much disregard for canon while also trying to bend over backwards to fit in ways that don't make any sense. I feel like a lot of this would've worked better if it wasn't staring Kenobi.

Will say. While I greatly dislike the idea of seeing Anakin's face during the period in which he's Vader, Hayden killed the little screen time he had. I've always liked his performance at the end of ROTS while being immolated, and he was channeling that same energy.

 

[DKDetective]

That's the one with the two different face sculpts, right?

On the boulders my brother hasn't stopped talking about them since it ended.

According to the official website, it only has one face sculpt, but I want to remember that there was one that transitioned from younger to older Obi-Wan. Maybe that was just the art work that inspired it or a previous version?

 

[misjuevos]

What bothered me most was the explanation. Between this and Ahsoka on Rebels, they are devaluing what Luke means to Anakin and his redemption.

I don't quite follow. Vader still doesn't know he has kids yet. I think that realization is the main part of his redemption.

 

[Bobber]

Obi-Wan has decided not to kill Darth Vader so many times now, I feel like he has half of the galaxy's blood on his hands.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't quite follow. Vader still doesn't know he has kids yet. I think that realization is the main part of his redemption.

He hesitates. Like he feels something. That is what Sheev mentions here, that is what happens with Vader with Ahsoka. That shouldn't be happening. He's suppose to be dead inside, consumed by hatred and nothing else. Not until he realizes his boy is alive.

 

[Snow Queen]

Obi-Wan has decided not to kill Darth Vader so many times now, I feel like he has half of the galaxy's blood on his hands.

"I will do what I must.


And by that, I mean walk away so the OT can still happen."

 

[P Supreme]

Hm... yeah I don't really have much to say about the show overall other than that I think I hated every second of it. Shame as there were some neat concepts, but all handled so poorly. Kinda think I'm done with new SW after this unless I hear glowing things.

Yeah I'm almost there myself. I'll check out Asoka just to see the Admiral in live action and more of Hayden as well

Loved the 2 cameos.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Obi-Wan has decided not to kill Darth Vader so many times now, I feel like he has half of the galaxy's blood on his hands.

He thought he killed him in ROTS. He thought he was dead for 10 years. In the show he chooses to spare him because he never liked the idea of having killed him all those years ago. It's not the Jedi way. In that moment where he saw what was underneath the mask he saw it was a mistake despite the situation and thus apologized for "All of it."

Brilliant writing.

 

[misjuevos]

He hesitates. Like he feels something. That is what Sheev mentions here, that is what happens with Vader with Ahsoka. That shouldn't be happening. He's suppose to be dead inside, consumed by hatred and nothing else. Not until he realizes his boy is alive.

I think Vader hesitates because he still sees Kenobi as the Master and he thinks Kenobi will outsmart him again. I think any hesitation is that of a person defeated by the same guy multiple times.

 

[DKDetective]

I can't really call that good. Honestly, it was all rather shotty. But I did enjoy it.

Yup. I went back and watch some of ROTS in prep for tonight and Obi-Wan literally has more grey hair then than he does here. That is the epitome of shorty.

They did rewrite after stating pre-production, during COVID. Then shot it during COVID. Weirdly, Boba felt more cohesive, and it was al over the place.

Yeah, this thing feels like a jumbled mess. The story doesn't make a ton of sense thematically, nor do the characters' arc. Then there are the endless continuity issues. I feel bad for Ewan and Hayden getting the shaft again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He thought he killed him in ROTS. He thought he was dead for 10 years. In the show he chooses to spare him because he never liked the idea of having killed him all those years ago. It's not the Jedi way. In that moment where he saw what was underneath the mask he saw it was a mistake despite the situation and thus apologized for "All of it."

Brilliant writing.

You're right. The Jedi way is to continue to allow a Sith to commit mass murder. It's right there at the start of those books Luke has in TLJ.

Please explain why he wants to Luke to kill Vader, then?

 

[Snow Queen]

You're right. The Jedi way is to continue to allow a Sith to commit mass murder. It's right there at the start of those books Luke has in TLJ.

Please explain why he wants to Luke to kill Vader, then?

Not that Luke would know, lazy jerk never even read past the covers.

 

[Ninjablade]

He thought he killed him in ROTS. He thought he was dead for 10 years. In the show he chooses to spare him because he never liked the idea of having killed him all those years ago. It's not the Jedi way. In that moment where he saw what was underneath the mask he saw it was a mistake despite the situation and thus apologized for "All of it."

Brilliant writing.

Really hard to argue Obi Wan is against killing when he sliced Darth Maul in half and blew up General Grievous.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Vader hesitates because he still sees Kenobi as the Master and he thinks Kenobi will outsmart him again. I think any hesitation is that of a person defeated by the same guy multiple times.

I mean, I don't really think I need to argue this. They make it pretty clear with the writing. Vader still cares for Obi-Wan and Sheev even gives him some crap for it. Which is a big no-no imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Really hard to argue Obi Wan is against killing when he sliced Darth Maul in half and blew up General Grievous.

TWICE!

What makes this more hilarious is at the start, he says the RotS line again, and once again, fails to kill him. But this time, without the excuse of thinking he left him for dead.

 

[Johnny Richards]

You're right. The Jedi way is to continue to allow a Sith to commit mass murder. It's right there at the start of those books Luke has in TLJ.

Please explain why he wants to Luke to kill Vader, then?

Nobody wanted Luke to kill Vader. Obi-Wan & Yoda wanted Luke to face Vader in order to turn Vader.

The plan worked.

 

[misjuevos]

I mean, I don't really think I need to argue this. They make it pretty clear with the writing. Vader still cares for Obi-Wan and Sheev even gives him some crap for it. Which is a big no-no imo.

can you point me to the scene in particular you are talking about, I would like to watch it again. I might have glazed over it. The show is pretty bad and sometimes I laugh at its stupidity, so I might miss something.

 

[DKDetective]

It makes zero sense he left him alive. Especially with what happens in the OT.

Yeah, I mean Obi-Wan's whole motivation to send Luke to kill and defeat Vader and the Emperor is that neither he nor Yoda were strong enough to do the job. Only a Skywalker could in their thinking. And kill Vader is exactly what Kenobi wanted. There is no love lost between them in the OT. He wants him dead. Which if this is the moment Kenobi came to the conclusion that Anakin was beyond saving, which they seem to be intending, why doesn't he kill him at the end of their duel? If his friend is truly dead, just put him out of his misery.

Just so I'm clear, Luke at the age of 10, has now encountered a Force User. But has no memory of it. Cool, cool, cool....

While I agree that it was a stupid set-up to have anything so dangerous get anywhere close to Luke's pre-ANH life (he is supposed to be bored by his provincial life and craving excitement), but to be fair, they did set it up reasonably well to explain that Luke never saw Reva or knew what she was. Owen and Very told him it was Sand People and he was locked in the room when she first attacked. Then he just gunned it for the rocks when she chased him, seemingly not looking back. Then he gets knocked out before she gets close. It is all super convenient, but it does thread that hole.

 

[Johnny Richards]

Yup. I went back and watch some of ROTS in prep for tonight and Obi-Wan literally has more grey hair then than he does here. That is the epitome of shorty.

Yeah, this thing feels like a jumbled mess. The story doesn't make a ton of sense thematically, nor do the characters' arc. Then there are the endless continuity issues. I feel bad for Ewan and Hayden getting the shaft again.

Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen didn't "get the shaft" lol

McGregor is an executive producer on the show. They're both very proud of it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nobody wanted Luke to kill Vader. Obi-Wan & Yoda wanted Luke to face Vader in order to turn Vader.

The plan worked.

Okay, that is a completely incorrect reading of the OT imo. If that's what Obi-Wan wanted, Luke wouldn't of had to drag his father's identity out of him. Hell, Obi-Wan doesn't even admit it. Yoda does. Yoda gives Luke the choice that Obi-Wan doesn't give him.

It's why they wrote that terrible allusion to the, "Vader killed your dad" line here. Because Obi-Wan literally sets up Luke to kill his father. Which according to Obi-Wan, doesn't exist anymore.

I mean, it's all there.

 

[DKDetective]

Nobody wanted Luke to kill Vader. Obi-Wan & Yoda wanted Luke to face Vader in order to turn Vader.

The plan worked.

Umm, nooo...

Kenobi clearly thought Anakin was beyond saving and was sending Luke to kill him. Yoda is another story, but Obi-Wan's perspective is clear.