Prometheus - Part 10

Some nice effects and production design, and that was it.

If anyone who hasn't seen it asks me if it's worth it, my advice is what everyone in this (for lack of a better term) story should have done....don't touch it.


6/10 - D
 
It makes spotting the references more fun though. Plus the first two are even better than this one.
 
I know I'm in the distant minority, but I think Prometheus is my favorite of the series.
 
The Dark Defender - you're right, you are in the distant minority with that. Wow, how could even dare to put it in the same category as Alien and Aliens? Mind-boggingly. I understand that Prometheus had a great premise, but man is it poorly executed. Characters are so poorly written, it's not even funny. A large group of scientists that also happen to be morons? Come on.
 
It's mind-boggling to me that people think Ripley is such a great character in the original Alien. She's not that interesting, Shaw was a far more compelling character.

I like Alien and Aliens, but I don't put them on nearly the same untouchable platform that most do.
 
Ripley is good because the story is so simple.
 
I don't think that makes a character particularly interesting.

Yes, Alien is a pretty simple, straightforward, atmospheric horror/sci-fi movie, and it works.
I don't think the characters are anything special though, less interesting than the ensemble in Prometheus.
 
I know I'm in the distant minority, but I think Prometheus is my favorite of the series.

I wouldn't got that far, but I put Prometheus really damn close to them. But I'd lump Alien 3 with them as well, I'm too much of an Alien series mark.
 
Ripley in Alien is compelling primarily because of Sigourney's measured and sympathetic performance, and because the story is constructed to allow her to emerge from anonymity to become the last human being with whom we instinctively empathise. There is nothing 'interesting' about the character objectively, but that is precisely the point: she is 'just' an ordinary woman, albeit a very brave and resourceful one.

I liked Shaw, too, but the development of her character was impeded by some of the wooden, stock characters surrounding her. Thankfully, they are all dead, permitting a more satisfying sequel.
 
I think Weaver is a really good actress, but so's Noomi and she had more to work with as far as character depth and complexity.

I really like Shaw, David and Janek alot in Prometheus, and I found Vickers interesting.
 
I thought Janek was paper-thin. Isn't his appeal limited to the fact he was played by Idris Elba?
 
That has alot to do with it, maybe not an especially deep character, but pretty likable and selfless.
 
Sometimes a character doesn't have to deep. Idris Elba is too damn likeable and cool so you care when he rams the Juggernaut.
 
I know I'm in the distant minority, but I think Prometheus is my favorite of the series.

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Even these guys dont believe you :woot:

But i agree with you that Ripley is a simple character. That«'s the beauty of it. She starts as a secondary character , who's there to do her job as fast as she can , follow protocol and the moment ***** arises she's the only crew member with "balls" and discernment to address the whole situation. It's her ascension during the movie that's quite awesome.
 
Yes, Alien is a pretty simple, straightforward, atmospheric horror/sci-fi movie, and it works.
I don't think the characters are anything special though, less interesting than the ensemble in Prometheus
The mining crew of Alien didn't have conspicuously assigned character arcs, but great natural dialogue and genuine, believable interactions made them not a chore to watch on screen.
 
have conspicuously assigned character arcs
That is a perfect description of the flaw in Prometheus. Apart from Shaw, they are all stock characters- even David follows the trope established by Ian Holm in Alien, albeit with different nuances.
 
It's mind-boggling to me that people think Ripley is such a great character in the original Alien. She's not that interesting, Shaw was a far more compelling character.

I like Alien and Aliens, but I don't put them on nearly the same untouchable platform that most do.

Going by the scripture in your signature, I'm guessing you found her character compelling due to her struggle between scientific fact and faith? If that's the case, I can sort of see where you're coming from.

On the other hand, though, like others have said, Ripley is interesting for the simple fact that she's not a complex character facing moral dilemmas and what not. She's just an everyday person thrown into circumstances out of her control, and the more and more the movie progresses, the more we see her character fleshed out and her resourcefulness revealed through the tough situations she has to face. I love characters like that. They're like onions. The more layers that are peeled back, the more we learn about that character.

It's always more interesting to me to see a seemingly simple character become more complex, not through words, but actions. I hate nowadays how most character development is mostly spelled out with exposition through dialogue fed to the audience. Not only is that direct and boring, it doesn't give the audience much room to guess the characters intentions and where they're coming from. If you start right out of the gate knowing nearly everything about a certain character, then what's left to know about them?

And that's another thing why the characters in Prometheus weren't as interesting in Alien. The characters in Prometheus were just that, characters. None of them felt like real people. They always just seemed like actors acting in a movie. They always felt like they were being guided through a narrative, acting out what they were supposed to do and delivering their lines to the audience. Not to mention that the majority of the characters were written like idiots, so it was hard to feel sympathy for any of them when they were killed.

In Alien, even though they were written a certain way, the individual actors always made the character their own through their own personalities and actions. Sometimes, they would even go off script and do their own thing. Through their various interactions, you really got the sense that these characters have known each other for quite some time, and you forget that there are actors on screen. I think that's what made each of the characters deaths so effective. It almost seemed like you were witnessing the death of a real person who was filmed on camera. It's quite a surreal experience.

I personally disagree with you, but I'm not going to hold it against you. :yay:
 
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The mining crew of Alien didn't have conspicuously assigned character arcs, but great natural dialogue and genuine, believable interactions made them not a chore to watch on screen.

You are a hero.
 
Aliens is #1 for me. Prometheus is #2.

The original Alien is a classic of sorts, but I find it tedious to watch, especially with all the endless "cat hunting" scenes.
 
Aliens is #1 for me. Prometheus is #2.

The original Alien is a classic of sorts, but I find it tedious to watch, especially with all the endless "cat hunting" scenes.

The original is far and away my favorite, but I won't lie, the cat reference in Community was great.

"But what about the zombies?"
"Backburner Troy! This cat has to be dealt with!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvxDs7jGBHM
 
What makes Alien the greatest is that, after an initial viewing of the film as merely a horror picture, subsequent viewings have essays and essays worth of psycho-sexual subtext to mule over. It is easily the 'deepest' film in the franchise.
 
What makes Alien the greatest is that, after an initial viewing of the film as merely a horror picture, subsequent viewings have essays and essays worth of psycho-sexual subtext to mule over. It is easily the 'deepest' film in the franchise.

I'd also add that the cinematography is still breathtaking. There are only a few moments in the film where the effects looked dated.

I love Aliens as an action film, but when you compare the two on a purely cinematic level, Aliens looks like a made for TV movie compared to Alien.
 
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