Prince of Persia:The Sands of Time

[carrrnuttt]

how should a Persian look??

I don't know how they "should" look, but I do know how they "actually" look. Every picture below is of an Iranian/Persian celebrity:

Here's more about that ^ movie, to prove that that's about as Persian as Persian gets: http://www.persianmirror.com/Article_det.cfm?id=2074&getArticleCategory=79&getArticleSubCategory=127

Now, let's compare:

 

[carrrnuttt]

I didn't even include Sarah Shahi, who played a WHITE woman on the TV show "Life."

 

[BlackLantern]

i love Sarah Shahi....yea her characters name was Dani Reese....Im still mad at NBC for cancelling that

 

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't say all anybody looked like anything.

If Persians look just like white people, whats the harm in casting a Persian or somebody from that general area then? I love Jake and believe that he will do a good job but he isn't a big star. He doesn't exactly bring people out to the theaters. Hell, if Prince of Persia has a bad run at the boxoffice my point will be proven even more.

Jake isn't a huge star but he is well known and very good PR for chat shows and magazine interviews, he's a smart casting choice imo as I feel that he looks pretty close to the game version, isn't such a big star that he overshadows the movie, but is a big enough star that ppl know him.

Man, I didn't mean to start a huge argument I just saw the trailer and thought, hmm, Jake looks silly. And not Persian or badass.

In truth the Prince has never been badass, he is more of a fop type.

No.

You were explaining how you were biased against the movie because of your own stereotyping of how Persians "should" look. It's a sign of a narrow and uneducated mind. Think of this as free schooling as I shock you into educating yourself about the world more, before you bring your pre-conceived notions into discussions where it doesn't belong.

Pay attention to what you wrote again:

Knock it off, reading back through these last few pages your rudeness to Pickles is not gonna fly here, I don't even agree with her but she has a right to a view the same as everyone else, and she has the right to give it without being condescended to by you or anyone else.

 

[BlackLantern]

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

 

[Hunter Rider]

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

That's ******** and you know it, your infraction yesterday had nothing do with our debate, I mean you had no point, you were just spitting your class system bile, your infraction was for posting a racially unacceptable word and you know it, so please be a man not a coward by trying to start ****.

 

[BlackLantern]

maybe Disney will come out with Dagger of Time toys...I want one

 

[carrrnuttt]

"They couldn't even find a Middle Eastern actor and had to pick the whitest white guy? How rude and insulting."

My original comment did have to do with the fact that it IS unfair in film not to at least cast the nationality that a movie is about...

Really? So did you care that an Australian played a Canadian? (Hugh Jackman), or that a Brit played an all-American icon? (Christian Bale)

How many foreign actors have been suggested to play Captain America? Are you upset that an Australian is playing a Norwegian God?

See, what you're not realizing is you're the one being "insulting," by assuming a "Middle Eastern" person is supposed to look a certain way.

the mods do back their own...even former ones....watch it carrrnuttt or HR will infract you for making a good point....

happened to me yesterday

Thanks for the warning.

I guess if calling out stereotyping disguised as cultural sensitivity/political correctness in here is being "rude," I guess I am one rude sonofa-B.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Really? So did you care that an Australian played a Canadian? (Hugh Jackman), or that a Brit played an all-American icon? (Christian Bale)

How many foreign actors have been suggested to play Captain America? Are you upset that an Australian is playing a Norwegian God?

See, what you're not realizing is you're the one being "insulting," by assuming a "Middle Eastern" person is supposed to look a certain way.

For starters you are at it again, she has l;eft this behind and I suggest you do the same, also if you'd read her post properly you'd see the first bit you go off on was a quote from her boyfriend, not her, so maybe you should PM him with your questions.

Also you do realize the most Persian people are a different colour to white people right? all those other examples are Caucasians no matter where they come from.

Personally I have no issue with the casting but it's not hard to see why others do, and your one man crusade to stop them having a view is getting tiresome.

Thanks for the warning.

I guess if calling out stereotyping disguised as cultural sensitivity/political correctness in here is being "rude," I guess I am one rude sonofa-B.

No, you don't need a warning, any infraction you may receive from me will be b/c you broke board rules, just because you think you have a point does not give you the right to address the person you are talking to like something you stepped in, there in lies the difference.

 

[AndThePickles]

Perhaps if I was actually upset about the issue, or if the comment had stemmed from something other than a joke in the first place, I'd debate about it. Jake is white, cast as a Persian man, and that's that. I hope he plays the role of the character well.

You've already stated that I'm uneducated and narrow minded, so I'd rather you keep that opinion rather than de-rail this thread any more than has already occurred.

 

[Anubis]

I'd just like to say that I don't particularly give a s**t either way.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Also you do realize the most Persian people are a different colour to white people right? all those other examples are Caucasians no matter where they come from.

The issue wasn't about ethnic background, modman:

My original comment did have to do with the fact that it IS unfair in film not to at least cast the nationality that a movie is about...

American...British...Canadian...Norwegian. All different nationalities. We've also established earlier in this thread, that in fact, Persians, especially of the royal set, were also Caucasian. In fact, the term "Aryan" is Persian.

ALL of this was already covered and [I thought] taken care of in this thread already. Some of it in direct response to ATP's earlier posts of a similar nature (so I don't need to blame her boyfriend about her viewpoints). This is why I find it supremely irritating that she'd bring in the same arguments at a time when those responses to her narrow mindset had already been forgotten.

So, the fact that she's all feeling PC about this movie all of a sudden, I find hypocritical, since she's not all up in arms about the other examples of Caucasians playing Caucasians I mentioned. You know why? Because she carries in her head a stereotype that people from the Middle East are supposed to look a certain way, or they have to be a specific ethnicity, therefore, Jake, a Caucasian man, cannot possibly represent someone from the area.

Oh, thanks for proving that you carry the stereotype within you as well. I used to date a Persian woman, and was good friends with an unrelated Persian guy. Both of them could pass for white people. At the very worst, at the gatherings I had seen, they'd pass for light-skinned Mexicans or Italians.

The stereotype you carry in your mind stems from modern Iranians. You can equate them with modern Mexicans, who look a certain stereotypical way, because they are generally European (Spanish) mixed with Aztec Indians. In the meantime, the Mexican soap operas show people that are Caucasian, because these people are generally still intact with pure Spanish blood, or at least have dominant Spanish traits.

Ancient Persia spanned all the way to Greece, hence the Greco-Persian wars. Despite what you saw in the movie "300," the fact of the matter is, it is actually more likely that the Persians in the actual battle were the light-skinned ones, while it was the Spartans that were a lot darker.

 

[TheVileOne]

Basically, Persians = white folk. So its all good.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The issue wasn't about ethnic background, modman:



American...British...Canadian...Norwegian. All different nationalities. We've also established earlier in this thread, that in fact, Persians, especially of the royal set, were also Caucasian. In fact, the term "Aryan" is Persian.

ALL of this was already covered and [I thought] taken care of in this thread already. Some of it in direct response to ATP's earlier posts of a similar nature (so I don't need to blame her boyfriend about her viewpoints). This is why I find it supremely irritating that she'd bring in the same arguments at a time when those responses to her narrow mindset had already been forgotten.

So, the fact that she's all feeling PC about this movie all of a sudden, I find hypocritical, since she's not all up in arms about the other examples of Caucasians playing Caucasians I mentioned. You know why? Because she carries in her head a stereotype that people from the Middle East are supposed to look a certain way, or they have to be a specific ethnicity, therefore, Jake, a Caucasian man, cannot possibly represent someone from the area.

Oh, thanks for proving that you carry the stereotype within you as well. I used to date a Persian woman, and was good friends with an unrelated Persian guy. Both of them could pass for white people. At the very worst, at the gatherings I had seen, they'd pass for light-skinned Mexicans or Italians.

The stereotype you carry in your mind stems from modern Iranians. You can equate them with modern Mexicans, who look a certain stereotypical way, because they are generally European (Spanish) mixed with Aztec Indians. In the meantime, the Mexican soap operas show people that are Caucasian, because these people are generally still intact with pure Spanish blood, or at least have dominant Spanish traits.

Ancient Persia spanned all the way to Greece, hence the Greco-Persian wars. Despite what you saw in the movie "300," the fact of the matter is, it is actually more likely that the Persians in the actual battle were the light-skinned ones, while it was the Spartans that were a lot darker.

Ooooooo "Modman" you're so badass. Most Persian's do not pass as white people, your misconception that they do is wrong, hence why most people don't think when they look at Jim Carrey "Gee he could be Persian" the bolded part is about the only accurate thing in this bloviation.......and YOU have missed the main point, your self righteous and pious drivel is tiresome and needs to stop now.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Most Persian's do not pass as white people...

PROVE it, "adminman." Don't forget, we ARE talking about PERSIANS, not Iranians. Not to mention, ANCIENT ROYAL PERSIANS. I have posted all kinds of proof and pictures to support my contention, which I learned from ACTUAL Persians, by the way. Where did you learn what you learned, to arrive at the conclusion that you did?

Just for further illustration, here's the last Shah of Iran, before the current Islamic statehood took over:

Hell, here's an interesting side-by-side someone made of the Ayatollah of Iran, the man who took power after the Shah:

Your turn. "Pious" as I may sound, at least I back my assertions with proof and knowledge. Show me that you aren't just reinforcing a stereotype to earn brownie points from a female member who also happened to be a former moderator. Show me that you are arguing against me because you carry some knowledge that I don't. Educate me.

By the way, without looking it up on Google, I bet you don't know what religion most Persians are, at least in the US. There's a reason why they all fled to the US when the Ayatollah took over, turning Iran into an Islamic state.

EDIT: Here are two popular depictions of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire:

In the first one, he looks more like Gerard Butler in "300." I won't even start on the second depiction.

 

[bunk]

You're making a fool of yourself now.

 

[Hunter Rider]

PROVE it, "adminman." Don't forget, we ARE talking about PERSIANS, not Iranians. Not to mention, ANCIENT ROYAL PERSIANS. I have posted all kinds of proof and pictures to support my contention, which I learned from ACTUAL Persians, by the way. Where did you learn what you learned, to arrive at the conclusion that you did?

Just for further illustration, here's the last Shah of Iran, before the current Islamic statehood took over:

Hell, here's an interesting side-by-side someone made of the Ayatollah of Iran, the man who took power after the Shah:

Your turn. "Pious" as I may sound, at least I back my assertions with proof and knowledge. Show me that you aren't just reinforcing a stereotype to earn brownie points from a female member who also happened to be a former moderator. Show me that you are arguing against me because you carry some knowledge that I don't. Educate me.

By the way, without looking it up on Google, I bet you don't know what religion most Persians are, at least in the US. There's a reason why they all fled to the US when the Ayatollah took over, turning Iran into an Islamic state.

EDIT: Here are two popular depictions of Cyrus the Great, the founder of the Persian Empire:

In the first one, he looks more like Gerard Butler in "300." I won't even start on the second depiction.

There isn't an ounce of proof here, you posted a bunch of pics just like you did before, and not many ppl would mistake any of them (real pics not drawings) as white.

My purpose in this thread wasn't just about your attack on Pickles, in case you hadn't noticed champ, most of this thread think you're a fool and are sick of you derailing it, that is why I'm here, now this is your last chance, I've been really lenient with your arrogant windbag ass, but my patience are wearing thin.

 

[Silver Knight]

Come on guys, lets steer back on topic please.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

You know. The people asking for Persian actors think they are all black/dark skinned.
This is a stereotype associated with all non-American races except Northern Europe.
And it's borderline racist.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

To be fair I understand where Carrrnutt is coming from to an extent. I believe he/she is stating that Hollywood shouldn't be ashamed of actually casting a Persian actor.

Persians have more of a darker complexion and perhaps they can say that in the film he is half Persian or something. But as a whole I understand where she's coming from in his/her statements. Perhaps people just need to calm down and actually understand what the person is saying?

I love the games and from what I've seen the film looks good.

 

[Hunter Rider]

To be fair I understand where Carrrnutt is coming from to an extent. I believe he/she is stating that Hollywood shouldn't be ashamed of actually casting a Persian actor.

Persians have more of a darker complexion and perhaps they can say that in the film he is half Persian or something. But as a whole I understand where she's coming from in his/her statements. Perhaps people just need to calm down and actually understand what the person is saying?

I love the games and from what I've seen the film looks good.

No, he's saying some Persian's look white and everyone who thinks they are darker is wrong and carrying a stereotype.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You know. The people asking for Persian actors think they are all black/dark skinned.
This is a stereotype associated with all non-American races except Northern Europe.
And it's borderline racist.

What about Eastern Europe? No one thinks of Romanians or Bulgarians being dark skinned.

 

[zanos]

Have ppl lost their minds? What difference does it make? It's a silly movie based on a silly video game.

 

[CelticPredator]

THIS IS SPARTAAA!!111 Raaawwerr!

 

[AnorexicBatman]

Hey! How badass it would be if Leonidas fought the Prince?
It's be a stalemate. If the Prince has the dagger, he wins.