Prometheus - Part 2

[cherokeesam]

About the whole R vs. PG-13 rating:

Yeah, an R rating does not automatically somehow make a film more "cool," nor does it automatically somehow make a film less likely to be a blockbuster.

But in the case of the Alien franchise specifically, it's simply a matter of sticking to tradition. The Alien (and by extension Predator/AVP) franchise has *always* been rated R (with the sole exception of the utterly useless AVP '04). It's horror sci-fi, and has always leaned more towards the horror end than the sf. So making this a PG-13 movie would be an unmitigated disaster for the *sole* reason that it goes completely against everything the previous movies stood for, and against the target audiences the franchise has always aimed at.

It's not open to negotiation. This is an R-rated movie. Or else it is an epic fail, right out of the box. Guar-own-teed.

 

[dude stannis]

Not really. Alien in terms of gore is a light R film. In terms of atmosphere, who knows.

That's the gamble here. Assuming whatever new body horror can sustain a PG-13 rating, can we achieve the Lovecraftian atmosphere or will the MPAA say it's too much.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well there's a difference between once being 18/19 and now being almost 24. Like I said Prometheus will work just fine.

Even at 18/19 you'd have to admit some of the responses on here for that age are cringe inducing in their tantrum nature.

Graphic; no, matter of fact; yes. You can't deny Terminator 4 had no real war scenes like the opening of Terminator 2.

As for McClane, I just wanted loose improvised performances like in 1 and With a Vengeance etc.

Well there wasn't actually any real war scenes in Salvation bar at the very start, however I'd not consider the scenes at the start of T2 R rated, I think they'd easily get passed for a PG-13.

I personally felt LFODH was the best McClane has been since the first, Bruce himself even 4 years on refers to it as his favourite since the first. Vengeance always felt more forced to me with the hungover and racial stuff.

Not really. Alien in terms of gore is a light R film. In terms of atmosphere, who knows.

That's the gamble here. Assuming whatever new body horror can sustain a PG-13 rating, can we achieve the Lovecraftian atmosphere or will the MPAA say it's too much.

The first Alien had the rape overtones that in truth I never thought about until I got online to be honest. I think the atmosphere can be terrifying and still be PG-13, that is down to the skill of the director.

 

[The Morningstar]

I think it being Rated R would be better. Not to do with gore or language. But the tone. I want this to be a mind **** of a movie. A real psychologically horrifying experience.

I trust Scott though.

As for the title of the movie? Yea it's the name of the ship. But I think it also alludes to Fassbender's character. An advanced being (David is an android) steals something from the Space Jockeys/Engineers.

 

[Octoberist]

My concern is that any chestbursting scenes would be watered down if it was PG 13. Just like the first AvP.

 

[dark_b]

yes its true that if you make an expensive blockbuster like TDK that they will let you keep Two Face.but if there is something that MPAA hates its tone. no matter how expensive the movie is and no matter how the studio begs, the MPAA will give the movie a R rating if its to dark.
we know that the path to Prometheus was very long. remember that they started with a different movie? Prometheus was IMO written as a dark summer blockbuster. they will make it as a dark as possible with with PG13 in mind. IMO they had long conversations with MPAA to see what they can do for PG13.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

While I would prefer an R rating to keep inline with the rest of the franchise, I would trust Scott to still deliver a great film with a PG-13 rating as well.

I still want to know if that whole movie description is true, I read because I heard it was fake and thought it would make an amazing movie. If it is indeed the movie, I am dissappointed I spoiled myself but at the same time still excited to see it all transpire on the screen.

 

[Hunter Rider]

yes its true that if you make an expensive blockbuster like TDK that they will let you keep Two Face.but if there is something that MPAA hates its tone. no matter how expensive the movie is and no matter how the studio begs, the MPAA will give the movie a R rating if its to dark.
we know that the path to Prometheus was very long. remember that they started with a different movie? Prometheus was IMO written as a dark summer blockbuster. they will make it as a dark as possible with with PG13 in mind. IMO they had long conversations with MPAA to see what they can do for PG13.

Two Face wasn't the biggest deal, getting the scene passed where Joker holds a knife to Rachel's face with the clear intimation he is going to cut her was. Prometheus has a wider perimeter because it's dealing in pure fantasy with it's threat, much like how PJ got away with catapulting severed heads in ROTK.

 

[dark_b]

its not about normal violence IMO. this is not the problem here. the tone is important. long corridors and slow music. MPAA hates this.

 

[craigdbfan]

MPAA has the dumbest reasoning in what can tip the rating from PG-13 into R.

Logically its one of the most absurd things that films have to go through. A real useless guideline if you ask me.

 

[dark_b]

MPAA has the dumbest reasoning in what can tip the rating from PG-13 into R.

Logically its one of the most absurd things that films have to go through. A real useless guideline if you ask me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/

 

[cherokeesam]

Not really. Alien in terms of gore is a light R film. In terms of atmosphere, who knows.

That's the gamble here. Assuming whatever new body horror can sustain a PG-13 rating, can we achieve the Lovecraftian atmosphere or will the MPAA say it's too much.

R ratings are generally handed out for more than just gore. In fact, our blood-soaked culture is far more tolerant of gore than it is of sex, or even the *hint* of sex. Yes, there's something morally and psychologically effed up about that, but that's where society stands today.

While the chest burst and the exploding android are tame by today's gory standards, in 1979, those scenes were virtually unprecedented and horrifying. But even beyond that, the R rating came from frequent blue-collar cussin' and sexual innuendo. If Ridley released Alien in 2011 instead of 1979, the MPAA would still come back with an R, easily enough.

 

[chamber-music]

Tone and gore is what will most likely determine if Prometheus is a PG-13 or R rated movie.

In Europe the classification boards are more concerned with gore and violence than sex or nudity

 

[Secret Fawful]

I thought I read that Scott was shooting both PG-13 and R rated cuts of the film.

 

[akfj]

Yes, that's true.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

R ratings are generally handed out for more than just gore. In fact, our blood-soaked culture is far more tolerant of gore than it is of sex, or even the *hint* of sex. Yes, there's something morally and psychologically effed up about that, but that's where society stands today.

In American society mostly, it is a bit different in France.

 

[JakeSully]

Michael Fassbender tells us not to call Prometheus a prequel

While chatting with Reuters on promotion duties for his new film, the highly acclaimed ‘Shame’, Michael Fassbender yet again fielded a Prometheus question, and attempted – again – to clarify the film’s links with Alien:

Q: And next you’re starring as an android in Ridley Scott’s new sci-fi film, “Prometheus.”
A: “Right, but it’s not a prequel to ‘Alien’ like they’re saying. It has threads relating to that, but it’s a whole different world. It’s a slow-burner of a thriller, and we all had a blast doing it. It was an absolute joy working with Ridley. I kept pinching myself on set. And it’s great because if critics say, ‘Fassbender is very wooden in it,’ it won’t matter as I’m a robot.”
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[akfj]

This "it is a prequel"/"it's not a prequel" stuff is getting a little ridiculous.

 

[JakeSully]

so it's a whole different world...

 

[redhawk23]

I think I trust the word of people actually making the damn movie rather than movie bloggers and posters on the hype. I've thought it's been fairly clear from the beginning that while its "alien-esqe" that it is not an alien movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

They really need to stop this game.With Fox spending 100 Million on Prometheus they really need fans of ALien to be Intrested.And this game won't help them.

If It IS connected to ALien then It's a prequel.If not prequel It's not connected to Alien.If not connected to Alien they better start releasing more on this film If they want to
survive the summer.

If not connected to Alien they missed a golden opportunity here.I would like to know how this went from prequel to Alien to something else.

 

[craigdbfan]

I mean the space jockey is there so we know there will at least be some connection.

 

[Solidus]

Ya there was lots of shots of the ship, and the room the Space Jockey, including just so many similar things I think it easily connects to the Alien universe, but does not focus on the Alien itself.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yeah maybe the Xenomorphs aren't really all that central to the main story.

 

[akfj]

so it's a whole different world...

Damon Lindelof, the screenwriter, said it is the same world. So, take that for what it's worth.