Part VI (Spoiler Thread)

Funny story I wanted to share with you all. A friend of mine who doesn't have Disney+ but has been keeping up with Kenobi either via other means or just regular old spoilers texted me asking:

"I read about the finale. Does Obi-Wan really say "Hello There" to Vader after he slices his helmet to reveal Anakin's face? Are they serious?"

Before I could ask where he got that from or just plain telling him that both of those things happen but obviously separate from each other, I texted him back one simple word:

"Yes."

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Drizzle, that is pure evil and I love you for it. :funny:
I'm just laughing about it because if Anakin's downfall to the dark side wasn't as traumatic as it was, Obi-Wan is totally the type who would clown him after busting his helmet open. He's got a history of messing around with cyborgs, after all. :o

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So I finally got around to watching this and it was pretty much what I expected.

This show is full is stuff that you’re supposed to care about but there’s no real reason to. Everything is weightless and being rushed along.

I did enjoy the Obi-Wan vs Vader fight but I can only really enjoy it if I isolate it as a what if? Sort of situation.

Trying to fit it into canon just doesn’t work for me. Obi-Wan and Vader didn’t see each other in those years between ROTS & ANH.


Reva going after Luke was dumb as hell


The grand inquisitor’s fake out death was completely pointless
 
Wonder how long until someone edits this show together with just Vader, Kenobi, and Luke. Would probably be about 30 minutes
I think these are fair points. For me, that kind of thing doesn't bother me as long I buy the adversary as a match up problem over an overpowered Vader, which Obi-Wan fits for me. Because like in sports, a team may be a juggernaut but at times there are just some teams that just match up well despite the talent differential. Sort of like Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots having unfathomable difficulty beating Eli Manning and Tom Coughlin. Yet Eli and Coughlin had trouble solving the McNabb/Reid Philadelphia Eagles. You may not know what I'm talking about if you never gave a crap about the NFL, so my bad in advance.

But yeah thankfully it worked for me, but I can understand the gripe.
I made this same point further on in the thread. I said Kenobi just has Vader's number. Kenobi is better at fighting Vader than Vader is at fighting him. I think the main issue is that they made Vader look so powerful in this show. If Kenobi handles him this easily after getting his power back then he and Yoda should be able to take on the emperor together.
 
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Absolutely incredible finale. Extremely emotional. Just wow some of the best Star Wars ever in this episode for me. And one of my favorite duels in the entire saga. But that’s all I’m gonna say now. I am dipping out of this thread. It’s a chore to wade through pages and pages of the same **** sometimes now in this section of the forums. I see enough of it all over social media now. Becoming such a toxic fandom. It’s sad.

It really is a horrible fandom. Good thing McGregor, Chow, Favreau, Filoni & Christensen don't give a **** about what's said on here or in any message boards.

Season 2 can't come soon enough.
 
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It really is a horrible fandom. Good thing McGregor, Chow, Favreau, Filoni & Christensen don't give a **** about what's said on here or in any message boards.

Season 2 can't come soon enough.
All I have seen is mixed opinions. Good and bad opinions. You focus on what you want to I guess.
 
What can they even do in a season 2? The plot would probably create more plot holes
 
What can they even do in a season 2? The plot would probably create more plot holes

1. Qui-Gon can train Obi-Wan in the ways of the Force the Jedi didn't know about, which he has learned from the netherworld.

2. We can learn about who rescued Grogu during the attack on the Temple.

3. Quinlan Vos can be a supporting character. He's alive and maybe he's the one who rescued Grogu

4. Vader continues hunting down Jedi and his ongoing exploration of the Dark Side. We still don't know who taught Vader how to become a Force Ghost. Pablo Hidalgo said it was someone from the other side.

There's so much that can happen in Season 2. Specially if it's set soon after this season which is still 9 years before ANH. Specially now that we know Obi-Wan will keep his distance and allow Owen and Beru to protect Luke.
 
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I think Vader’s line shows that he feels guilt for what he did during Order 66. If Vader can blame his actions on Anakin as if that was someone other than himself, someone he defeated, then he doesn’t have to acknowledge the guilt that’s gnawing away at his conscience.
Also, moments before, Obi-Wan had apologized to Anakin. An apology is not something hatred can accept, so Vader denies the basis for the apology.

Vader's taunt in 1x03 of "I am what you made me" takes the opposite stance. At any given time, he'll say whatever he needs to prop up his own self-serving view of justice.
 
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Absolutely incredible finale. Extremely emotional. Just wow some of the best Star Wars ever in this episode for me. And one of my favorite duels in the entire saga.
Agreed.

Man, those glimpses of Anakin inside that suit broke my heart. I saw this whole exchange as the last time we will truly see Anakin until ROTJ. I loved how he went from his regular eyes to sith eyes, and the voice was haunting as heck. I have so much to process still, and while the show wasnt perfect, i loved it.
 
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I broke into tears before Ewan did. It was just brutal. He caught himself killing Anakin AGAIN. Hurting his best friend AGAIN. I'm so glad he was evolved enough to stop. I would have stopped. He didn't wanna hurt him. He missed him. His apology was the definition of relief and comfort. Anakin just wasn't ready to let go of his hate. 14 years later, he finally lets go when Luke is getting fried by Palpatine.

Wonderful moment. When he called him "Darth." I was just destroyed. Fantastic storytelling. Poignant and powerful.
 
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Absolutely incredible finale. Extremely emotional. Just wow some of the best Star Wars ever in this episode for me. And one of my favorite duels in the entire saga. But that’s all I’m gonna say now. I am dipping out of this thread. It’s a chore to wade through pages and pages of the same **** sometimes now in this section of the forums. I see enough of it all over social media now. Becoming such a toxic fandom. It’s sad.
Yeah man, I hear ya. It really brings the mood down unfortunately.
 
1. Qui-Gon can train Obi-Wan in the ways of the Force the Jedi didn't know about, which he has learned from the netherworld.

2. We can learn about who rescued Grogu during the attack on the Temple.

3. Quinlan Vos can be a supporting character. He's alive and maybe he's the one who rescued Grogu

4. Vader continues hunting down Jedi and his ongoing exploration of the Dark Side. We still don't know who taught Vader how to become a Force Ghost. Pablo Hidalgo said it was someone from the other side.

There's so much that can happen in Season 2. Specially if it's set soon after this season which is still 9 years before ANH. Specially now that we know Obi-Wan will keep his distance and allow Owen and Beru to protect Luke.
what kind of powers does the netherworld have? it is lightside, darkside, some hybrid or something elese?
 
what kind of powers does the netherworld have? it is lightside, darkside, some hybrid or something elese?
It's beyond what the narrow minded Sequel Trilogy was willing to explore. There's so much there to unpack. The truth about the Jedi. The truth about the Sith. So much ground they can cover by having Qui-Gon instruct Obi-Wan.
 
I liked Reva. What a complicated character. I hope she stays (becomes?) a Jedi.
 
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Overall, really enjoyed the show. It definitely wasn't perfect but I appreciate how much it focused on character. The focus on Obi-Wan's character arc is exactly what I was missing from Book of Boba Fett.

That said, I still think this should've been a movie. I think all the shows main weak points (Inconsistent action, weird filler moments) would've been smoothed out with a film budget and more focused pacing. But i'm glad they stuck the landing in a poignant way.

I know Reva copped a lot of crap from rabid fans, but genuinely interested to see where she ends up next as a character. A former Jedi infiltrating and rising through the ranks of Inquisitors is a very cool concept, and I'd like to see what kind of path she walks now that she's free of that rage.

But please, no Season 2. They had to stretch so much just to fill that show. I'm so, so, so, so ready for something new and removed from the main trilogy at this point.
 
Honestly, the Inquisitors are always interesting characters when you get a good look at one of them. Yeah, they are disposable, mustache twirling villains. Its fun to see what made them into Dark Jedi. Reva and Trilla benefit that. The Grand Inquisitor is fascinating from what we know of him. And I'm still waiting on Inquisitor Offee.

Anyway, revised how I viewed this show. No saber copter. 0/10, will not recommend.
 
Best episode of the series, enjoyed it for the most part... but damn, what a missed opportunity with the whole show. I think Chow became better as it went-- the back half is certainly stronger than the front-- but it's just not up to the quality something like this should have. Could also really, really feel that this was a film script that was broken up and extended.

Laughed/cringed at Roken and Haja's very unearned moments in this.

Lil Leia was way too much in the first two eps, but from the third on they found the right balance for her and was pretty fun.

The Grand Inquisitor was terrible in all ways, look, performance, use in the plot etc.

Loved Owen and Beru defending themselves. And IMO they successfully threaded the needle of having Luke in danger without revealing too much to him.

The fight was really enjoyable, really liked a lot of the moves, was great finally seeing the Force actually integrated it into combat more than usual (and I choose to consciously ignore the whole "should Obi-Wan be able to do that" thing).

McGregor, Christensen and Chow all did great in their final interaction, loved the look of the shattered mask and fluctuating voice. But in terms of the story of the scene... they're not actually saying anything NEW here. I mean, at a basic level it's--
"The boy you trained, gone is he. Consumed by Darth Vader." = "You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker... I did."
"I have failed you, Anakin. I have failed you/Then you are lost!" = "I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Anakin... for all of it/Then my friend is truly dead."

Palps cameo... I think the make-up's been weird on him from RotS onward simply because McDiarmid is older (was quite young in RotJ) and the prosthetics just sit on his face differently etc. But that dialogue... "I wonder if you're clear on this" sounds like a line manager talking about an upcoming project rather than a dark lord of the universe.

Qui-Gon's cameo was so pointless and weirdly executed on top of that. Should have been before the fight, Obi wondering if Qui-Gon was wrong about Ani or if he himself just botched it, insights into how he should approach confronting him next... hell, just about the nature of the Force and destiny etc since Qui-Gon surely now has a new perspective on things... Just something other than "Took you long enough! Alright come on follow me and my weird beard".

Reva's character in the end... Though it's a fairly rote and predictable arc, I think it would have worked really well with good execution. Unfortunately, the issues with the wring, direction and acting just leave it as... bleh.

On the whole... yeah, not a lot new was uncovered here. Some fun beats and definitely flashes of what could have been, but a lot of wrong turns were taken at fundamental levels.
 
this should've been a movie. I think all the shows main weak points (Inconsistent action, weird filler moments) would've been smoothed out with a film budget and more focused pacing. But i'm glad they stuck the landing in a poignant way.
That's my ONE real gripe with the show. I too believe this should have been a movie. 167 minutes in a giant IMAX screen.

Can't win 'em all.
 

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