Patty Jenkins no longer directing "Thor 2"

[Adamantium Man]

Agree 1000%. Marvel are hiring sh** writers (Zak Penn and Don Payne must have permanent homes at MS), and they're going after "affordable" directors. The saving grace on *all* of their movies has been their actors....either they've hired proven talent for the supporting and/or villain roles, or they've given breakthrough roles to talent like RDJ and Hemsworth.

Once Marvel chases the talent away, they've got very little to fall back on in the way of directorial expertise and *no* talent in the screenwriting department.

You have a point. However, so far, most of the actors have gone out of their way to praise the atmosphere of Marvel shoots and gone on record about how pleasant the whole experience was (ith the notable exception of Mickey Rourke). There's no "chasing away the talent". On the contrary. Everyone seems happy to be coming back. (We'll see which way Natalie Portman will jump, granted.)

And you can't in good conscience say that Branagh wasn't a saving grace. Or that Shane Black won't be. Or Joss Whedon. It's not *all* up to the actors.

I stand by my point that it's not so bad as all that. One story got out about behind the scenes shenanigans, and lo and behold, gloom and doom is in season. As I said, stuff like that goes on *everywhere*, *all the time*. The public just doesn't get to hear about it.

 

[Adamantium Man]

Wait, so anyone who isnt completely happy with what Marvel Studio's is doing is a naysayer and detractor? I love Marvel, love their characters, have done since I was a kid, love the comics, and in regards to the movie studio, they have yet to make a movie below average, but at the same time they are yet to make an amazing movie either, they have all been formulaic. SO, see my point above, NON of these movies have had amazing scripts, they have been made better than what they are by the talent involved, if they continue down the road of pissing off the talent they do manage to work with, then eventually talented people wont want to work with them, and then the movies will really turn to ****.

Yeah, sorry about the generalization there. I was addressing the naysayers that say nay all the time and appear on the scene as soon as news like this gets around, because they just got new ammunition. Not directed at justified critics.

 

[roach]

but this isn't one story...if this was the only story I'd agree with you...but there seems to be an emerging pattern

and I don't think you can count Branagh as he won't be directing Thor 2

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agree 1000%. Marvel are hiring sh** writers (Zak Penn and Don Payne must have permanent homes at MS), and they're going after "affordable" directors. The saving grace on *all* of their movies has been their actors....either they've hired proven talent for the supporting and/or villain roles, or they've given breakthrough roles to talent like RDJ and Hemsworth.

Once Marvel chases the talent away, they've got very little to fall back on in the way of directorial expertise and *no* talent in the screenwriting department.

Spot on , the scripts have been average, but made to look good by the great actors they have so far got, this will soon end if they piss off everyone they hire.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, sorry about the generalization there. I was addressing the naysayers that say nay all the time and appear on the scene as soon as news like this gets around, because they just got new ammunition. Not directed at justified critics.

Ah, okay fair enough .

 

[cherokeesam]

You have a point. However, so far, most of the actors have gone out of their way to praise the atmosphere of Marvel shoots and gone on record about how pleasant the whole experience was (ith the notable exception of Mickey Rourke). There's no "chasing away the talent". On the contrary. Everyone seems happy to be coming back. (We'll see which way Natalie Portman will jump, granted.)

And you can't in good conscience say that Branagh wasn't a saving grace. Or that Shane Black won't be. Or Joss Whedon. It's not *all* up to the actors.

I stand by my point that it's not so bad as all that. One story got out about behind the scenes shenanigans, and lo and behold, gloom and doom is in season. As I said, stuff like that goes on *everywhere*, *all the time*. The public just doesn't get to hear about it.

There's also Terrence Howard. And Edward Norton.

 

[batdude]

Look, I don't know if there is a big problem here. Game of Thrones is closer to Thor than Monster. Portman isn't really essential here.Marvel could get say, Jessica Biel to play the Enchantress and I'm not sure very many people would notice. I'm not against hiring a woman to direct one of these things, but I'd rather have an experienced Superhero/Sci Fi fantasy director. Did they even ask Hemsworth or Huddelston's opinion?

 

[jmc]

This is one case where we (the public) learned what's happening at Marvel. But if you know the first thing about the movie business, you know that stuff like this goes on everywhere, all the time. You say read the warning signs. Okay, so we do. Now what? Boycott Marvel movies? And, knowing that stuff like this happens everywhere, boycott movies altogether?

How about being able to call the studio out on their BS tactics? There's too much acceptance of these tactics all in the name of preserving the MCU from some fans, it's like no-one cares who's directing, who's in the cast, what the story is, doesn't matter who's been fired, doesn't matter if they're cheap, just as long as the MCU continues. No-ones demanding better, no-ones wanting more ambition, everyone's fine with acceptable and it pisses me off.

Marvel can do one wrong by me, that is make bad movies. Hasn't happened yet. With a project like that (and everywhere else), there always will be creative differences and resulting recasts. Audiences learn to roll with them. Meanwhile, we get the Avengers and Phase II. As others said, you need creative control for that. Some actors and directors will not be able to live with that, so they don't get hired. Simple as that.

And it's that sort of philosophy that will ultimately drive the really good creative types away and ultimately cause the demise of the MCU. Being so rigid and arrogant will turn people off wanting to work with the studio.

Look, I realize that this is perfect fodder for the naysayers and detractors (and AB, whose posts I'm happy not to be able to read), so go have fun with it while it lasts. I'll take all this gloom and doom seriously when the first MS movie fails at the BO.

Oh great, another generalization. AVEITWITHJAMON summed it up best.

 

[BigThor]

It's attitudes like that which makes me wonder if there's any point in trying to reason with some. It's really sad that a studio has warped the perspective of some of their own fans. Maybe when Marvel do screw something up views will change.

I'm pretty sure my perspective on this subject's been this way long before Marvel Studios existed, but if thinking Marvel Studios has warped my mind helps you sleep at night then by all means gp ahead.

You "couldn't care less" about a solid director leaving or Portman being recast?

What do you care about?

Again, its as if people would be perfectly fine with Feige hiring his pool cleaner to direct THOR II. People would still run and see it just to watch Hemsworth throw the hammer.

I care about getting a film that improves upon the sequel, no matter who the director is. Patty Jenkins was a good director indeed, but was she really the best candidate to direct a Thor film?

C'mon now, let's use our brains.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

How about being able to call the studio out on their BS tactics? There's too much acceptance of these tactics all in the name of preserving the MCU from some fans, it's like no-one cares who's directing, who's in the cast, what the story is, doesn't matter who's been fired, doesn't matter if they're cheap, just as long as the MCU continues. No-ones demanding better, no-ones wanting more ambition, everyone's fine with acceptable and it pisses me off. And it's that sort of philosophy that will ultimately drive the really good creative types away and ultimately cause the demise of the MCU. Being so rigid and arrogant will turn people off wanting to work with the studio.

Perfectly said.

 

[jmc]

Original post removed. Can't be bothered arguing anymore.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'm all for this. Have you seen Game of Thrones?!? Great experience for a Thor movie, because in many ways it's close to the Thor universe. Thor could benefit from some "edge" in the next movie too, since we're past the origin stage.

Moreover, I'd rather not see Natalie Portman. I love her, but she's just not right for Thor. Thor can function better a la James Bond or Batman 89 where you have a new love interest every film. Drop Foster and use Lady Sif and Enchantress instead. Jane Foster has been done to my satisfaction now, so has Don Blake.

 

[kedrell]

Thor does seem to have more female supporting characters and/or villainesses than most other superheroes. This is something to his advantage, should Portman walk.

 

[Mysteryman]

It will take more than a few aricles to convince me that Portman is going to walk.
We still dont have a direct quote from her on any of this .

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

jmc, Shadowlord's constant flaming & baiting will eventually get him booted from these parts. Don't even bother replying to his teenage antics.

 

[04nbod]

I'm all for this. Have you seen Game of Thrones?!? Great experience for a Thor movie, because in many ways it's close to the Thor universe. Thor could benefit from some "edge" in the next movie too, since we're past the origin stage.

Moreover, I'd rather not see Natalie Portman. I love her, but she's just not right for Thor. Thor can function better a la James Bond or Batman 89 where you have a new love interest every film. Drop Foster and use Lady Sif and Enchantress instead. Jane Foster has been done to my satisfaction now, so has Don Blake.

They've barely done anything with Thor and Jane, they left it on a cliffhanger and they didn't show Thor doing anything with the Blake identity properly. How is that enough? Other than the Loki aspect nothing else was really done enough for me. Thor was a start, it needs to keep going on the path its begun because for me they are doing everything right. Using Jane and not Sif as lead, perfect. Using Blake as an ID and not a separate person or personality-spectacular. Using Earth for half the movie- ideal. In fact Thor is getting more right than Thor comics have in decades for me and I'm not entirely sure that was JMS' input.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Well said 04nbod!

They did an amazing job of making THOR a very relatable character.

 

[gkokujin]

dropping Portman and using Lady Sif and Enchantress is the best idea ever...

the problem?

no "earth" connection...EYE don't give a *****, but the STUDIOS will think the general audience does.

 

[TheDragonator]

jmc, Shadowlord's constant flaming & will eventually get him booted from these parts. Don't even bother replying to his teenage antics.

You are the last goddamn person on these boards to talk about flaming and baiting.

You are insanely disrespectful to absolutely everyone who does not share your opinion. You talk down to everyone, and state your opinions as facts, and piss and moan when people don't agree with you.

Do you want to know why we like the 'mediocre' movies Marvel makes? It's not because we're plants, it's not because we're blind fanboys, it's not because we're trolls, it's because we don't think they're mediocre. We like the films. That's why we support them, because we think the results so far have been good. Just because you don't think so doesn't mean it's a fact that they are. We don't have low standards, we have different opinions. I personally am absolutely sick and tired of the crap you constantly pull. You did this with the Avengers boards, got probation, and now you're doing the exact same thing here. The reason people don't like you isn't because we disagree with you: I think JMC is ****ing awesome. Though I disagree with him, I still respect him.

The thing with you is that you recycle the same argument over and over and over and over. It's literally like a broken record. You treat anyone who disagrees with you as trolls or being stupid, and go out of your way to be disrespectful towards people. You always play the victim, even though you not only start the arguments, but you're the one putting others down all the time. Kurosawa is even ****ing better than that, because he at least uses multiple arguments and ideas to support his opinion with. You constantly mock people all the time. You even mocked someone once because they didn't like the idea of the Inhumans being the Avengers villains, to which you responded that they couldn't fathom the idea of the villains being the Inhumans. Which is ironic considering it seems you couldn't fathom the idea of you being wrong, an idea which you STILL, despite the umpteen number of times people have tried to tell you, have not learned. Just because you have an opinion on something, does not mean it is objective fact. The reason we 'settle for mediocre movies' is because we don't consider them mediocre. You do, so you treat it as if we are less intelligent than you.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

^QFT. i wish a mod would just permaban this tool already.

 

[C. Lee]

I suggest EVERYONE in here watch their language and be more respectful of other people's opinions. You can disagree, aregue, debate, and discuss things without being insulting and rude to each other.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Dragonator, do me a favor, please, stop trying to bait me. Not only is it never going to work because I'm too old to engage in a flame war with you, but you're gonna end up getting yourself banned. Also, don't PM me anymore inviting me to get bashed in threads like "Dick of the Year" (which was in no way designed for flaming people without consequence). Another thing, this whole routine you have now of presenting reasons to the forum of why I am the villain in all of this, is not only a waste of both our times, but of thread space. You still don't understand that coming after me doesn't repair any of the damage the studio's already done. You like these films? Fine. That doesn't mean all of us have to swallow whatever Feige feeds us next. Some of us want these films to be more than just summer fare. Again, you don't want things to change? Fine. You don't mind recasting, firing of solid directors & an overall disregard for talent? Fine. But stop attacking those of us that do mind.

 

[Crimson King]

It will take more than a few aricles to convince me that Portman is going to walk.
We still dont have a direct quote from her on any of this .

How dare you wait until you know the facts before you believe something.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I personally dont think we needed another warning sign, there are alreadt plenty, but this is just the icing on the cake, whats the point in hiring good, high profile professionals if all they are gonna do is piss them off and dump them if they dont agree with them.

Favreau, Norton, Howard, Rourke and now possibly Portman all seemingly dont like working with the studio, eventually they arent going to be able to attract anything like the talent they have so far for their movies. This is just ridiculous management by Marvel, their films may be successful now, but if they keep churning out formulaic films, without the extra help from great actors and actresses, their stock is going drop FAST with the GA.


Same here, I am still pissed off and find it REALLY jarring that Howard is no longer War Machine and Norton is no longer Bruce Banner. If Portman goes as well and they just re-cast the character, I may give up on this sequel altogether. Marvel really is getting ridiculous, how are we supposed to believe this is a shared universe when actors/actresses and directors are being change willy-nilly?

1st, Howard can suck it, there is no way in his own idiot mind that he thinks he can make more money and get top billing over Robert Downey Jr.

2nd, War Machine (the armor and how Rhodey got it) never should've been in the second movie. THAT was the problem in Iron Man 2. Look at the the prologue for Dark Knight Rises, look at the trailer, Bane is made to look like a badass and an actual threat in that movie. By the time that movie is released on video, Nolan will have taken a 3rd tier Batman villain and make him an unforgettable movie villain. Something Favreau couldn't accomplish with Rourke as Whiplash because of idiot fanboy demands for War Machine.

Jane wasn't the problem with Thor. It was the inclusion of SHIELD that took away from Thor and Jane's budding relationship....

Take out SHIELD and the film doesn't change one bit, except you get more of Thor, Jane, Loki, Frigga, the Warriors 3, and Lady Sif...

Really? You're still with this same tired argument? If not SHIELD, then who? The CIA? FBI? Some other faceless organization? Or should they have gone the way of other inept law enforcement agencies like in the TDK and ignore those types of situations?

Also, SHIELD was barely in the movie, and what did you want from Thor and Jane? some steamy sex scene like in Watchmen after a couple of hours of them knowing each other?

 

[BigThor]

Really? You're still with this same tired argument? If not SHIELD, then who? The CIA? FBI? Some other faceless organization? Or should they have gone the way of other inept law enforcement agencies like in the TDK and ignore those types of situations?

Also, SHIELD was barely in the movie, and what did you want from Thor and Jane? some steamy sex scene like in Watchmen after a couple of hours of them knowing each other?

That's what I'm saying, good grief talk about setting the bar too high.