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Pre-Crisis Superman Can Beat SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta

Originally posted by Mr. X
Goku's pretty consistently very bad ass...

Agreed.

And you know, it always boils down to Goku vs. Superman or other insane being.

Heres a note, there are alot of villains out there whose abilities might not have matched Goku, but would easily crush any super hero, even more efficently then Goku.

Super Buu (After absorbing Gohan) is a good example, as he would probably absorb Superman, lol
 
MFM obviously doesn't know jack **** about dragonball. His points about Goku aren't even his own and are wrong.

Can't survive extreme heat or cold:rolleyes:

I'm sure when a Ki blast explodes and leaves a mushroom cloud a few miles up its only luke warm:rolleyes:

Goku faces two magic dragon one with the power of heat and the other with cold. The fire dragons body was hotter than the sun. He even says this. His body is over SIX THOUSAND degrees and goku fights him in SSJ4 mode without getting toasted. He fights the Ice dragon who freezes him and the entire city solid in seconds. Goku busts out with no damage. Goku has taken a bath in molten lava without a scratch. Goku got frozen solid while in hell by cell and frieza .He busts out without a scratch.


I've always thought it was funny when superman fans use "he survived a super nova" as feat.

Wow he survived an explosion of SOLAR energy, I'm sooooo impressed:rolleyes:

Look mate its all well and nice that you read superman but if you don't know anything about goku and are just getting second hand rubbish from so called DB fans. Then why are you even bothering to debate? You're too uninformed.

As for your 1000 years of training LOL

Superman can train for a million years and he would never be even 1/10 the martial artist Goku is:D

Btw did I mention that Goku is immortal? Whats supes going to do Kill him?? bwhahahahaha

As for heat vsion deflecting anything. What a load of rubbsh. Everyone knows that you can make ki blasts that ABSORB energy and add it to the blast. Heat vision would only make the blast coming back at him stronger:up:

Not only that a ki blast isn't some laser where you fire it and it goes in one direction. It can be controlled by the user to go in any direction, split into two, stop etc etc

What if Goku does the triform, split form or multi form technique? He'd be figting multiple Gokus then:D

What if Goku uses the Hashuken?

Where he gets EIGHT arms and fight with all of them at the same time??

What about the Kiaiho?

Telekinetic force attacks (we've all seen manchester black throw superman around with those:D)

What about the Zanzoken?

Goku can leave multiple images of himself around so you don't which one is the real goku:up:

What about the ryu-ken (dragon fist)??

Goku summons a god damn godzilla sized dragon to kick ass with him:up:
 
Yes, actually it was, so was the Trunks Special. - langoth

Nope. They were written by TOEI.

Lol, the narrator of the Trunks Special is crazy. He went: "Piccolo was the first to try, and the first to die. Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, and even Krillin couldn't stop the androids." The "even Krillin"
remark the narrator made implies that Krillin > SSJ Vegeta, which is far from true.
 
Originally posted by Krpton

Nope. They were written by TOEI.

You're missing the point moron. All of that happened whether put into manga form or not. Goku and others did die and trunks got sent back. Goku got sent to earth as a baby and his father and the planet vegeta did die at the hands of frieza.

Lol, the narrator of the Trunks Special is crazy. He went: "Piccolo was the first to try, and the first to die. Vegeta, Tien, Yamcha, and even Krillin couldn't stop the androids." The "even Krillin"
remark the narrator made implies that Krillin > SSJ Vegeta, which is far from true.

Yeah thats exactly what the narrator was implying:rolleyes:

Nothing gets past you...what a **** you are
 
He didn't mean it that way, Krillin didn't really fight anymore so he was the most unlikely to try to fight them. It was meant to show how desperate the situation was that even Krillin tried.
 
There is a reason why Piccolo died first too... no Piccolo, no Dragonballs.
 
^The "even Krillin" is heavily implying that Krillin > the Z gang (except Goku) because the "even" is there, indicating that Krillin is strong. Usually when someones says "even" before the last person is announced, it means that that person is stronger than the rest. This just shows how stupid the narrator is.


anyway who cares, the movies dont count in arguments, even if its in continuity and specials, they was not written by AT, it was done by toei. only the anime counts.
 
Originally posted by Krpton
Yes, actually it was, so was the Trunks Special. - langoth

Nope. They were written by TOEI.


Wrong. Actually, the Trunks special was loosely based on a (bonus) manga story written by Akira Toriyama. Now, for the Bardock Special, there's a part in the manga where Freezer, after his first glimpse at Goku, remembers a soldier who fought like crazy when he destroyed planet Vegeta. That solier was Bardock. Toei extended that part and made the Bardock special. So yeah, Both TV specials are acutally part of the continuity.
 
then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

i never heard of that bonus manga, r u sure ur not lieing, it would be nice if u showed some proof though?
 
Originally posted by Krpton
^The "even Krillin" is heavily implying that Krillin > the Z gang (except Goku) because the "even" is there, indicating that Krillin is strong. Usually when someones says "even" before the last person is announced, it means that that person is stronger than the rest. This just shows how stupid the narrator is.


anyway who cares, the movies dont count in arguments, even if its in continuity and specials, they was not written by AT, it was done by toei. only the anime counts.

Usually thats the case, but not this time. It said "even" because Krillen was the least likely to fight and even he tried.
 
Usually thats the case, but not this time. It said "even" because Krillen was the least likely to fight and even he tried.

then wht was the point in saying "even", its just normal.
 
It was meant to show how desperate the situation was. They were so badly outmatched even Krillin jumped in to add what he could.
 
Originally posted by Krpton
then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

i never heard of that bonus manga, r u sure ur not lieing, it would be nice if u showed some proof though?

YOU SAY that you've got the manga on your computer so why would proof need to be shown??

I'll tell you why

Because you haven't read the manga and you haven't got it on your PC you lying sack of excrement


You get ALL your info off crappy DBZ websites and message boards:D


OMG bwhahahahhaa

Your stupidity rises every seconds of the ****ing day:D
The bonus story is IN the manga. It all written by torayama san. You change your ****ing tune every 5 seconds to suit your ****ty argument.


Goku needed a pod because IT WAS TOO FAR WAY TO TRAVEL.

Bardock was in space for a short time so it does make sense. It just that your ******ed brain doesn't understand:up:
 
Krpton's now offically up there with Akira Dee and Diamond Head for pure friggin stupidity. Why are you on a mission to try and prove that Superman's better then Goku or whatever? ****ing pathetic. :rolleyes: :o
 
Originally posted by Mr. X
Krpton's now offically up there with Akira Dee and Diamond Head for pure friggin stupidity. Why are you on a mission to try and prove that Superman's better then Goku or whatever? ****ing pathetic. :rolleyes: :o

LOL

:up:

If you want a good idea on his complete stupidity, read this post guyverjay wrote in the other thread. Make sure to read point 20 LOL:D

Originally posted by Guyverjay
Okay lets recap on the garbage krpton has spewed in this thread (for the benefit of those who can't be bothered to read through all of it.) shall we

1)Gotenks took 20 minutes (yes he said 20 and not 30 my mistake ) to fly around the earth 8 times (dispite the fact it was 9 times). He said it states 20 mins in the manga (rubbish). Then he later on says that NOONE really knows:rolleyes:

2)IT is the speed of light, so gokus maximum speed must be slower. )Despite the fact that in the original manga (which he says he has read) it never gives a speed)

3)Superman can put moisture into energy

4)Post crisis Superman can travel 20 times the speed of light (despite the fact that DC says 99% )

5)Saying that superman going into the sun is an act of durability (despite the fact that it is his power source)

6) Mentioning cooler being killed in the sun to back up DB characters not being as durable as superman . Then later on saying that the movies don't actually matter

7)Posting Dragoball facts from another website and then pretending they are his own points

8)Not being able to explain the buus (despite saying that he's read the manga) and having to ASK on another messageboard for the answer

9) Completely making up some purifying process nonsense in GT to disprove Goku may be immortal

10)Superman can't be ripped apart( despite the fact thats he's been beaten to death twice)

11)Superman can blow hard enough to bend the fabric of existance

12) Goku was scared of getting blown up with the planet namek. (despite the fact that he CHOSE to stay)

13)Using Mystic gohans death from the implosion of earth to prove that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet. (Despite the fact that Gohan was unconcious and drained of energy from being inside of buu.)

14) Saying Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet (despite the fact that the weaker frieza could.). In fact the weaker freiza was dying BEFORE the planet even went up but he still survived the explosion and lasted long enough to be rescued. Of course Freiza bot then decided to destroy the earth (when fighting trunks) with a blast that was 10 times more powerful than the one used on Namek. If he couldn't survive a planet exploding why would he blow it up while he was still on it?

15)Superman is immortal

16) Superman will go to the sun and get a boost and that energy will be with him forever. (despite the fact that supes is a battery and his energy can run out). Not ony that but he seems to think that whenever supes is in trouble he will just go off into the sun. .

17)SS4 Goku is only slightly stronger than mystic Gohan (**** knows where you got that from)

18)Talking about a WW3 JLA issue (a comic that he's never read)

19) Saying that Goku is NOT stronger than Superman (despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove that Goku is weaker because he's never been shown to reach a limit, and he says WE speculate?)

20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

21)Superman doesn't get injured (ever heard of Doomsday?)

22)Superman is apparently a fighting genius:rolleyes: (LOL)

23)Superman can BLOW a kamahamaha wave back

24) Ki blasts don't move at super speed (despite the fact they can reach the sun in seconds when it take Superman 8 MINUTES)

25)Superman has mastered super speed fighting (despite the fact that he virtually never actually does it,. He regularly gets hit by people who are nowhere near his speed)

26)Superman can freeze PURE ENERGY ( I don't think I need to bother explaining that one)

27)Apparently martial arts in a fight doesn't really matter because "a punch is a punch and kick is a kick"

28)If you're stronger and faster than your opponent, you don't need fighting skills(tell that to Batman and Caprtain america)

29)Using Smallville as evidence and then saying its based on the comics (the only thing they have in common are the names of some of the characters:D )

30)He says the Hulk has the abilty to stop objects crumbling under thier own weight just like Superman (dispite the fact that ths has never been stated in his entire 40 year history)

31) Breath has spirit energy because it comes from inside your body (my god this stuff gets worse)

32) Superboy gets his Tactile telekinisis from superman because he's a clone, therefore Superman has tactile TK. (Despite the fact that superboy is NOT a perfect clone of supes (he's part human) because that its IMPOSSIBLE and superman not actually having that power)


33)Saying that he will SCAN his manga to show us the panels of Gohan teaching Videl. (Then not only NOT doing it but later on stating that he actually had it on it on his computer, read it and deleted it a long time ago:rolleyes: )

34)A wooden splinter entering your body automatically becomes Ki energy (LOL)

35)He says at one time superman could do ANYTHING that you can imagine

36)Superman solar energy stores is enough power to destroy the universe, (Despite the fact even if the entire sun were to blow it wouldn't even destroy 1% of the galaxy)

37)Using Supermans turning back time in the movie by rotatiing the earth as an example, But then later saying you can't use Dragonball movies as examples

38)Saying a giant ape had enough power to destroy the planet despite it not being able to break out of a steel cage)

39)Supes can tickle Goku to death

40)Saying that only the manga matters then using parts of GT in his argument

41) Using Kingdom come in his superman examples (despite the fact that it isn't continuity and he hasn't read it)

42) Accepting comic evidence whenever supes does something spectacular but disregarding it (saying it doesn't matter) when he gets his ass kicked

No doubt there is more (and yes I was bored, being off work with the flu will do that:p)

Yes this a long post, not as long as his combined drivvle (since he's repeated himself like 100 times since he entered the thread).

bwhahaha
 
Originally posted by Krpton
then y did goku need a space pod in the manga to explain from namek, it because he coulnt breath in space. and the movie bardock was in space when he was fight back at frieza, it doesnr make sense does it.

orginal manga>>>>bonus manga.

I never heard of that bonus manga. Are you sure you're not lying? It would be nice if you showed some proof though?

You want proof?

I got your damn proof right here:

http://dotchan.com/tts/

The WHOLE DAMN STORY is there for you to read it.
 
Now even though I've been wanting to stay out of this I must say

OWNED:D
 
Now even though I've been wanting to stay out of this I must say

OWNED



y, i wanted proof and i got it, i didnt mean it in a bad way asking for proof. y did i get owned, i got what i wanted.
 
also, do u know how dbz was to be finished, it was goku doeing in space, when he couldnt find a space pod after defeating frieza, so he dies as the LSSJ, but toei forced him to continue with the manga. so AT made goku find a space pod, so goku cannot breathe in space.
 
20)Superman can get a power boost from a RED STAR (do I even to explain the absolute stupidity of that one???)

also jay, i never said that, show me the link i said that, u just made that bit up, or accidently did, but i never said that.
 



YOU SAY that you've got the manga on your computer so why would proof need to be shown??

I'll tell you why

Because you haven't read the manga and you haven't got it on your PC you lying sack of excrement


how many times do i have to say this, i HAD the manag on my pc, downloaded from cdisplay, then got deleted.
 
If you really had the manga, you would have remembered that part, you are a liar Krpton, know why you would have remembered? Because that part is kinda memorable, thatis unless your ******ed, which would make alot of sense at this point.
 
but i downloaded it, and i never got the bonus manga or whtever it is.
 

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